比特币经济学 2 : 法律
比特币经济学：基于BitcoinSV的全新视角来重新构想世界经济格局 #
Recreating Economics based on Bitcoin : Reimagining the world economic landscape based on a new perspective of BitcoinSV #
CONTENTS (目录) #
比特币经济学 : 首页
比特币经济学 1 : 开讲
比特币经济学 2 : 法律
比特币经济学 3 : CSW
比特币经济学 4 : 法币崩溃
比特币经济学 5 : 核心概念定调
比特币经济学 6 : 经济危机 HOT !!!
比特币经济学 7 : 路径 HOT !!!
比特币经济学 8 : 万链归一
比特币经济学 9 : 产业区块链
比特币经济学 10 : 去中心化
比特币经济学 11 : 代际剥削
比特币经济学 12 : 族群矛盾
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Conversation : 2020.2.26 #
CHEER不舍:
btc会不会存在这个问题其实很简单，你想一下你希不希望有个一个不受监管的货币存在，如果是 那btc就会存在。如果bsv不受监管 我想随着科技进步，更廉价 大容量 更快的网络，个人要运行bsv全节点应该也是没问题的，这样才是完美的bsv。
The question of whether BTC will exist or not is very simple. If you think about it, do you want an unregulated currency to exist? If so, BTC will exist. If BSV is not regulated I think as technology advances, cheaper, larger, faster networks, it should be fine for individuals to run all the nodes of BSV, which is the perfect BSV.
然:
之所以拥抱政府，也或者是这个原因，聪哥想从出江湖，但没有任何办法向世人验明正身，只好靠法律的力量，然而要靠法律的力量，自己的产品就需要合法，政府和法律才原因站在聪哥这边，所以bsv才设计了这一堆拥抱政府接收监管的规则，至于不受监管的需求，匿名系或许更有优势
Embraced the government, or is this reason, our elder brother want to from the river’s lake, but there is no way we’re to the world, so we have to rely on the force of law, however, want to rely on the force of law, their products will need to be legal, the government and legal reasons on hearing brother side, so BSV to design a heap of embracing the government receiving regulatory rules, as for the demand of the unregulated, anonymous system may have more advantages
昊轩:
btc和bsv一样很容易被追踪监管。bsv拥抱监管，才能吸引新资金进场。币圈资金已经枯竭了，该割最大的韭菜btcer了。
BTC is as easy to track as BSV. Only by embracing regulation can BSV attract new capital into the market. Money has dried up. It’s time to cut the biggest leek btcer.
CHEER不舍:
我想是这样的，所以中本聪隐藏身份也是怕带来麻烦，这么不也证实中本聪区块链的初衷就是去中心化不受监管？被追踪也是某种意义上的说法吧，btc上缺少洗钱的吗，有谁被抓到了
I think so, so satoshi nakamoto concealing his identity is also afraid of causing trouble, so does not also confirm that the original intention of satoshi nakamoto blockchain is to decentralize and not be regulated? Being tracked is a way of saying, is there a lack of money laundering on BTC? Anybody caught
昊轩:
丝绸之路1.0 2.0。最大的洗钱货币是美元现金，并非btc
Silk road 1.0 2.0. The largest money laundering currency is us dollar cash, not BTC
CHEER不舍:
交易所被盗币都追不回来 你换美元试试
You can’t even get your stolen money back
昊轩:
盗币的都套现成法币了，为什么不换？大区块的规模效应，用户交易越多越快，隐私性越强。大隐隐于市。
Those who steal money are already set legal currency, why not change? With the scale effect of large blocks, the more transactions users make, the faster they will be, and the stronger the privacy will be. The city looms large.
CHEER不舍:
一个地址你的所有交易就一清二楚，哪来的隐私
One address for all your transactions is as clear as day, where privacy comes from
hslayj:
大概的意思，就是会把郁金香的钱砸BTC和BCH，BCH会很快生活不能自理，BTC明年年中的市值会很小,然后出售的资产主要置换BSV和USD
The general meaning is that the tulip money will be thrown at BTC and BCH, and BCH will soon become unable to take care of itself. The market value of BTC will be very small in the middle of next year, and then the assets sold will be mainly replaced by BSV and USD
金矿:
官司不是还没有打吗
Isn’t the lawsuit still pending
hslayj:
这算是行动前的市场公告吧，如果他不公告，可能在法律上构成操纵市场的罪名
It was a pre-action market announcement, and if he didn’t, it could be legally charged with market manipulation
金矿:
能确保赢吗
Are you sure to win
hslayj:
不能确保赢吧，就算输了，也有一半儿BTC，所有BCH和BSV
I’m not sure if I win, but if I lose, half of BTC, all BCH and BSV
金矿:
为啥输了也会有
Why lose also can have
hslayj:
法院上的东西，很多东西都很随机的，特别是陪审团制度，你不知道普通老百姓会怎么想
Things in the courts, a lot of things are very random, especially the jury system, you don’t know what ordinary people think
金矿:
从一万美元 跌到一百 那是怎样的天翻地覆
How did it go from $10,000 to $100
hslayj:
如果输了，就说明前期的财富，法院认为是Dave和他的共有财产，Dave那一部分就要给Ira作为Dave的遗产
If you lose, it’s going to be an early piece of wealth, and the court says it’s Dave and his joint property, and Dave’s share is going to be given to Ira as Dave’s estate
hslayj:
资金盘的逻辑就是一旦成交量远超日平均成交量，那么就会有暴涨和暴跌的逻辑
The logic of money dish is once the volume is far exceed daily average volume, then can have the logic of rise and fall
hslayj:
所以BSV想稳定，必须有足够的交易量，比如所有人都用BSV，那么全球交易量就成为了BSV的币价稳压器，BSV就不会暴涨暴跌了，而Btc想做数字黄金，只要有大量抛盘，一夜之间就可以砸回原形，因为没有足够交易量来消化卖盘
So if BSV is to be stable, there must be enough trading volume. For example, if everyone USES BSV, the global trading volume will become the currency price regulator of BSV. BSV will not rise and fall
金矿：
所以bsv 价格想到一万美金 可能还需要很久很久 还有不确定性
So it’s going to be a long time before BSV gets to $10,000 and there’s still uncertainty
hslayj:
区块链正名了，BSV也就万币归一一统江湖了，价格多少都无所谓了，因为只要是区块链应用，就只有BSV可以选择，这是类似于互联网那样的自然垄断，没有人能够扭转这个趋势
Block chain name, BSV is also ten thousand yuan to a unified river lake, the price is no matter, because as long as the block chain application, only BSV can choose, this is similar to the Internet as a natural monopoly, no one can reverse this trend
hslayj:
时间要多久这个取决于很多变量，确实不好预测，比如政治家的反应速度，大资本家的反应速度，普通投资人的反应速度，生态的成熟速度等等
How long it takes depends on a lot of variables, and it’s really hard to predict, like how fast politicians react, how fast big capitalists react, how fast ordinary investors react, how fast the ecology matures, and so on
林:
官司如果输了，法院判Dave那一部分就要给Ira，lra 也是会把他的那部分BTC抛售，一部分交遗产税，一部分付律师费，剩下的才是他自己的钱，所以不论谁拿到这些BTC，最后的结果都是要抛售变现
If the case is lost, the court decides that Dave’s part should be given to Ira, and lra will also sell off his part of BTC, part of which is to pay inheritance tax, part of which is to pay the lawyer’s fees, and the rest is his own money. Therefore, whoever gets these BTC, the final result is to sell off and turn into cash
hslayj:
是的，美国的遗产税很高，40%以上都要缴税，所以Ira拿了钱也要砸盘BTC
Yes, the estate tax in the United States is very high, over 40% is taxed, so if you take the money from the Ira, you’re going to have to break the BTC
hslayj:
匿名和隐私是不一样的，隐私代表的你的交易对手能知道你是谁，当你做了违法犯罪的事情后，你的对手能把交易记录作为法律凭证递交给法院，但是其他人是看不到这个交易的。匿名代表的是，即使你的交易对手也不知道你是谁，你可以对你的财产和其他人的财产为所欲为，这就会导致非常多的犯罪问题。所以数字货币一旦设计为匿名，就是违法，设计为隐私，就没事。
Anonymity is not the same as privacy. Privacy means that your counterparty can know who you are. When you do something illegal and criminal, your counterparty can submit the transaction record to the court as legal proof. Anonymity means that even if your counterparty doesn’t know who you are, you can do whatever you want with your property and other people’s property, which leads to a lot of criminal problems. So once a digital currency is designed to be anonymous, it’s illegal, it’s designed to be private, and it’s fine.
hslayj:
比如丢密钥这个问题，匿名币是无解的，而BSv其实就有解决方案
For example, in the case of key loss, anonymous currency has no solution, while BSv actually has a solution
hslayj:
对的，而且最先反应过来的很有可能就是那些曾经抹黑CSW的大V，受害的都是那些渠道信息不通的普通投资者。几百万BTC的跟风盘一旦砸出来，那市场就没救了
That’s right, and the first to react is likely to be the big vs that have been tarnishing CSW at the hands of ordinary investors with poor access to information. Once a multimillion-btc copycat offer is thrown out, the market is doomed
金矿:
bsv的成长一定过通过砸btc来实现么
The growth of BSV must be achieved by smashing BTC
hslayj:
所以才说除了BSV以外，都是人血馒头，被庄家割、被大V割，人们甚至根本没有这个觉悟。
So just say besides BSV outside, it is person blood steamed bun, be cut by banker, be cut by big V, people do not even have this consciousness at all.
hslayj:
砸掉ＢＴＣ只是给ｂｓｖ正名而已，算是前进路途的第一步吧，然后是万币归一、万链归一，最后成为唯一的时间信用账本区块链，最后再来改造人类文明
To destroy BTC is just to correct the name of BSV, it is the first step on the road, and then it is to return to one, return to one chain, and finally become the only time credit ledger block chain, finally to transform human civilization
金矿:
最近可能是因为我接触bsv 然后关注了几个微博 都是在砸btc 突然给人一种bsv没格局的感觉
Recently, it may be because I came into contact with BSV and followed several microblogs, all of which were to smash BTC, which suddenly gave people a feeling that BSV had no pattern
hslayj:
哈哈，ＢＳＶｅｒ很多人都继承了ＣＳＷ那种反抗性，因为ＢＴＣ对ＣＳＷ做了太多太多超越底线的事情了，我能理解ＣＳＷ那种想要毁掉ＢＴＣ的心里，比如你被人抢了孩子，然后还被人贩子污蔑为人贩子，你肯定也是恨的牙痒痒吧
Haha, many people in BSVer have inherited CSW’s resistance, because BTC has done too many things to CSW beyond the bottom line. I can understand CSW’s desire to destroy BTC. For example, you are robbed of your child and then stigmatised as a human trafficked person
林:
就像去古玩市场花高价买了个赝品，你不能把自己的失误怪到正品一样，自己要为自己的认知错误买单，怪不得别人。
It’s like going to the antique market and buying a fake at a high price. You can’t blame the original for your mistakes.
