比特币经济学 1 : 开讲

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比特币经济学:基于BitcoinSV的全新视角来重新构想世界经济格局 #

Recreating Economics based on Bitcoin : Reimagining the world economic landscape based on a new perspective of BitcoinSV #

CONTENTS (目录) #

比特币经济学 : 首页
比特币经济学 1 : 开讲
比特币经济学 2 : 法律
比特币经济学 3 : CSW
比特币经济学 4 : 法币崩溃
比特币经济学 5 : 核心概念定调
比特币经济学 6 : 经济危机 HOT !!!
比特币经济学 7 : 路径 HOT !!!
比特币经济学 8 : 万链归一
比特币经济学 9 : 产业区块链
比特币经济学 10 : 去中心化
比特币经济学 11 : 代际剥削
比特币经济学 12 : 族群矛盾
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Conversation : 2020.2.23 #

我是程zi:
太好了,老罗在,我以为你放弃群了
Great. Lao luo is here. I thought you gave up the group

hslayj:
不可能放弃BSV,这是我们这辈人人生中难得遇到的机遇,可能这辈子就这么一次了,投资做好长久准备,最低是4年,如果4年内要动的钱,最好不要投,1月才翻倍,下跌是很可能的。而且BSV投资类似股票投资,还是有可能亏的,不要做梭哈,要给自己留下财务空间
It’s impossible to give up BSV, this is a rare opportunity in the life of our generation, maybe this is just once in a lifetime, invest for a long time, the minimum is 4 years, if you want to move money in 4 years, better not to invest, only doubled in January, down is very likely. And BSV investment is similar to the stock investment, or likely to lose money, do not sol-ha, to leave their own financial space

铠恺凯:
我没有太理解去中心化。淘宝属于第三方也算是一个中心化?@hslayj
I don’t really understand decentralization. Taobao belongs to a third party is also a centralized? @ hslayj

hslayj:
是的,淘宝属于中心化,除了BSV都属于中心化,没有稳定协议,就代表有人可以操纵系统
Yes, taobao belongs to centralization, except BSV belong to centralization, there is no stable agreement, it means someone can manipulate the system

铠恺凯:
淘宝中心化,腾讯中心化去不了吧?比如腾讯这种。有自己的生态了。Q币就是他的一种虚拟货币
Yes, taobao belongs to centralization, except BSV belong to centralization, there is no stable agreement, it means someone can manipulate the system

hslayj:
是的,淘宝和腾讯都是中心化的企业,去中心化是币圈的谎言,任何没有锁定协议的币,其中心都在协议开发者手里,比如eth是V神,btc是core,bch是他们的开发组,BSV不一定肯定成功,但是所有除了BSV都是有很多谎言的资金盘
Yes, taobao and tencent are centralized enterprises, decentralization is the lie of coinage circle, any coin without locking agreement, its center is in the hands of the agreement developers, such as eth is V god, BTC is core, BCH is their development group, BSV may not be sure of success, but all except BSV are a lot of lies of the capital disk

清风徐来:
中肯
To the point

铠恺凯:
我是对使用BSV有疑问。只能当面支付,如果像淘宝那样交易。还是需要第三方?比如你邮寄一双鞋我,我付BSV
I have questions about using BSV. Can only pay face to face, if the transaction like taobao. Or do you need a third party? Let’s say you mail me a pair of shoes and I pay BSV

hslayj:
BSV在支付层面,就像微信支付宝差不多,如果你要确保网络上的鞋子寄过来,确实需要第三方平台监控这个过程
BSV is on the payment side, just like WeChat alipay. If you want to make sure that the shoes on the Internet are delivered, you really need a third-party platform to monitor the process