hslayj:
而且在ｂｓｖ的理论里面，区块链是一个归零或者归一的系统，要么一统江湖，要么一文不值，所以这种竞争性注定了两种思维是天然相冲，水火不容的
Moreover, in BSV’s theory, blockchain is a zeroing system or a zeroing system, which either unifies all rivers and lakes or is worthless. Therefore, this kind of competition determines that the two kinds of thinking are mutually exclusive
hslayj:
无政府主义 这种思潮，放到社会层面是有很大问题的，诚然政府有很多问题，但是如果没有政府，问题会更大，比如没有政府，就没有人会去管穷人，穷人的怒火会用暴力焚烧掉所有成果，共产主义革命就是先例。如果没有政府，社会的最基本暴力都无法压制，你可能出门就会被人抢，而抢劫犯没人会去抓他。最重要的是，如果没有政府，一个社会就无法形成足够的暴力机器去抵御外界的暴力入侵，在人类彻底降伏暴力之前，政府是必须要有的
Anarchism is a very big problem on the social level, of course the government has a lot of problems, but if there is no government, the problem will be bigger, for example, without the government, no one will take care of the poor, the anger of the poor will use violence to burn all the results, the communist revolution is a precedent. If there is no government, the most basic violence in society cannot be suppressed, you may go out and be robbed, and no one will catch the robber. Above all, if there is no government, a society cannot form enough violent machines to resist the violent invasion from the outside world
hslayj:
所以对于所有建设者来说，问题是怎么让政府干更多的好事，少干坏事和没用的事，而不是说彻底没有政府，这种思维会非常危险，没有规则的社会会是所有人的坟墓，每个人都生活在黑暗丛林中，猜疑链和不信任，使得人们根本无法形成最基本的合作
So for all builders, the question is how to make the government to do more good, less do bad things and useless things, rather than say completely without a government, this kind of thinking is very dangerous, no rules of society is the tomb of all people, everyone living in the dark jungle, chain of suspicion and mistrust, make people can not form the basic cooperation
hslayj:
而要降伏暴力，诚实的工具可能是最有用的，当所有不法勾当，都能被永久记录的时候，人们自己就会规范自己的行为，政府中的所有行为也会被舆论得到最大的监督，阳光是政府最好的防腐剂，当一些政权在明目张胆的使用暴力时，透明的账本会让所有人看到这种行为，然后人们会从这个政权手里抽走所有能够抽走的资产，这样的政权也就没有养分了，所以理解区块链带来的信用世界才能真正的优化政府行为，而不是像ＢＴＣ那样倡导纯粹的无政府主义，丢个私钥就是世界末日
To subdue violence, honesty is probably the most useful tools, illegal business deals, when all can be permanent record, it will regulate their own behavior, the government of all the behavior will be the supervision of public opinion to get the biggest, the sun is the best preservative government, when some regime in blatant use violence, transparent books can let all people see this kind of behavior, and then people will all can take away from this regime hand, out of the regime there would be no nutrients, so the credit world can truly understand block chain optimization of government behavior, Instead of advocating pure anarchism like the BTC, losing one’s private key is the end of the world
hslayj:
政府其实主要面对的是效率问题和权力约束问题，这两个问题处理好了，很多政府问题就迎刃而解了。而这两个问题其实也是区块链可能可以改进的问题。
As a matter of fact, the government mainly faces the problems of efficiency and power constraint. If these two problems are dealt with well, many government problems will be solved readily. And these two problems are actually blockchain can be improved.
hslayj:
ＣＳＷ的官司理论上７月应该有结果，美国法院是公开进度的
CSW’s case is supposed to be resolved by July, and American courts are open to progress
hslayj:
ＢＳＶ回滚的问题，根本不叫区块回滚，而叫做区块重组，是一种设计理念，意思就是如果有两个块同时打包了，那么长的链胜出，短的链的那个区块就不作数了，那个区块上面的所有交易会被重新放到内存池中，在后面进行打包，这种区块重组本来就是设计的一部分，不会带来交易丢失，顶多是上链时间推迟几个区块而已，ＢＳＶ是零确认验证，上链时间的问题其实类似于银行几个月一次的清算过程，并不影响实际的交易，不知道这个答案满意不
BSV rollback problem, don’t call block rollback, which is called block restructuring, is a kind of design concept, which means that if there are two piece of packaging at the same time, such a long chain to win, a short chain of the block is not count, the block above all fair was back into the memory in the pool, at the back of packaging, this kind of block restructuring are essentially part of the design, will not bring trading loss, at most is on the chain of time delay a few blocks, validating BSV is zero, the chain of time is similar to a bank for a few months a liquidation process, does not affect the actual transactions, don’t know the answer is not satisfied
hslayj:
另外算力不是由矿工决定的，矿工是要挣钱的，挖谁挣钱就算谁，算力是直接由数字货币的市场价格决定的，谁的价格高，谁的算力就高，目前算力最高的是ｂｔｃ，然后才是ｂｃｈ，最后是ｂｓｖ，因为市场价格是这么排列的，等到市场价格反转了，矿工是最现实的一批人，会很快转到挣钱的价格高的链上来，这就是算力的问题
In addition to calculate force is not determined by the miners, miners is to earn money, dig who earn money even, calculate the force is directly determined by the market price of the digital currency, whose price is high, whose work force is high, the highest is BTC is force, and then the BCH, finally the BSV, because the market price is so arranged, wait for the market price reversal, miners are the most realistic a batch of people, will soon turn to earn the chain with high price, it is force
hslayj:
减半行情没有开始，４月份减半，目前只是市场的前期预热，减半行的大头应该从今年下半年的产量减少的后续市场反应中反馈出来，到明年达到高峰，起码这是上一轮ＢＴＣ的走势逻辑
Half of the market did not start, half in April, is only the early preheating of the market, half of the line should be from the output reduction in the second half of the follow-up market feedback, to peak next year, at least this is the last round of BTC trend logic
铠恺凯:
BSV我觉得已经涨了很多了
BSV has gone up a lot, I think
hslayj:
是的，一月才翻番，短期价格已经很给力了，不过相对于他要做的事情来说，这只是刚刚开始，就好像１３年的ｂｔｃ一样
Yes, it only doubled in January, and the short-term price is already very awesome, but relative to what he’s going to do, this is just the beginning, like BTC in year 13
hslayj:
ｂｔｃ２０１０年的时候从３０美金跌倒１美金了，回过头来看，你觉得当时ｂｔｃ没价值么，就是这个意思，我相信如果当初３０美金买入ｂｔｃ的人当时肯定很后悔，但是如果真的拿到了今天，已经是比特币巨头了
In 2010, btcwent from $30 to $1. Looking back, do you think BTC was worthless at that time? That’s what I mean
hslayj:
短期价格是由短期市场上资金量最充沛的人决定的，这也是为什么资金盘那么容易被庄家操控的原因。
Short-term prices are determined by those with the most money in the short-term market, which is why the money table is so easy to manipulate.
hslayj:
但是长期来看，一个资产的长期价格是必定围绕着他的真实价值上下波动的，要想长期有价值，一个东西必须对这个世界有真实的贡献和用途
But in the long run, the long term price of an asset must rise and fall around its true value
hslayj:
ＢＳＶ的激进扩容是因为要成为全世界的信用数据库，包容所有的区块链应用产业，最终完成万链归一，这是让比特币成为区块链生态的必由之路，你只有有土地，才可能长树木花草，然后才会来牛羊虎豹，这才能称之为生态，而ＢＣＨ很显然没有理解这一点。
BSV because to become the world’s credit expansion and radical of database, application industry chain, inclusive of all blocks eventually finish, belong to a chain that is the only way to make the currency block ecological chain, you only have land, just may grow trees flowers and plants, then we will to cattle and sheep butch, this can be called ecological, BCH apparently did not understand this.
hslayj:
牛市都是起源于争论，结束于统一，当当家都认为ＢＳＶ很牛了，可能ＢＳＶ的牛市行情就结束了，就好像大家都知道阿里和腾讯很牛，但是他的市值已经很高了，你真的还敢投资么
Bull market is originated from the debate, the end of the unity, when the masters think BSV is very good, maybe the bull market of BSV is over, as if everyone knows that ali and tencent are very good, but his market value has been very high, you really dare to invest
hslayj:
其实当初阿里被骂的最凶的时候，也是阿里股票起势的时候，都觉得牛了，都坐里面赚钱，谁来推高价格呢。
In fact, at the beginning of ali was scolded the most vicious time, is also the rise of ali stock, all feel cattle, all sit inside to make money, who will push up the price.