铠恺凯:
我的疑问是能否去除第三方,看来是不能
My question is whether the third party can be removed

hslayj:
不能这么说,如果只考虑付钱这个层面的事情,是可以没有第三方的。因为你签名了交易,直接就矿机上链了,没有人会审核,除非被标记成非法交易,可能会有事后的法律问题。但是通过微信、银行、支付宝,其实相当于经过了一个第三方的审核方,来完成这笔交易
You can’t say that. If you only think about paying money, you can do it without a third party. Because you signed the deal, it went straight to the mine chain, and no one would review it, unless it was marked as an illegal deal, there could be legal issues afterwards. But through WeChat, the bank, pay treasure, be equivalent to passing through an audit party of a third party actually, will complete this transaction

大勇:
@hslayj 老罗,你对BSV的了解是从什么时候开始的?
@hslayj, when did you learn about BSV?

hslayj:
去年吧
Last year!

铠恺凯:
我觉得其他虚拟币不一定会死,会跟BSV区别开来,他们只要搞几个空壳项目,应该还是活的下去的,就像股票那样得存在
I think other virtual currency will not necessarily die, will be different from BSV, as long as they engage in a few shell projects, should still live, like the stock has to exist

hslayj:
之前币圈的逻辑是,链上扩容不可能,core把这个话说死了,所以大家就万链齐发,各做各的链,结果去年BSV激进扩容,相当于粉碎了这个谎言,那万链齐发的逻辑就不对了,要万链归一,而唯一能做到这个的,目前来看只有BSV,而这个逻辑也只有中本聪本人才敢这么提
Currency before the logic is that of chain expansion is not possible, the core the words died, so everybody is all chain, each do each chain, and the result BSV radical expansion of last year, equivalent to crush the lie, that the logic of chain have been wrong, should belong to a chain, and the only way to do this, for now only BSV, and this logic is only in the hearing the people dare to mention this

大勇:
你认为CSW是不是中本聪?
Do you think CSW is satoshi nakamoto?

hslayj:
是的,CSW肯定是中本聪
Yes, CSW must be satoshi nakamoto

hslayj:
BSV一出来,大家发现万币归一万链归一才是区块链的最终宿命时,其他币就没有生存空间了。关键是,其他所有币都是建立在去中心化谎言之上的,要做大事的人,是不能当中撒谎的,特别是在现代金融市场上,谁都不是傻子,被骗一次就够了,没人会总被骗
As soon as BSV came out, we found that the ultimate fate of the block chain is the return of ten thousand yuan to the chain of ten thousand yuan, and there was no room for other COINS to live. The point is, all the other currencies are built on decentralized lies, and people who want to do great things can’t lie, especially in modern financial markets

大勇:
那为什么圈内大佬们没有几个发声认可呢?比如:李笑来、恭亲王、沈波
So why are there so few vocal endorsements from the big boys? For example: li xiaolai, prince gong, shen bo

hslayj:
因为他们可能还是沉浸在CSW是骗子的这个刻板印象里面,等这些人如果都动了,天就已经变了,那可是几十万的往里砸盘啊
Because they’re probably still steeped in the stereotype that CSW is a fraud, and by the time these guys move, the sky will have changed, and that’s hundreds of thousands of hits

铠恺凯:
前两天伦敦大会。看几个风投公司的人,谈话的意思感觉还是处于观望状态,
London convention the other day. Look at a couple of VCS, and the conversation is still on the sidelines,

hslayj:
我不知道BSV是否最后一定成功,但是我知道除了BSV以外的都是资金盘,最后肯定成不了
I don’t know if BSV will be successful in the end, but I know that all other than BSV are funds, it will not be successful in the end