铠恺凯:
现在大家只觉得bsv有人拉盘，所以进来了。把bsv当投机产品看，不管bsv以后多久，至少现在是跌的，我螚低价买bsV我很高兴
Now everyone just thinks that BSV has a pull, so it comes in. BSV when speculative products look, no matter how long BSV after, at least now is down, I can not buy BSV at a low price I am very happy
昊轩:
大佬都是长期持有的庄，像中本聪、CA，拿十年以上
Big shots are long-term holdings of zhuang, such as satoshi nakamoto, CA, take more than 10 years
hslayj:
ＣＳＷ为什么要去跟大家说他的买卖手法，买什么卖什么，就怕被人们当作是庄，然后面临法律困境，所以哪怕牺牲点钱，只要法律上没问题，钱只是个数字而已
Why does CSW want to tell everyone about his trading methods, what he buys and sells, for fear of being regarded as a farm by people, and then facing legal difficulties, so even if he sacrifices some money, as long as there is no problem in the law, the money is just a number
hslayj:
只要做好事前纰漏，就不能算是庄，只能算是体量大的投资者而已
As long as good beforehand mistakes, can not be a zhuang, can only be a large volume of investors
金矿:
bsv存哪里安全
Where is BSV safe
hslayj:
https://www.bsvso.com/wallet
hslayj:
投资是个人决策，要有短期内的亏损心里准备，而且ｂｓｖ也有政治风险，不是完全能成的，要有风险意识，不要放群里说，你赚了亏了都是自己的，这个意识要非常清楚
Investment is a personal decision, to be prepared for losses in the short term, and BSV also has political risk, not completely can be, to have a sense of risk, do not put in the group, you make losses are their own, this awareness should be very clear
hslayj:
最好不要放交易所，交易所可能会面临挤兑风险，而且国内法律触达不了，你有问题了，你找不到人的，这也是匿名币的最大问题
It is best not to put the exchange, the exchange may face the risk of a run, and the domestic law can not reach, you have a problem, you can not find people, which is the biggest problem of anonymous currency
铠恺凯:
@hslayj bsv怎么查地址余额呢？交易所账户有多少bsv应该查的到吧
How does @hslayj BSV check the address balance? Exchange account how many BSV should check it
hslayj:
实名制出来之前，完全安全是做不到的，所以自己权衡风险吧，有些钱包可以生成断网离线冷钱包，相对安全度高一些
Before the real-name system, complete security is not done, so their own balance of risk, some wallets can be generated offline offline cold wallet, relatively high degree of security
然:
@hslayj bsv拥抱政府，接收监管，政治风险会是什么？
Hslayj BSV embrace government, accept regulation, what is political risk?
hslayj:
目前国内好像不能合法买卖吧，这就是政治风险
At present, it seems that there is no legal sale in China, which is political risk
铠恺凯:
比如刚才我发的一个地址有5000万eos。就是火币的提币地址。bsv是药学习。但是查账转账这种基础东西也不是很难吧。
Let’s say I just sent you an address with 50 million eos. It is the withdrawal address of the fire coin. BSV is medicine learning. But the basic things like auditing and transferring aren’t that hard.
铠恺凯:
不管是bsv 和shitcoin 转出转入还不是都要通过地址来转？
Whether BSV and shitcoin are transferred out or in, they all need to be transferred through the address.
aaron67:
「 hslayj: 目前国内好像不能合法买卖吧，这就是政治风险 」
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国内个人买卖完全合法无风险
“Hslayj: it seems that there is no legal sale in the country at present. That is political risk.”
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Domestic individual trading is completely legal without risk
hslayj:
国内貌似是不让交易，但是可以持有，交易是可能被封账号的
Domestic seems not to let the transaction, but can hold, the transaction is likely to be blocked account
hslayj:
之前微信和支付宝不是说虚拟币买卖会被封号么
Before WeChat and pay treasure isn’t to say fictitious money business can be blocked number
hslayj:
这就和改革开放初期一样，那时候做生意叫投机倒把、二道贩子，现在叫企业家、创业者，政府对新生事物向来接受起来是慢半拍的，所以要等实名制出来以后，ＢＳＶ各方面都得到政府许可了，那时候才是大放异彩的时候，现在各个国家的政策都不明朗，政治风险还是有的，所以不能只看利润，不看风险
It just like the early reform and opening up, then called speculation, and two-way merchants doing business, now called entrepreneurs, entrepreneurs, government up to accept new things always is slower, so want to wait for the system, BSV everything get government permission, that time is shine, the policy of each country are not clear now, there is some political risk, so can’t consider profit, don’t look at risk
然:
我能这么理解么，bsv接受监管，不抗审查
Can I understand that? BSV is regulated, not censored
hslayj:
可以这么理解，ＢＳＶ会让整个区块链产业都正规化，接受监管和审查是第一步。只有法院可以冻结账户甚至可以逆转交易，密钥丢失才不会成为灾难。到那个时候，密钥丢失就和丢个银行卡差不多，你再去补办一个就行了
It is understood that BSV will formalize the entire blockchain industry, and that acceptance of regulation and review is the first step. Only if the court can freeze the account or even reverse the transaction can the key loss not be a disaster. At that time, the key loss is like losing a bank card, you go to replace a line
hslayj:
过程肯定是曲折的，有各种各样的众生相也不奇怪，真实世界就是这样的，起码ｂｓｖ是诚实的，他不会告诉你没有风险，也不会告诉你永远涨，而所有其他资产都是建立在谎言之上的，这个区别是决定性的，只有有长久建设意愿的人才会关注长久，很多投机者只是想要赚一票就跑
Process must be twists and turns, there are a variety of mixed feelings also not strange, this is done in the real world, at least BSV is honest, he won’t tell you without risk, also won’t tell you forever, and all other assets are based on lies, this distinction is decisive, only a person with a long construction will pay attention for a long time, many speculators just want to make a change
昊轩：
韭菜迟早被割死，资金枯竭币圈完蛋
The leek is cut to death sooner or later, capital dried up coinage ring is finished
hslayj:
是的，你不能指望赌徒来改变世界，事实情况是，最后的结果很可能是赌徒和无政府主义者资助ＢＳＶ建设者，从而改变世界，是不是很讽刺？
Yes, you can’t expect gamblers to change the world, the truth is, the end result is probably gamblers and anarchists funding BSV builders to change the world, isn’t it ironic?
昊轩:
合约收割资金太厉害了，市场上涨还是需要资金推动的。bsver头最铁，都不卖，割合约多头比较安全。
The contract harvest is so severe that the market still needs to be driven by capital. Bsver head is the most iron, do not sell, cut the contract more safe.
hslayj:
目前的市场行情，应该是ｃｏｉｎｇｅｅｋ大会的做多爆仓单，没有成交量，瀑布跳水。可能很多人用了杠杆来赌ｃｏｉｎｇｅｅｋ大会会有很大的市场影响和涨幅
The current market situation, should be coingeek conference to do a long burst warehouse bill, no turnover, waterfall diving. Many may have used leverage to bet that the coingeek conference would have a big market impact and rise
hslayj:
结果期待落空了，多头杠杆就成了空头爆仓了，这也是为什么不要用杠杆的原因，随便一个蝴蝶翅膀就可以刮来大风，伤害到把命运交到市场手里的短期投资人。
When expectations are dashed, long leverage becomes short, which is why you shouldn’t use it. Just one butterfly wing can blow the wind and hurt short-term investors who put their fate in the hands of the market.
清风徐来:
我在的一个收费群里，群主说话很中肯，每次都很耐心劝大家不要短线，不要碰杠杆，长期持有自己手中的主流币就好，但说到BSV的时候经常说BSV是瘟币，微博里也会这样说，让大家不要碰BSV，说明现在很多大V以及这种主流能听到的声音其实也是有限的
I in charge a group, group manager speak very sincere, always patiently advise everyone not short-term, don’t touch the lever, it is good to hold their mainstream currency for a long time, but when it comes to BSV often said BSV is wen COINS, also can say so, weibo let everyone don’t touch the BSV, that now many big V and the mainstream sound actually is limited
hslayj:
理解ＢＳＶ不容易的，当初我从ＢＴＣ转过来的时候是吓得一身冷汗的，要理解ＢＳＶ是需要系统学习ＣＳＷ关于区块链的所有论述的，然后再结合目前的区块链产业形式，这种转变非常艰难，特别对于很多先入为主的人来说尤其如此
It is not easy to understand BSV, when I transferred from BTC, I was in a cold sweat with fear. To understand BSV, I need to systematically learn all the CSW’s discussion about block chain, and then combine it with the current form of block chain industry. This transformation is very difficult, especially for many people with preconceptions
hslayj:
去年ＢＳＶ成功扩容的时候，很多人之前说扩容不可能，去年是超星体升级，升到２Ｇ上限，当时感觉就不对了，不是说好的扩容很难的么，然后就开始研究ｃｓｗ的著作。一研究就发现，ＢＴＣ什么都对，但是遇到ＢＳＶ就什么都不是了，了解的越多，越淡定，越能看透市场的沧海桑田，而不是被情绪左右成为韭菜。基本投资数字货币的，都是对法币通胀深恶痛绝的人
When BSV was successfully expanded last year, many people said before that expansion was impossible. Last year, it was the superstar upgrade, which reached the 2G limit. At that time, it felt wrong. A study found that BTC what is right, but encounter BSV what is not, the more understanding, the more calm, the more can see through the vicissitudes of the market, instead of being emotional become leeks. The basic investors in digital currencies are people who hate fiat inflation
hslayj:
我最愤怒的其实不是路线之争，路线之争其实可以各自尝试，我最愤怒的是发现除了ＢＳＶ，其他人都在撒谎，并且都在诋毁真正的原创者中本聪博士。
My angriest thing is not the line fight, the line fight can be their own attempt, my angriest thing is that everyone except BSV is lying and discrediting the real originator, Dr. Satoshi nakamoto.
清风徐来:
现实版基督山伯爵
The count of monte cristo in action
hslayj:
只需要知道除了ＢＳＶ没有比特币也没有区块链，而很多国家已经把区块链放入国家战略，所以ＢＳＶ肯定有一搏的机会。
Just know that there is no bitcoin or blockchain except BSV, and many countries have put blockchain into their national strategies, so BSV must have a fighting chance.
CHEER不舍:
不管是钱包还是交易所 eth能做到为什么bsv不可以，这就是你的短板
Whether it’s wallet or eth, why not BSV, that’s your weakness
hslayj:
钱包如果不带ｓｐｖ验证，那就是ｂｔｃ那一套上链验证，上链验证有的交易所是要求３０个以上区块的，那都要５个小时了
If the wallet does not carry SPV verification, that is the set of BTC on the chain verification, on the chain verification some exchanges are required to more than 30 blocks, that will take 5 hours
CHEER不舍:
诶我也是希望bsv能更好 发现问题解决问题
I also hope BSV can better identify problems and solve them
hslayj:
生态早期就是这样的，什么都还欠缺，渠道也不宽，长得生态也不全，开发者素质也良莠不齐，这都是生态的前期特点
The early stage of ecology is such, what is still lacking, the channel is not wide, the ecosystem is not complete, the quality of developers are intermingled, this is the early characteristics of ecology
hslayj:
但是如果没有这个生态，２０年后，就没有信用数据上链带来的大额手续费，矿工就得饿死，区块链就完蛋了，这也是为什么需要花这么大力气来做区块链生态，因为只有生态起来了，才有不可替代性和永续性，也只有真正的父母，才关心这些问题。
But without the ecological, 20 years later, there is no credit data in the chain of large fees, the miners have to starve to death, block chain was ended, and this is why it takes so much effort to block chain ecology, ecological, because only just have irreplaceability and sustainability, and only real parents, didn’t care about these problems.