大勇:
按说他们的认知绝不差,否则不可能第一波吃到比特币的红利
They are not supposed to be bad at this, or they wouldn’t be able to get the first bitcoin dividend

hslayj:
我希望你们能够明白一点,一个企业成长在面世之前,基本是有ABCDE轮融资的,等到投资者把肉吃了、筋抽了、骨敲碎了,最后的股票市场才能轮到普通投资者喝点汤,BSV相当于根本没经历过这个前期过程,直接就面向大众了,相当于是一个原始股,所以投资者对他是完全不了解的
I hope you can understand a little, a firm growth before the launch, basic is ABCDE rounds of financing, wait for investors to eat the meat, muscle, bones break, the last of the stock market to turn ordinary investors to drink soup, BSV equivalent to never experienced the preliminary process, directly to the general public, rather then a primitive, so investors was completely don’t understand to him

hslayj:
所以目前的情况是,机构投资者和普通投资者是同时起跑的,不像传统股权投资,机构投资者通常是提前布局好了,价值挖出来了,才面对普通投资者
So the current situation is that institutional investors and ordinary investors are running at the same time, unlike traditional equity investment, institutional investors are usually in advance of the layout, dig out the value of the face of ordinary investors

hslayj:
BSV是币圈唯一的净土,除了他以外我在币圈看到的几乎都是谎言和欺诈,逻辑通顺的没几个
BSV is the only pure land of coinage circle, except him, what I see in coinage circle is lie and cheat almost, logic smooth few

CHEER不舍:
@hslayj 除了bsv 还有没持其它币?
@hslayj have any other COINS besides BSV?

hslayj:
没有,bsv不一定成功,其他币肯定失败。建立在谎言上的东西,消失的那一天,我们甚至都不会感受到,去中心化的谎言让你找个责任人都找不到
No, BSV doesn’t necessarily succeed, other COINS definitely fail. What’s built on the lie, the day it disappears, we don’t even feel like the decentralized lie that you can’t even find someone to blame

hslayj:
区块链是中本聪带到这个世界上的,如果他做不成,我不觉得有其他人能够做成
Blockchain is what satoshi nakamoto brought to the world, and if he can’t do it, I don’t think anyone else can

CHEER不舍:
你是多了解bsv这么自信,鸡蛋放一个篮子 有点风险吧
How much do you know about BSV and how confident you are, putting all your eggs in one basket is a little risky

hslayj:
我也没有满仓bsv,他可能失败,不过其他的都是资金盘,而且充斥着谎言
I am not full of BSV, he may fail, but the rest is money, and full of lies

hslayj:
区块链来到这个世界上是为了把人类的数据通过一个诚实的数据库积累,最后变成全人类的信用来源,诚实的世界不是一天建成的,更不可能通过谎言来建成
Blockchain comes to this world to accumulate human data through an honest database and finally become the credit source for all mankind. An honest world is not built in a day, and it is impossible to build it through lies

hslayj:
如果btc和bch老实一点,说中本聪不对,我就是要这么干,我敬他们是条汉子,但是他们却去栽赃中本聪,这就说明他们缺乏理论自信,只有通过陷害别人,才能合法占有别人的东西。
If BTC and BCH are honest and say satoshi nakamoto is wrong, that’s what I’m going to do. I respect them as men, but they plant satoshi nakamoto, which shows that they lack theoretical confidence and can only legally possess other people’s things by framing them.

hslayj:
区块链本身是个生态系统,他必须承载足够多不同的数据和产业,所以必须协议稳定,不可能今天是雪山、明天是岩浆、后天是大海,这样的生态是长不出来东西的,而唯一能够做到协议稳定就是BSV
The block chain itself is an ecosystem, it must carry enough different data and industries, so the agreement must be stable, it cannot be a snow mountain today, tomorrow is magma, the day after tomorrow is the sea, such an ecology can not grow things, and the only agreement can be stable is BSV

hslayj:
其他的后来者觉得可以砍掉胳膊换个机械手好像更厉害,但是生态就这么被破坏了,于是他们只能陷入到毫无止境的生物排异反应中,每天穷于改协议、改代码,对于一个生物体来说,这是会死人的
Other latcomers thought it would be better to cut off an arm and replace it with a robotic hand, but the ecology was so destroyed that they were trapped in an endless cycle of biological rejection, changing protocols and codes every day, which would kill an organism

hslayj:
万币归一、万链归一是区块链的最终宿命,全球只需要一个公共信用数据库,就和全人类只需要一个互联网一样,一个产业链或者联盟链不管多强大,也就和局域网一样,成为不了行业标准,只有上了互联网才能成为行业标杆
No matter how powerful an industrial chain or alliance chain is, it is just like the local area network (LAN). It cannot become the industry standard, and only the Internet can become the industry benchmark