hslayj:
马云不是说么，今天很残酷，明天也很残酷，后天很美好，大多数死在明天晚上，这就是典型的生态型平台思维。Roger都变了，bch的底层逻辑就难以自圆其说了，bch的逻辑就是互联网产品逻辑，小步快跑，快速迭代，做产品可以，做生态就不行了
Ma yun didn’t say, today is very cruel, tomorrow is also very cruel, the day after tomorrow is very beautiful, most die in the night of tomorrow, this is a typical ecological platform thinking. Roger has changed, and the underlying logic of BCH is hard to justify. The logic of BCH is the logic of Internet products
清风徐来:
每个币精神领袖的观点能影响其追随者，会有越来越多的人走上研究BSV的道路
The views of each spiritual leader can influence his followers, and more and more people will study BSV
hslayj:
是的，专利墙保证了路径的合法性和排他性，等到大家都回过味来了，基本就难以抄袭了。要想合法合规的疯狂生长，也不容易，政治环境在生态长成之前，是个很大的考验
Yes, the patent wall guarantees the legality and exclusivity of the path, and when everyone gets back to it, it’s basically hard to copy. It is not easy to grow into a legal frenzy, and the political environment is a big test before the ecology grows
清风徐来:
咱们群有一直看好BTC以及其他主流币，且长线做投资，但还未真正了解过BSV的群友，对于BSV的认知在大涨大跌和博士是骗子的消息面上，让这些群友从哪里开始着手改变对BSV的认知观念呢？他们也是在股市以及主流货币经过浪潮的理性投资者。
Our group has been optimistic about BTC and other mainstream currency, and long-term investment, but have not really known BSV group friends, BSV on the rise and fall and the doctor is a fraud on the news, let these friends start to change the cognitive concept of BSV? They are also rational investors in the stock market as well as in mainstream currencies after a wave.
hslayj:
要改变一个人的刻板印象是很难的，如果不是信任关系很铁的人，一般很难说服他，只有等价格的翻倍甚至指数级变迁能够让理性的投资者重新审视自己的投资框架。如果是信任关系很铁的人，他愿意听你说话，其实可以从扩容说起，从BTC的谎言和漏洞说起，最后让他看看中本聪四年以来的博客更新，只要这扇门打开了，谁是真中本聪是一目了然的。
It’s hard to change a person’s stereotype, and it’s often hard to convince someone if you don’t trust them. Only a doubling of prices or even an exponential shift can make a rational investor rethink his or her investment framework. If you trust someone with a strong relationship and he is willing to listen to you, you can actually start with the expansion, start with the lies and loopholes of BTC, and finally show him the blog updates of satoshi nakamoto in the past four years. Once the door is opened, it is clear who the real satoshi nakamoto is.
邱少賢:
@清风徐来 我一般推荐从 https://metanet.press 看起
I generally recommend starting at https://metanet.press
hslayj:
是的，邱少是骷髅群群主，大家觉得知识够了，可以找邱少申请加入骷髅群，里面很多大牛，包括现在的BSV创业先驱
Yes, qiu shao is the skull group master, we feel that knowledge is enough, can find qiu shao to apply to join the skull group, which is a lot of cattle, including the BSV business pioneer
清风徐来:
嗯嗯，我了解咱们群的一些群友，他们这些年在投资方面多数是有追随者的，但在对待BSV的态度上目前来讲是模糊的，所以我们认真的布道，我觉得应该想想，如何让这些想投资BSV的人先放下刻板印象，改变观念。
Well, I know some of our group friends, and most of them have had followers in terms of investing over the years, but their attitude towards BSV is vague at the moment, so we’re going to be serious about preaching, and I think we should think about how to get people who want to invest in BSV to put down their stereotypes and change their minds.
金矿：
说俗气一点 想让一些改变印象 bsv 最起码要到1000
To be tacky, you need to get at least 1000 BSV to change the impression
hslayj:
对的，价格是最好的说明书，因为投资最重要的反馈其实是真实世界的反馈。狮子从来不关心羊群的想法，只会在饿了的时候吃掉他们~BSV的任务不是说服那些中立者，而是用事实来赢得所有人的跟随
Right, price is the best guide, because the most important feedback on investing is actually the feedback of the real world. The lion never CARES what the sheep think and will only eat them when he is hungry. BSV’s task is not to persuade the neutral, but to win everyone’s follow with the facts
hslayj:
自己的逻辑自洽最重要，别人怎么想其实没那么重要，等到时机到了，自然会主动来了解真相，那个时候BSV的逻辑体系只要是坚实值得推敲的，自然而然就可以领导和带领他们
Self-consistency of their own logic is the most important, what others think is not so important, when the time comes, naturally will take the initiative to understand the truth, at that time, as long as the BSV’s logical system is solid worthy of scrutiny, naturally can lead and lead them
hslayj:
BSV是一个类似互联网的理论体系，学习起来还是有很多任务的，学习动机没有建立起来，人们是不会沉下心来看文档的，而这个学习动机一定是建立在对BSV的基础信任上的，这种信任并不容易来，我当初是因为觉得扩容成功这个问题让我开始怀疑当初那些说链上扩容不可能的人是骗子，然后再加上当时看了几篇Core的采访，觉得格局有点小还老说蠢话，带着一些疑惑读的CSW博客，然后建立起比较全面的信任，最后才开始全方面学习的
BSV is a similar to the theoretical system of the Internet to learn up to still have a lot of tasks, learning motivation is not established, people are not focused view of the document, and the learning motivation must be based on the BSV based on trust, this trust is not easy, because I think expanded successfully the problem let I began to doubt the people who say expansion in the chain of impossible is a liar, then add the watch the interview, a few Core thought pattern is a little small old saying stupid things, also with some doubt read CSW blog, then establish a comprehensive trust, then start to all aspects of learning
Harris:
短期价格波动对坚定者来说无任何意义，目的是是让投机者离场。
Short-term price fluctuations mean nothing to the stalwarts, and are designed to drive speculators out of the market.
hslayj:
是的，所以BSVer最重要的任务其实是学习，去构想那个还不存在于真实世界，却最终会来的价值互联网
Yes, so BSVer’s most important task is really to learn, to conceive the value of the Internet that doesn’t yet exist in the real world, but will eventually come
hslayj:
目前来说，简单的互联网应用移植bsv不一定能够有市场，因为基础设施目前没法和互联网比，BSV目前还有上链成本，BSV的特点是突出信用数据和价值数据，如果一个应用能凸显这方面的价值，可能爆发的可能性就比较大了，比如之前那个unisot的企业erp数据，tokenized的通证化数据，还有病例上链和药品上链。
Currently, Internet application transplant BSV of simply will not be able to have the market, now can’t and the Internet, rather than because of infrastructure, BSV currently on chain cost, and the characteristics of the BSV are prominent credit data and value, if an application can highlight this aspect of the value of potential possibility is big, such as before the unisot enterprise erp data, tokenized pass card data, and cases on the chain and medicine on chain.
Conversation : 2020.2.27 ~ 3.2 #
hslayj:
https://svskull.club/ 是骷髅会的聊天记录页面，我平常会在里面讨论BSV，有兴趣的可以看下，鼓励大家学习到一定地步可以申请进入骷髅会，里面有很多很有想法的BSVer，如果平常有关于BSV的疑问，也可以在这个群里分享和讨论，没有反馈有时候也不知道应该说些什么，或者大家对哪方面感兴趣。
https://svskull.club/ is the skeleton will chat page, I will discuss in BSV usually, interested can look at, to encourage everybody to learn to a certain extent can apply into the skull and bones, there are many very thoughtful BSVer, if you have any questions about BSV, ordinary also can be Shared and discussed in this group, there is no feedback sometimes also don’t know what to say, or you are interested in what aspects.
hslayj:
BSV目前还是一个高风险高回报的投资标的，要有投资的风险防范意识，之前说的那些都是宏观战略层面的解读，但是短期到底会怎么走，其实还是由少数大户的持仓思维决定的，谁也控制不了
At present, BSV is still a high-risk investment with high return, we should have the awareness of investment risk prevention, those said before are macro strategic level of interpretation, but how will the short run, in fact, or by a few large holdings of thinking, who also can’t control
hslayj:
风险还是有的，BSV的逻辑是万链归一，也就是说他第一步需要干掉BTC、BCH，第二部要做到万币归一，干掉山寨币，第三部需要做到万链归一，让所有区块链都臣服主链BSV，最后还要改造全世界的政治、经济结构，所有这些都成功了，BSV才能称之为成功，任何一环出了问题，都有可能走弯路，乐观是好的，但是投资市场除了要关注远方的风景意外，最重要的还是脚下的一步一步是如何走出来的，对于BSV来说，每一步都是有很多挑战的。
There is some risk, the BSV logic is belong to a chain, that is to say the first step he kill BTC, BCH, need a second to do money unto one, kill the counterfeit currency, chain unto a third have to do, let all the blocks in the main chain of the chain have succumbed BSV, finally also transform the world’s political, economic structure, all of which are successful, BSV can call is successful, any ring out of the question, may be delayed, optimism is good, but the investment market in addition to focus on distant scenery, the most important still is at the foot of the step by step how to come out, for BSV, Each step has its challenges.
昊轩:
在西方，资本决定政治。
In the west, capital determines politics.
然:
是的，万链归一想法是好，这需要人类文明达到空前的高度，也或许就是马克思的共产主义，
Yes, the idea of a one-size-fits all is a good one, which requires an unprecedented level of human civilization, or maybe Marx’s communism,
hslayj:
区块链是一个归零或者归一的系统，要么万链归一，要么万链枯萎，因为补贴是随着时间递减的，本身的生态如果发生不了作用这条链就会死，而网络效应决定了区块链领域的赢家通吃逻辑，发展到最后，大链会吃掉小链，而BTC和BCH甚至没有给吃小链留下空间和可能性。BSV最大的风险其实不在币圈，而是政治扼杀的可能性。
Chain block is a zero or to a system or belong to a chain, or wither chain, because subsidies is diminishing over time, ecological if there is not a role of the chain will die, and the network effect determines the block chain winner-take-all logic, in the field of development in the end, big chain will eat the small chain, while the BTC and BCH even without space and possibility to eat small chain. The biggest risk for BSV is not the currency, but the possibility of political strangulation.
昊轩:
黄金市值8万亿美元，美帝尚能操纵于手掌之间。bsv市值50亿，更容易掌握定价权，提供冰火两重天一条龙服务。蚂蚁成长100倍之后，才能吸引巨人注意。
With a market value of $8 trillion, gold is still within the palm of its hand. BSV, with a market value of $5 billion, has more pricing power and offers a combination of fire and ice. Ants have to grow 100 times before they can attract the attention of giants.