我是程zi:
2020 7月18号到底要搞啥,数据库确权?老罗给分析下?@hslayj 
What the hell are we going to do on July 18, 2020? Database confirmation? Lao luo to the analysis? @ hslayj

hslayj:
法律层面的不确定因素很多,其实最重要的还是舆论作用,BTC的谎言被揭穿了,他的市值就到BSV上了
There are a lot of legal uncertainties, but actually the most important one is the effect of public opinion. BTC’s lies were exposed, and his market value went up to BSV

王超蔚:
未来很多币可能就是个局域网,用不上的就死掉是这样吗
In the future, many COINS may be a local area network, do not use the dead is it

hslayj:
对的,用不上的一定死,你觉得这个世界上真的需要3000种不同货币么?目前主流大众还认为CSW博士是骗子,还认为BTC是正版比特币,这就是市场的主流观点
Yes, those that don’t need to die. Do you think the world really needs 3,000 different currencies? At present, the mainstream public still thinks that Dr. CSW is a fraud and BTC is the genuine bitcoin, which is the mainstream view of the market

hslayj:
我给大家讲一下比特币的经济模型,比特币每十分钟目前产量12,5枚,到下半年6.25枚,每四年减半,那么过二十年,这个补贴就没了,谁来养活矿工?
Let me tell you a little bit about the economic model of bitcoin, where we’re producing 12,5 bitcoins every 10 minutes, and by the second half of the year, we’re producing 6.25 bitcoins, and we’re halving it every four years, and then after 20 years, the subsidy is gone, and who’s going to feed the miners?

王超蔚:
请教一下未来几个平台币呢,有生存价值吗,像火币ok都是搞上市,以后币和股又会怎么联系
Consult a few future flat TWD, have survival value, like fire coin ok is to make appear on the market, how will later coin and stock contact

hslayj:
只有最后生存下来的信用数据库通过不断的数据上链的刚性市场需求才能养活矿工,而这就决定了绝大部分币必须死
Only the last surviving credit database can feed the miners through the constant rigid market demand on the data chain, which determines that most of the money must die

铠恺凯:
平台有价值,平台币就有价值,除非那些交易所死了
The platform has value, the flat dollar has value, unless those exchanges are dead

hslayj:
我不看好平台币,也许平台币把自己看成股票,但是他是不受监管的,意味着没有最低准备金要求,没有账户的透明性,没有法律的可触达性,这几点都说明,即使他们想做好事,真的熊市来了,也不一定能够挨过挤兑潮
I’m not a big bet on the nt dollar, maybe the nt dollar sees itself as a stock, but it’s unregulated, which means there’s no reserve requirement, no transparency of accounts, no legal accessibility, all of which means that even if they want to do good, a real bear market is coming, they’re not going to be able to survive a run

hslayj:
交易所的黑幕太多了,随便一查一大把,就不一一列举了,反正我是不碰的,未来监管能够触达了,估计会有好的投资标的,目前不敢去赌人性
The black curtain of the exchange is too much, look up a large number of random, do not enumerate, anyway I am not touched, the future regulation can touch, the estimation will have good investment target, at present dare not go gambling human nature

hslayj:
我对火币和OK有好感,但是我不敢持有他们的平台币就是因为这个原因,金融必须被监管,否则人性从来不可靠,我不想活在每天害怕平台跑路的噩梦里面
I have a good feeling for firemoney and OK, but I dare not hold their nt dollars for this reason. Finance must be regulated, or human nature is never reliable