然:
是的，政治风险最大，而且bsv把一切错误交给法律，而不是最大限度的从技术上解决程序问题，而法律不外呼人情，这里我觉得有点不妥，尽管bsv不可篡改的计算无需共识化得清奇思路很有特点。另外，说实话，跨链不仅仅是跨链，当所有链都在某卡时，同时又把比特以太纳入其中，又何尝不是万链归一，路劲不同而已[调皮]。我尽量不宣传其他项目，其次，另外有些链从技术底层角度突破性能的现状，不仅兼顾性能扩展，安全性或许说是程序错误性也得到兼顾，同时也在走合法合规线路，同时也在吸收跨链思维。大有当年攻占柏林之势，各自分别从多个方向向加密世界发起猛攻，看谁快！
Yes, the political risk is greatest, and BSV leaves all errors to the law, not to the maximum extent possible to solve procedural problems technically, and the law calls for no favours, which I think is a bit inappropriate here, although BSV’s untamable calculations are characteristically unconsensual. In addition, to tell the truth, cross chain is not just cross chain, when all the chains are in a card, and at the same time the bit ether included in it, and it is not all chain, the road is different [naughty]. I try not to publicize other projects. Secondly, some chains break through the status quo of performance from the perspective of the underlying technology. They not only take into account the performance expansion, but also the security, perhaps, the program error. There is a strong trend to capture Berlin, each from multiple directions to the encryption of the world launched a storm, see who fast!
hslayj:
交给法律是没问题的，整个人类社会都是建立在法制基础上才有共同规则可言。自然法是在文明中生长出来的对于各类情况的统一认识，并且本身也具备可进化性和可适应性，纯粹的技术解决不了所有问题，比如一把枪在脑袋边上的时候，什么技术都是不好使的。
It is ok to hand over the law, the whole human society is built on the basis of the rule of law to have common rules to speak of. Natural law is a unified understanding of various situations developed in civilization, and it is itself evolutionable and adaptable. Pure technology cannot solve all problems.
hslayj:
跨链逻辑的最大问题不是跨链技术是否成熟，而是跨链本身就是一个悖论，因为整个跨链生态建立在不同的标准之上，每一条链的经济系统又互相独立，最后的结果就像建立在沙子上的城堡，任何一个沙堆的变化都会让这个城堡毁于一旦。
Across different chain logic of the biggest problems is not chain technology is mature, but across the chain itself is a paradox, because the entire across ecological chain based on different criteria, each strand of the economic system and independent from each other, the end result is like build castles in the sand, any change will let the sand castle.
hslayj:
其实比特币的法制化，也是其能够成功的关键节点，当整个币圈都在考虑怎么抗审查的时候，如果只有一个生态是合法的，你可以想象庞大的商业社会会流向哪个方向。合法化解决的时候，就是区块链爆发的时刻。
In fact, the legalization of bitcoin is also the key to its success. When the whole currency circle is considering how to resist censorship, if only one ecology is legal, you can imagine which direction the huge commercial society will go. When legalization is resolved, the blockchain will explode.
昊轩:
韭菜很反智，迷信抗审查，被割了都去找警察。
Leek is very anti - wisdom, superstition anti - censorship, was cut to the police.
hslayj:
其实把bsv的metanet理解成一张白纸就够了，使用这个白纸有几个前提条件1，项目需要合法，接受法律监管。2，接受比特币2008年的白皮书的设定内容。3，参与比特币的生态建设和竞争。4，将metanet当作一个不可篡改的数据库使用。
只要接受了这几个前置条件，其实什么应用和项目都能做，所有的生态参与者都可以在这张白纸上画自己想画的东西，所有的项目都有着无尽的可能性和可拓展性，想明白了这点，就明白为什么没有必要要有那么多条链，因为比特币本身就可以做所有事情了。
In fact, it is enough to understand BSV’s metanet as a piece of white paper. There are several preconditions for the use of this white paper: 1. The project should be legal and subject to legal supervision. 2. Accept the setting content of bitcoin’s 2008 white paper. 3. Participate in the ecological construction and competition of bitcoin. 4. Use metanet as a tamper-proof database.
As long as the accepted these preconditions, application and project can do, in fact what all ecological participants can draw on this piece of white paper on what they want to draw, all of the projects have endless possibilities and scalable, want to understand this, just understand why it is not necessary to have so many chains, because the currency itself can do all things.
然:
元网的伞形前缀怎么理解
How to understand the umbrella prefix of meta - net
hslayj:
比如你定义了某种元网metanet的协议，你可以通过协议缩写为前缀利用该协议访问该协议定义的一种数据位置或数据格式。比如http就是一种超文本互联网访问协议
For example, if you define some metanet protocol, you can use the protocol to access a data location or data format defined by the protocol by using the protocol abbreviation as prefix. HTTP, for example, is a hypertext Internet access protocol
hslayj:
在大多数bsver眼里，btc是伪币，真正的比特币是bsv，他们可能有一定的价格相关性，不过目前bsv主要是独立行情，bsv的启动逻辑主要是由应用开发者觉得好用带来的大规模增持从而引发的脉冲式上涨，然后散户加杠杆爆仓后带来的巨大市场价格回调。由于目前也就50亿美金的盘子，所以暴涨暴跌会是常态，大家绑好安全带，切记短期频繁操作甚至用杠杆。法国那个是旧新闻，后来不了了之了，BTC的逻辑只有在中本聪消失的前提下存在，现在中本聪王者归来了，BTC没落是时间问题
In the eyes of most bsver, BTC is counterfeit, the real currency is BSV, they may have a certain correlation, the price of the independent, but the BSV mainly BSV startup logic is mainly caused by application developers feel good mass increase of triggering pulse rise, and retail and leverage after blowing up huge market price callback. With only $5 billion worth of plates at the moment, the ups and downs will be the norm, so keep your seat belts fastened and be sure to operate frequently and even with leverage in the short term. The French story was an old one, but it didn’t go away. The logic of BTC existed only if satoshi nakamoto disappeared. Now that satoshi nakamoto is back, the decline of BTC is a matter of time
重水vs铁粉:
btc申请etf永远不会通过，今后bsv成熟起来，可能一次过。
BTC application etf will never be approved, from now on BSV mature, may once again.
hslayj:
对的，BSV一旦法制化成功，整个生态也就和法律体系接轨了。这是BSV生态成熟的关键节点。
Right, once BSV is legalized, the whole ecology is in line with the legal system. This is the key point of BSV’s ecological maturity.
潘潘🐰🌹:
以后会不会通过etf
Will it go through the etf in the future
hslayj:
可能会吧，不过bsv不依赖etf，只要合法，随时都可以钱包兑换，而且是秒到的。
Probably, but BSV doesn’t rely on etfs and can be converted into a wallet anytime it is legal, and in seconds.
重水vs铁粉:
其实只要合法化，没有etf，一些机构也会放心买入bsv
In fact, as long as the legalization, no etf, some institutions will be comfortable to buy BSV
昊轩:
灰度公司的比特币信托产品GBTC在美国的某OTC平台上，是仅次于腾讯B股的最活跃的交易标的，灰度信托当前总的市场管理规模为28亿美金，其中比特币信托GBTC资产规模为25.4亿美金。
GBTC, the bitcoin trust product of grayscale company, is the most active trading target next to tencent’s b-shares on an OTC platform in the United States. Currently, the total market management scale of grayscale trust is 2.8 billion us dollars, of which GBTC asset scale of bitcoin trust is 2.54 billion us dollars.
hslayj:
目前增持btc的主要还是冲下半年减半去的，bsv合法了，代表整个bsv生态就合法了，也就是区块链产业就彻底合法化了，这是生态爆发的基础。
At present, the main reason for BTC holdings is to cut by half in the second half of the year. When BSV is legal, the whole BSV ecology will be legal, that is, the block chain industry will be completely legalized, which is the basis of ecological explosion.
然:
@hslayj 对于btc高昂的挖矿成本，我们是不是过于悲观了
Hslayj are we too pessimistic about BTC’s high mining costs
邱少賢:
BTC 的价格高到一定程度，没人接盘它就崩了，那么问题来了，别人为什么要给你接盘？
The price of BTC is so high that it collapses when no one picks it up. So the question is, why should someone else pick it up for you?
范厚瑾:
未必啊，比特币也有厉害的团队，他们也会一直改进他们的技术水平
Not necessarily. Bitcoin has a great team, and they’re constantly improving their technology
邱少賢:
不要被表象懵逼了双眼
Don’t be blinded by appearances
范厚瑾:
任何事情都不是永远不变的
Nothing is permanent
邱少賢:
比特币是一个基于经济的自激励系统
Bitcoin is an economy-based self-incentive system
范厚瑾:
嗯嗯，也许比特币也能到100万美元以上，bsv也可以成功。我们应该用宽容的心态对待比特币，可以这样理解吗？
bsv确实很优秀，但是比特币也很稀缺
Well, maybe bitcoin can go over $1 million and BSV can succeed. We should treat bitcoin with a tolerant attitude, can we understand it like this?
BSV is excellent, but bitcoin is also scarce
然:
不是，图中的意思大家可能理解偏了，那哥们的意思似乎是耗电成本不用考虑，我想知道大家怎么看
No, the meaning of the picture may be misunderstood, the guy seems to mean that the cost of power consumption should not be considered, I wonder what you think
范厚瑾:
假设博士的110万比特币都投入市场，如果大家都喜欢，瞬间就被买走了[捂脸]
大家都知道总量就2100万个
Suppose the doctor’s 1.1 million bitcoins were put on the market, and if everyone liked them, they were instantly bought [facepalm].
You know the total is 21 million
昊轩:
比特币都能分裂成三种，甚至30种，怎么稀缺了？
Bitcoin can split into three, even 30, so why is it so rare?
我是程zi:
总量2100万的好多，不算稀缺
A total of 21 million is a lot, not scarce
然:
主要他们的共识就是btc就是黄金，还有你们提的稀缺，所以不会考虑实用价值，只觉得值钱，于是就无脑的持有
Their main consensus is that BTC is gold, and you mention the scarcity, so will not consider the practical value, only think of the value, so they have no brain to hold
hslayj:
BTC是建立在一系列谎言之上的，他成立的前提是谎言成立，而谎言肯定是无法长期成立的。谎言被揭穿那一天，就是BTC崩盘的那一天，不会特别远。
BTC is built on a series of lies, and it’s built on the premise that the lies are true, and the lies are certainly not sustainable. The day the lie was discovered, the day BTC crashed, is not too far away.
hslayj:
矿工这个群体是随着币价走的，谁的币价高，谁的哈希就高，矿工就趋向于去挖谁，当币价崩溃时，矿工就走了。
比特币不是抗审查的，core说他抗审查，比特币是csw发明的，core在诋毁csw，比特币在补贴消失后需要靠手续费生活，core却阉割了btc链上扩容可能性使得长期经济模型无法完成永续闭环，闪电网络是违法的技术手段，比特币网络可以被政府通过矿工控制，这会使得core的反政府图谋在政府觉醒的那一天，彻底烟消云散。
The miners are a group that goes with the price of the coin, the higher the price of the coin, the higher the hash, the miners tend to dig, when the price of the coin collapsed, the miners left.