王超蔚:
这么看不如直接持有他们的股票
It’s better to just hold their shares

hslayj:
区块链能被监管是BSV一直努力的方向,其他币都在屏蔽政府,这个世界除了代码以外,还有很多的维度来理解这个世界,法律是非常重要的人类智慧积累,code is law就是几个不懂事的程序员意淫出来的
The block chain can be regulated is the direction that BSV has been striving for, other currencies are blocking the government, the world in addition to code, there are many dimensions to understand the world, law is a very important accumulation of human wisdom, code is law is a few ignorant programmers psychosexuality

hslayj:
把BSV理解成有风险的高成长股票,把所有币圈其他币都理解成资金盘,就能保证自己的资金安全,回报率这个东西我通常是放在资金安全性后面去考虑的
Think of BSV as a risky high-growth stock, think of all the other COINS as a money sheet, and you can keep your money safe. The rate of return is something that I usually think of behind the safety of my money

CHEER不舍:
@hslayj 要做到零售支付要求 我觉得是稳定币才能做到吧,比如libra dcep,想一下你会用价格波动的货币来日常支付使用吗,所以bsv怎么说?
Hslayj retail payment requirements I think it’s a stable currency, like libra dcep, think you would use a currency with fluctuating prices for daily payments, so what does BSV say?

hslayj:
libra和dcep的逻辑不成立,我不看好。波动大是因为市值小,等到过几年稳定了,链上交易大了,自然不懂就小了,除了国内有微信支付宝,国外的移动支付还是个空白市场,所以价格有变动无所谓,直接用法币标价,bsv可以自动换算
I am not optimistic that the logic of libra and dcep does not hold. Fluctuation is big because market value is small, wait until a few years stable, the trade on the chain is big, nature does not understand small, in addition to home has WeChat pay treasure, foreign mobile pay still is a blank market, so the price has fluctuation does not matter, be marked with legal tender directly, BSV can be converted automatically

CHEER不舍:
dcep马上要退出了 不要几年,大家都得用
Dcep is going to be out in a few years, everybody’s going to have to use it

hslayj:
我不想被请喝茶,所以我只能说我不看好dcep,你如果说他一定可以,我也没办法
I don’t want to be invited to tea, so all I can say is that I’m not a big fan of dcep, and I can’t help it if you say he can

铠恺凯:
中国邮政和顺丰哪个好?
Which is better, China post or sf express?

hslayj:
就是这个思路,慢慢想吧,比特币不是一个产品,是一个生态,理解了这个区别,就知道为什么只有BSV能成功
This is the idea, slowly think, bitcoin is not a product, is an ecology, understand this distinction, you know why only BSV can succeed

Conversation : 2020.2.24 #

hslayj:
Libra、DCEP或者以后其他国家的CBDC本质是从法币体系延续下来的东西,是没有政治中立性的,我不觉得他们和传统的央行有本质的区别,如果一定要多个支付层,类似支付宝和微信支付的东西就可以满足需求了。一旦涉及到政治,就有国界的限制,很难成为全球标准,更不要说容纳所有的人类信用数据了,本质上还是个局域网,可能在某些政府强干预领域有用,但是是不可能取代BSV的全球信用账本作用的。
The essence of Libra, DCEP or later CBDC in other countries is something that has been inherited from the legal currency system and has no political neutrality. I don’t think they are fundamentally different from the traditional central bank. If there must be multiple payment layers, things like alipay and WeChat payment can meet the demand. When it comes to politics, there are national boundaries that make it hard to become a global standard, let alone hold all the human credit data. It is essentially a local area network, which may be useful in some areas of strong government intervention, but is unlikely to replace BSV’s role as a global credit ledger.