Currency is not resistant to review, core said he fight censorship, the currency was invented by CSW, core to decry CSW, COINS disappeared in subsidies need to live by fees, after the core is castrated BTC chain expansion possibilities make long-term economic model can not be completed sustainable closed loop, it is illegal to lightning network technology, the currency network can be controlled by the government through the miners, it makes the core of the plot against the government government awakening of that day of, completely evaporated.
hslayj:
用古董这个例子是强调了比特币的稀缺性，如果比特币只有btc，那这个例子是没问题的，比特币很可能通过稀缺性获得高价格，但问题是正版比特币bsv出现了，btc能干的bsv全能干，bsv能干的，btc大部分干不了，这就使得长期的网络效应会使得btc的价值流向bsv，最后完成bsv对btc的抽血虹吸效应，所以bsv就是btc的终结者。
This example with antiques is emphasized the scarcity of the currency, if BTC COINS, that is no problem, this is an example of the currency is likely to have high prices through scarcity, but the problem is the original currency BSV appeared, BTC capable BSV universal dry, BSV capable, BTC most do, this makes the long-term network effect makes the value of the BTC to BSV, finally complete the BSV blood siphon effect of BTC, therefore BSV BTC terminator.
hslayj:
如果btc真能抗审查，政府管不着，btc可能还有黑市的需求，但情况是，美国已经通过btc网络追踪干掉了太多太多的暗网成员和违法洗钱案件，用btc干坏事甚至是一件很蠢的事情。
If BTC really can resist censorship, the government can’t control, BTC may still have black market demand, but the situation is that the United States has killed too many dark network members and money laundering cases through BTC network tracking, using BTC to do bad things is even a stupid thing to do.
CHEER不舍:
比特币不是完美的，可能分叉也是必然且最合理的做法，btc作为1M小区块和创世数字货币的身份做数字黄金再合适不过。而bsv无区块上限可以尽情发展其公链生态，大展宏图。同为比特系，不同发展道路需求分叉出的不同形态货币，双方并不冲突。为什么非不是你死就是我活，为什么不可以共存？
Bitcoin is not perfect, and perhaps bifurcation is the inevitable and most logical course of action. BTC is perfectly suited to digital gold as a one-meter block and as a creation of digital currency. And BSV without block upper limit can enjoy the development of its public chain ecology, a grand plan. As a bit system, different development paths demand different forms of currency that are not in conflict with each other. Why either you die or I live, why not coexist?
hslayj:
因为btc踩了太多法律红线，法律不会饶过它
Because BTC stepped on too many legal red lines, the law will not let it go
CHEER不舍:
全世界这么多国家各自法律 谁说了算
In so many countries around the world, who’s in charge of their laws
邱少賢:
@CHEER不舍 因为比特币本身就是只能有一个的
@cheer does not give up because bitcoin itself can only have one
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比特币需要吸收资源，把电力转化成数据，BSV 和 BTC 始终是竞争关系，只有一个能拿下王位，剩下的都将会发配边疆（沦落到地下黑市）
Bitcoin needs to absorb resources and turn electricity into data. BSV and BTC are always in competition. Only one can take the throne, and the rest will be distributed to the frontier (reduced to underground black market).
hslayj:
liberty reverse，本身是合法的，因为资助了洗钱等地下网络交易，一夜之间被42个国家联合取缔了，这也是为什么国外很多大亨不碰btc的原因，因为他们知道这玩意踩红线了，政府要取缔它，一夜之间就没有了。
Liberty reverse, itself legal, was shut down overnight by 42 countries for sponsoring money-laundering and other underground transactions, which is why many foreign tycoons have stayed away from BTC because they know it’s a red line and the government wants to ban it.
hslayj:
这也是为什么比特币区块链一定要取得法制共识才能谈壮大和发展，因为不合法代表着没有参与者，那些大玩家都不敢来，只有合法了，区块链才有爆发的可能，而BSV现在就在走这条路，BSV合法了，区块链生态就合法了
全世界btc的矿工数据中心只有19个，你以为政府很难找到他们么？
This is also why the bitcoin blockchain must reach a legal consensus to talk about its growth and development, because illegal means there are no participants, those big players dare not come, only legal, blockchain will have the possibility of outbreak, and BSV is now on this road, BSV legal, blockchain ecology is legal
There are only 19 BTC data centers for miners in the world. Do you think the government has a hard time finding them?
CHEER不舍:
btc到现在已经11年了，要取缔早没了。而且现在国家的意思比特币为商品，持有合法。
BTC has been around for 11 years now. And now the country means bitcoin is a commodity, held legally.
邱少賢:
是比特币到现在 11 年了，BTC 是 2017 年加了 segwit 分叉出来了
Bitcoin is now 11 years old, BTC is in 2017 with segwit bifurcated out
hslayj:
政府之所以不去取缔btc，是因为btc代表着比特币，比特币是区块链领域第一个成功的应用，而且闪电网络是17年加进去的，如果bsv合法了，政府发现了区块链的正确打开方式是bsv，而bsv又合法了，你说政府还允许那些非法领域的存在么。
The government not to clamp down on BTC because BTC represents the currency, the currency is the first successful application block chain field, and lightning network is added in the 17 years, if the BSV legally, the government found block chain to open the right way is the BSV, and BSV legal, you said that the government is allowed to exist in the field of the illegal.
hslayj:
如果抛开非法用途，那么普通投资者投资BTC，唯一的作用就是增值，也就是说BTC只有永远涨，才有价值，但是前有BSV生态大爆发，后有政府围追堵截，你觉得BTC真的会永远涨么。
If put aside illegal use, then ordinary investors invest in BTC, the only role is to increase value, that is to say, BTC only forever rise, there is value, but before the BSV ecological explosion, after the government to catch up, you think BTC will really forever rise?
然:
精彩，解决了我一些疑惑[鼓掌]
Brilliant. Solved some of my doubts. [applause]
CHEER不舍:
去年英国烟草店售卖btc,还有这是美国的btc取款机，这像是要被取代的东西吗
Last year British tobacco shops sold BTC, and this is the BTC ATM in the United States, does this look like something to be replaced
hslayj:
去年美国还打算上BTC的ETF呢，最后不都是不了了之了么，因为CSW以中本聪的名义直接给证监会写信了，CSW还帮助过美国政府完成过人口贩卖的追捕。
Last year, the us was planning to join the BTC ETF, but it all came to nothing because CSW wrote directly to the securities and exchange commission in the name of satoshi nakamoto. CSW also helped the us government complete human trafficking chase.
我是程zi:
假如BSV从法律上证明了它是名门正宗，那BTC就是侵权和偷窃，那就违法了最基本的法律
If BSV proves from the law that it is famous family authentic, that BTC is tort and pilferage, that broke the most basic law
hslayj:
liberty reverse 当初也是合法存在的
Liberty reverse was also legal
我是程zi:
这点就够了
That’s enough
hslayj:
政府现在还没搞明白什么是区块链，而主流还在以为BTC
The government hasn’t figured out what blockchain is yet, and the mainstream still thinks BTC
铠恺凯:
所以如果btc垮掉是一瞬间的事，也不会有缓冲期。投资有风险，只能自认倒霉了。
So if BTC collapses in a flash, there will be no buffer period. The investment was risky and you had to call yourself out of luck.
hslayj:
当BSV真正王者归来的时候，比特币就在法律上被定义了，然后就是万币归一、万链归一的市场发展逻辑，因为区块链从生下来那天开始就是归零或者归一的系统，要么成为世界的时间链，要么就什么都不是，因为后期的经济激励只有靠链上生态完成，链上生态长不出来，这条链就会死，链上生态太小，就会被大链吃掉。
When the BSV real return of the king, the currency is defined in the law, and then there are the thousands of COINS of all chain unto a market development logic, because the chain of blocks since the day I was born is zero or to a system or chain to become the world’s time, or are nothing, because of the late only through the chain of ecological economic incentives, ecological chain long not to come out, the chain will die, ecological chain is too small, will be eaten by the big chains.
hslayj:
当初就是因为btc core那群人不愿意链上扩容，甚至直接说链上扩容不可能，从而导致了后来很多其他功能链和联盟链的出现，最后引发了ICO这类庞氏骗局大爆发，这都是BTC因为缺乏对区块链生态的了解引起的区块链生态灾难，这就是典型的猪队友行为，导致了大量的投资人被骗和区块链投资亏损。你觉得世界还会给这群蠢货多少次胡来的机会呢。
At the beginning because BTC core expansion, the group of people are not willing to chain expansion could not have said chain directly, even leading to a later appeared a lot of other features of chain and chain alliance, and finally caused the ICO such massive ponzi scheme on this is BTC caused because of the lack of understanding of the ecological block chain block ecological disaster chain, it is typical of a pig teammates behavior, lead to a lot of investors has been tricked and block chain investment losses. How many more times do you think the world will give these fools a chance to mess around?
Conversation : 2020.3.3 ~ 3.8 #
清风徐来:
最近一直从https://metanet.press 反复学习，大家有空也可以翻翻看
Recently, I have been learning from https://metanet.press, you can also read it when you have time
邱少贤：
那边有些文章翻译得还是有些生硬，所以我最近开了个公众号，会尽量更接地气一些，公众号是：邱少闲聊Metanet
Some articles there are still some stiff translation, so I recently opened a public number, will try to be more down-to-earth, the public number is: “邱少闲聊Metanet”
我是程zi:
老罗就图片内容也给评论一下@hslayj ，我是BSV铁头，博士忠实粉丝
@hslayj, I’m BSV iron head, a big fan of doc
hslayj:
交易所的合规性问题我确实不太理解，因为很多东西都是暗箱操作。不过币安本身如果没有法律监管地，本身可能就是一个问题吧，这个问题会不会蔓延到其他交易所，我也不太清楚，看法律怎么解读吧。关键是他们是否真的洗钱了这个动作，这才是踩红线与否的关键问题。
I really don’t understand the compliance issue of the exchange because a lot of things are done in the dark. However, if there is no legal supervision on the currency itself, it may be a problem. I am not sure whether the problem will spread to other exchanges. Let’s see how the law is interpreted. The key is whether they actually launder the money, which is the key question.
我是程zi:
嗯，是个好的点。对币安本身没有法律监管，或者说包括法人以及实体都没有被监管，这是很大不同。其他的交易所被监管或者实体所在地被区域性管控，这样违法包括洗钱之后可以更容易得到法律处罚用以违法的代价，政府会更放心,不过本质上一个杀人犯说我接受判罚，但是我要举报另一个杀人犯，法律也不会不管的,币安如果倒闭，对整个币圈特别是交易所是个大地震啊
Well, it’s a good point. There is no legal supervision of the currency itself, or neither legal persons nor entities are regulated, which is a big difference. Other exchanges by regulatory or entity is located by regional control, this illegal including money laundering can more easily get legal punishment to the illegal price, the government will be more at ease, but essentially a killer that I accept the decision, but I want to report a murderer, the law also won’t no matter, currency, if fail, especially the exchange of the currency circle is a major earthquake
hslayj:
具体要看案件的证据链条和法律条文，不过博士帮助政府抓过很多罪犯，对比特币地址的资金流向是有一定研究的,交易所的合法性问题，确实可能是币圈的一次大地震
The specific case depends on the chain of evidence and legal provisions, but the doctor helped the government to catch a lot of criminals, there is a certain amount of research on the bitcoin address of the flow of funds, the legitimacy of the exchange, may indeed be a currency ring of a big earthquake
我是程zi:
对，在于博士只去追踪币安的洗钱链条就算了，如果也顺手一查别的就麻烦了，或者说极端点，在币安洗的钱又导到了火币，被博士查到了，怎么办,博士不能知情不报，否则也是犯法
Right, is that the doctor only to track money money laundering chain even, if also conveniently check other trouble, or extreme point, the money in the money and money to the fire, was found by the doctor, how to do, the doctor can not know not to report, otherwise is also a crime
hslayj:
嗯，这就涉及到区块链领域的法律追索权，如果要一直追查下去，可能所有交易者都要受牵连了，应该会有一个度的问题，我也不太确定最后会怎么样
Well, this involves legal recourse in the area of blockchain. If we keep pursuing this, maybe all the traders will be involved. There should be a degree problem
我是程zi:
所以很多人对于博士搞币安很开心，其实分析厉害还是很心慌的，特别是只是纯投机炒币的
So a lot of people are very happy for the doctor to make money, in fact, the analysis is still very nervous, especially just speculation currency
hslayj:
是的，新生领域的开创并不简单和理所应当，都是一步一步摸索出来的。中间可能会走弯路，也可能会有牺牲品，这都不奇怪，这就是创新本来的样子。
Yes, the creation of new fields is not easy and should be taken for granted, it is explored step by step. There can be detours, there can be casualties, and that’s not surprising. That’s what innovation is.
我是程zi:
是，难搞
Is that difficult
hslayj:
所有加密货币均为财产，并受法律作为财产的约束。当您从Binance购买硬币（比特币），并且与流经同一家数字洗衣店的犯罪资金混在一起时，您并不是在购买自己可以拥有和调用的比特币。法律上有一项原则被称为nemo dat规则，即nemo dat quod non habet。这是不拥有好头衔的人不能将其授予他人的基本原则。比特币是可分割的令牌，而不是帐户。有混合规则，这在一定程度上适用，但是当通过诸如Binance之类的犯罪设施洗钱时，仍可以跟踪令牌的所有权并将其分配给原始产权持有者。因此，当您从一个从一个国家驱逐到另一个国家的犯罪企业购买商品时，一次又一次逃离了不可避免的终点，请记住：您甚至可能都不拥有所购买的商品。犯罪收益并非您应有的称号。
All cryptocurrencies are property and are subject to law as property. When you buy COINS (bitcoins) from Binance and get mixed up with criminal money flowing through the same digital laundry, you’re not buying bitcoins that you can own and call. In law there is a principle called nemo dat rule, nemo dat quod non habet. This is the basic principle that people without good titles cannot bestow them on others. Bitcoin is a divisible token, not an account. There are hybrid rules, which apply to some extent, but when money is launder through a criminal facility such as Binance, the ownership of a token can still be tracked and distributed to the original owner of the property. So when you buy from a criminal enterprise deported from one country to another, fleeing the inevitable destination over and over again, remember: you may not even own what you buy. Proceeds of crime are not your proper title.
hslayj:
以上是博士的最新博文内容，专门讲洗钱法律的适用性规则的
That’s the latest post from the doctor on the applicability of money laundering laws
hslayj:
不过这里面可能涉及到很多法律条款的具体执行问题和法律本身的发展问题，数字货币是新生事物，和旧资产的属性不太一样，而且流动性可能非常大，按照nemo dat规则完全执行，在旧资产上没问题，在数字货币上可能牵连的人群就比较大了，我估计执法部门的主要经历应该是放在大额的犯罪行为和犯罪中介上，而且涉及到国家法律适用范围和国际法律执行边界的问题，英美法系很讲究执法成本的问题，不过普通投资者还是要避免自己陷入比较尴尬的境地。
But it might involve a lot of the specific terms of the law execution and the development of the law itself, digital currency is a new thing, and old assets attribute is different, and liquidity can be very big, according to the nemo dat rule execution, completely no problem on old assets, may be involved in the digital currency the crowd is larger, the main experience I estimated that law enforcement should be put on the large amount of crime and criminal mediation, and involves the national law and international law enforcement application scope boundary problem, have common law enforcement cost problem, But ordinary investors still want to avoid getting into a more awkward position.
我是程zi:
是的，谢谢进一步解惑@hslayj
Yes, thanks for further clarification
hslayj:
投资入门的时候还是尽量理解市场背后的逻辑脉络，不要过度相信那些看起来很玄的概念，越理解，逻辑就越清晰，玄学很多时候会为自己的冲动找借口，不利于更客观的看待问题，而投资是一件需要非常非常理性的事情。
When investment entry or try to understand the logic behind the market context, do not excessively believe that those seem to be very mysterious concept, the more understanding, the more clear the logic, metaphysics will find excuses for their own impulse a lot of times, is not conducive to more objective view of the problem, and investment is a need to be very very rational things.
hslayj:
很多教科书上的交易员本质都是运气比较好的赌徒，并不一定是非常好的学习对象。投资方法论是很讲究当代的有效性，同样的思路，不同的时代结果是完全不一样的，很多时候历史的成功经验甚至是当代的反面教材，要读懂当代逻辑并不容易，因为没有人给你解释，你也不一定有正确答案，历史总结的正确规律的金矿已经被采光了，世事变换，很多东西都是动态发展的。只有看见别人看不见的机会，才能在这个领域安身立命。
Many textbook traders are essentially luckier gamblers and are not necessarily very good to learn from. Investment the effectiveness of the methodology is contemporary, the same way of thinking, different times are not the same as a result, a lot of time in the history of successful experience, and even the opposite of contemporary teaching material, it is not easy to read and understand the contemporary logic, there being no one to explain to you, you may not have the correct answer, the correct historical summary law of gold mine has been lighting, things change, a lot of things is the dynamic development. Only by seeing opportunities that others can’t see can you make a living in this field.
CHEER不舍:
@hslayj 转帐usdt遇到一个问题 怎么知道自己属于什么类型的usdt?比如我从交易所转这个地址 我怎么知道交易所是哪个类型得usdt,为什么会有不同三条链的usdt，什么区别
@hslayj transfer a problem how do you know what type of usdt you belong to? So let’s say I go from the exchange to this address how do I know which type of exchange is the usdt, why are there three different chains of usdt, what’s the difference
hslayj:
你可以看看地址字符串的前面几个字母，一般来说前面几个字母定义了地址格式。是用三套技术标准发的币
You can look at the first few letters of the address string, which generally define the address format. It is issued using three sets of technical standards
hslayj:
omni是比特币标准，erc-20是发型在以太坊链上的，EOS mainnet是发型在EOS上的。可能怕单一的链会因为某种原因系统崩溃吧，比如以太坊要是堵了，可能系统就崩了，多放几套标准就降低了对单一链的依赖。
Omni is the bitcoin standard, erc-20 is hair on the ethereum chain, and EOS mainnet is hair on EOS. Maybe the single chain will collapse for some reason. For example, if ethereum is blocked, the system may collapse, and a few more sets of standards reduce the dependence on the single chain.
清风徐来:
区块链行业即将伴随这次减半和全球金融动荡进入新篇章，世界公民的概念和分布式概念也会开始正式渗透进入人们的生活，这一切都不是加密货币游戏那么简单，偏见是利润的来源，走出去，拥抱每个有潜力的角落，故事才刚刚开始。（转自互联网）
Block chain industry is associated with this time by half and the global financial turmoil into a new chapter, the concept of citizen of the world, and distributed concept will start formal penetration into the life of people, all this is not encrypted currency game so simple, prejudice is the source of profits, go out and embrace each has the potential to the corner of the story has only just begun. (from Internet)
hslayj:
嗯😊 世界公民这个提法挺不错，我喜欢
Well 😊 a citizen of the world, this idea is good, I like it
hslayj:
从二战后的美国当任总统威尔逊开始，民族自觉思潮就开始充斥着世界政治空气中，以这个民族自觉为前提的思潮，造就了之后几十年的种族矛盾，宗教对立与国家猜疑链，甚至让美国这个超级大国也陷入了长久的中东战争泥潭，并延续至今。以国家机器暴力逻辑为起点组织了现在的国际局势，这个局的问题是不能靠内部破解的，需要外在动力，而现在看来，很有可能就是bsv体系代表的区块链，也许几十年后，人类完全能够用诚实和信用解决所有问题，而不是暴力。
Since after the second world war when the President of the United States Wilson, modem nationalism trend began to full of world politics in the air, on the premise that the national consciousness, created after decades of racial conflict, religion and national chain suspicion, even let the superpower in the long war in the Middle East, and continues today. Taking the logic of state machine violence as the starting point to organize the current international situation, the problems of this bureau can not be solved by the internal, need external motivation, and now it seems that it is likely to be the block chain represented by the BSV system, maybe in a few decades, human beings can fully solve all problems with honesty and credit, rather than violence.
hslayj:
所以，世界公民这个提法，在区块链领域将更有时代代表性
Therefore, the concept of world citizen will be more representative of The Times in the field of blockchain
昊轩:
美国解体以后，世界会太平很多
The world will be much more peaceful after the disintegration of the United States
hslayj:
倒也不用完全解体那么严重，不过管住枪杆子还是很必要的
It doesn’t have to disintegrate completely, but it’s necessary to keep the gun in place
重水vs铁粉:
不会太平，继续乱下去，尤其中东。世界的焦点还是在那边，宗教矛盾历史根源太深
There will be no peace and chaos, especially in the Middle East. The focus of the world is still there, and the historical roots of religious conflict are too deep
hslayj:
在比特币时代，资本和政治是割离的，一直乱的话，资本会走掉，老百姓可能也会跑掉。没有美国乱干预，也许区域内部的经济自组织会启动，政治不作恶，老百姓其实就有活路
In the bitcoin era, capital and politics are separated. If there is chaos, capital will run away, and people may run away. Without the disorderly intervention of the United States, perhaps the economic self-organization within the region will start, the politics do not do evil, the people actually have a way to live
清风徐来:
所有推动社会进步的都是人类不断开智后对于文明社会本然的需求，宗教矛盾、民族主义、政权民主，归根到底是寻求对人权的保护
All that promotes social progress is the natural demand of human beings for a civilized society after continuous development of wisdom. Religious contradictions, nationalism, regime democracy and, in the final analysis, seeking protection of human rights
重水vs铁粉:
信仰问题，水火不容
In matters of faith, fire and water do not agree
hslayj:
美国之所以敢打中东，说白了就是法币时代，美国掌握了美元铸币权，拿着全世界人民的钱乱花，以后比特币时代，美国不可能有以前法币时代那种财政实力了，如果还这么搞，早晚破产
The reason why the United States dares to fight in the Middle East is simply the age of fiat money. The United States has the right to coin us dollars and spends the money of people all over the world recklessly. After the age of bitcoin, the United States cannot have the financial strength of the previous age of fiat money
hslayj:
底层的资本逻辑一变，国家职能范围也会有很大变化
When the underlying capital logic changes, the scope of state functions will also change greatly
清风徐来:
国家职能范围会有哪些大的变化呢？
What are the big changes in the scope of the state?
hslayj:
应该会往小政府方向发展，大政府主要是应对外敌的，经济发展还是要看小政府
政府本身也会有限责任化和可破产化，因为资本和政治剥离了
中国之前的县级竞争制可能成为政治的主流竞争生态，以城市为单位的基础政治单元可能承担更多的政治角色。
这都是猜想，是以政府没钱了为前提的猜想，不一定对
It should go in the direction of small government. Big government mainly deals with foreign enemies, and economic development depends on small government
The government itself would be limited and insolvent, as capital and politics were stripped away
The previous county-level competition system in China may become the mainstream competitive ecology of politics, and the basic political unit with the city as the unit may assume more political roles.
This is all a guess, a guess based on the premise that the government is out of money, not necessarily true
清风徐来:
嗯嗯，资本和政治要摊开说的东西好多，不同国家的国情，各自的资本土壤，大政府小政府下的角色制度，一个链的整体改变需要从上而下从内到外方方面面的提升和配合，不会那么容易，但还是很期待诚实信用的新世界。
Well, there is a lot to be said for capital and politics. The national conditions of different countries, their capital soil, the role system of big government and small government, and the overall change of a chain need to be improved and coordinated from the top down from the inside to the outside. It will not be so easy, but we are still looking forward to the new world of honesty and credit.
hslayj:
是的，就算实现也会很漫长很曲折
Yes, even if the realization will be long and tortuous
hslayj:
我这两天设计了一个区块链选举的政治游戏，大家看看有没有什么漏洞。首先一个城市当作一个公司，公司股份按照城市的注册成年人数平分，该股份可以自由买卖，承担城市的亏损或者盈利，该股份将直接决定城市的领导人，每过四年免费发行与存量等量的新股，重新平均分配给当时的注册成年人数，然后重新选择领导人，规则与之前相同。当这个模型中持有人从不买卖自己的城市股票时，他就是一个合格选民，一个中产阶级；当这个模型中持有人总是尽快卖出自己的城市股票时，他就是一个穷人，可以通过卖城市股票获得一定的补贴；当这个模型中的持有人大范围买入城市股票时，他就是城市的领导者，但是他的领导力每四年都会被稀释一次，导致他无法当独裁者。
I designed a blockchain election political game these two days, let’s see if there are any loopholes. First of all, a city as a company, the company shares in accordance with the registration number of adult city was divided and the shares may be freely traded, bear loss of the cities or profit, the shares will directly decide the leaders of the city, every four years and the stock of the same amount of new shares, free to average assigned to the registered number of adult, and then to choose leaders, the rules are the same as before. When the holder of this model never buys or sells his own city stock, he is a qualified voter, a middle class; When the holder of this model always sells his city stock as soon as possible, he is a poor person and can get some subsidy by selling city stock; He was the city’s leader when the model’s holders bought city stocks on a large scale, but his leadership was diluted every four years, making it impossible for him to be a dictator.
hslayj:
这是一个游戏，需要大家找bug，然后我后期看能不能把它完善出来
This is a game, we need to find bugs, and then I will see if I can improve it
清风徐来:
开始时每个人的占股是一样的，中间自由买卖，那我想大范围买入城市股票的money从哪里挣呢
Everyone’s share is the same at the beginning, trading freely in the middle, so I want to buy a wide range of city stocks where to make money
hslayj:
大财阀、大富翁呗，如果他们觉得他们能通过选举获得更大的利益，可能就会大范围买入城市股票。
The big plutocrats and the rich, if they think they can get more out of an election, may buy city stocks on a large scale
hslayj:
因为城市股票不仅是权力，也是一种资产，因为城市赚钱了，也会分给股票持有者。
Because city stock is not just power, it’s an asset, because the city makes money, and it’s distributed to the holder of the stock.
邱少贤:
其实前期能把选举投票电子化放到区块链上就很好了。tokenized 每一张选票即可
In fact, the early stage of the election vote on the block chain is very good. Tokenized every vote
hslayj:
没有区块链，这种共识是不可能达成的，光是猜疑链，就能把人搞死,必须是建立在BSV区块链之上的
Without blockchain, this consensus is impossible to reach, just suspect chain, can make people dead, must be built on the BSV blockchain
hslayj:
主要是针对民主国家还有极权国家，这个方案都有可使用性，民主国家老百姓不会想着买卖选票，极权国家估计选票一出来就被大财阀买走了，这对多种不同的文化政治体制都有着非常好的可过渡性。
Mainly for democratic countries and also for totalitarian states, this scheme is available, the democratic people don’t want to buy and sell votes, the totalitarian states are expected to buy the votes as soon as they come out, which is very good for the transition of many different cultural and political systems.
hslayj:
而且选票将不是空洞无物的，它直接决定了城市每个人接下来四年的股票收入分红
And the vote will not be empty; it will determine the share of income that everyone in the city will receive for the next four years
清风徐来:
民主国家老百姓不会想买卖选票，民主国家大财阀不是通过背后买卖操纵脸书用户的选票当上特朗普总统吗
Ordinary people in democracies don’t want to buy and sell votes. Didn’t the big plutocrats in democracies buy and sell behind the back to manipulate the votes of facebook users to become President trump
hslayj:
是的，民主有很多问题，不能让那些失败者掌握政治话语权，民主很多时候都很容易沦落为民粹。其实补贴穷人没问题，但是让穷人决定国家命运，我觉得是有很大问题的
Yes, democracy has a lot of problems. You can’t let the losers have a say in politics. It’s fine to subsidize the poor, but I think it’s a big problem to let the poor decide the fate of the country
hslayj:
但是如果完全不顾穷人利益，社会的治安会很乱，穷人会闹事，社会的仇富心理会很强，最后富人也不好受。所以找一种补贴穷人的合理方式，让他们通过出让政治权力来完成财务补贴，我觉得是个可行的思路。
However, if the interests of the poor are completely ignored, the social security will be very disorderly, the poor will make trouble, the social resentment against the rich will be very strong, and finally the rich will not suffer. So finding a reasonable way to subsidize the poor by giving them political power to complete the financial subsidy, I think is a viable idea.
CHEER不舍:
这不就是POS机制吗，有钱说了算。。
This is the POS mechanism, money is the last word.
hslayj:
在国际的区块链财富公共治理领域，城市可以形成国家城市同盟，这样国家的政治逻辑就理顺了，国家的存在将不仅仅是民族主义的化身，而是照顾城市同盟利益的利益共同体，这样国家的领导人完全可以由城市领导人投票选出。
另一方面，在国际的区块链法律执行与立法过程中，当一个城市同盟有超过全网10%的算力的时候，拥有一位大法官席位，每个大法官都拥有矿工执法命令和区块链升级的一票否决权，这样防止国际社会的法律权限滥用，也保证BSV区块链领域的政治中立性。另外每个城市同盟的全网算力不得超过总算力的20%，这样保证区块链不被经济发达地区完全垄断。通过这套机制，区块链的底层逻辑和上层建筑逻辑基本都清晰了，主要看这种逻辑在博弈过程中，会不会产生不必要的纳什均衡，造成过度的零和博弈，就像今天的国际局势那样。
In the field of international chain blocks of the wealth of public governance, the city can form the national urban alliance, so the country’s political logic is smooth, the existence of the country will not only is the embodiment of nationalism, but take care of the interests of the community, city alliance that leaders can completely by city leaders to vote for.
In international chain blocks, on the other hand, execution of law and legislative process, when a city alliance with exceeding 10% of the entire network to calculate force, has a bench, each justice law enforcement command with miners and chain blocks veto to upgrade, so to prevent the legal authority to abuse of the international community, also ensure the BSV block chain in the field of political neutrality. In addition, the total network power of each city alliance should not exceed 20% of the total power, so as to ensure that blockchain is not completely monopolized by economically developed regions. Through this mechanism, the underlying logic and superstructure logic of blockchain are basically clear, mainly depending on whether this logic will produce unnecessary Nash equilibrium in the game process, resulting in excessive zero-sum game, just like the international situation today.
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比特币经济学 : 首页
比特币经济学 1 : 开讲
比特币经济学 2 : 法律
比特币经济学 3 : CSW
比特币经济学 4 : 法币崩溃
比特币经济学 5 : 核心概念定调
比特币经济学 6 : 经济危机 HOT !!!
比特币经济学 7 : 路径 HOT !!!
比特币经济学 8 : 万链归一
比特币经济学 9 : 产业区块链
比特币经济学 10 : 去中心化
比特币经济学 11 : 代际剥削
比特币经济学 12 : 族群矛盾
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