hslayj:
而且BSV目前的生态成长来看,他记录的也不仅仅是金融数据、支付数据,而是所有涉及到信用的数据,例如存证系统、企业资源管理系统、医疗管理系统、实名身份系统或者以后陆续仍然可能不断出来的生态位系统,BSV的真正长久愿景是成为人类公共信息的信用数据库,数据放上去了,自然会有多维度的加工、对比和价值链条,也只有这样才能让人们持续愿意使用比特币,最后才能在补贴红利消失后,养活矿工这个群体,并促使他们不断更新基础设施进行生态的持续升级
And has BSV ecological view, his record is not just financial data, payment, but all involve the credit data, such as deposit certificate system, enterprise resource management system, medical management system, identification system, or may still be constantly out in succession after the ecological system, the BSV long-term vision is to become a real human public the credit database of information, data put up, natural will have multidimensional processing, contrast and value chain, only in this way can make people continue to use COINS, can finally disappeared after the subsidy dividends, feed the this group, And to push them to upgrade their infrastructure and upgrade their ecology

hslayj:
相比BSV,所有其他伪币或者仿币,基本都还是产品思路在做区块链,因为万链齐发的逻辑是每个链只要做好自己的事情就足够了,这是BTC CORE当初说链上扩容不可能的生态后发灾难,但是当人们发现自己做链既没有信用,也没有效率时,很多行业链和联盟链最后都会转到BSV上来,因为只有BSV是理论上无限扩容,生态可以无限发展,协议还是承诺长久稳定的,当大家都意识到这个事情发生时,万链齐发就会转向万链归一,毕竟没有人希望土豆价格有个土豆价格链,黄瓜物流有个黄瓜物流链,人们希望简单的界面和统一的标准,并且最后数据能更可能多维度的打通。
BSV, compared to all other counterfeit or imitation COINS, basic block chain or product ideas are doing, because the chain of wan qi logic is each chain is enough as long as you do your things, this is BTC CORE said chain expansion impossible ecological disaster of backwardness, but when people find themselves do chain neither credit nor efficiency, a lot of industry chain and chain alliance eventually transferred to the BSV, because only the BSV is theoretically infinite expansion, ecology can be infinite development, agreement or commitment to stable for a long time, when everyone is aware of the things happen, qi wan chain go to belong to a chain, After all, no one wants a price chain for potatoes, and cucumber logistics has a chain for cucumber logistics. People want a simple interface and unified standards, and finally data can be more multi-dimensional.

hslayj:
大家如果还有什么疑问可以尽管提,不要怕蠢问题,BSV是新生事物,很多地方不懂很正常,讨论一下可能就清晰了,对我来说也是成长,如果回答不了的,我也会实话实说
If you have any questions, please feel free to ask, don’t be afraid of stupid questions, BSV is a new thing, many places do not understand is normal, discuss it may be clear, for me is also growing, if I can not answer, I will tell the truth

蒋杰:
我比较担心bsv本身的开发投入,感觉现在严重不足。看github的提交惨淡
I am concerned about the development of BSV itself and feel that it is seriously underfunded. Look at github’s submission

hslayj:
BSV协议已经锁定了,以后可能就还有一个改bug的硬分叉,以后就没有开发人员什么事了,生态开发属于开发者自有资源,不用太担心,说句极端的话,就算coingeek和csw博士现在不在了,我觉得可能会影响宣传进度,但是生态进度的影响并不大,可以参考一下互联网,网景浏览器出来之前,人们认为互联网的主要作用就是发邮件,还不如电话好用
BSV agreement was already locked, change may be there is a bug of bifurcate, later have no what developers, developers own resources of ecological development, and don’t need to worry too much, say extreme words, even if coingeek and Dr CSW isn’t here right now, I think may influence promote progress, but the effects of ecological progress is not big, you can refer to the Internet, netscape out before, it is thought that the Internet is the main purpose of email, it is better to use telephone

蒋杰:
要建成坚固的基础设施绝对不是固定协议就ok的,基础设施软件一定还需要很多调整
Building a solid infrastructure is by no means a fixed agreement, and infrastructure software must require a lot of tweaking

hslayj:
基础设施软件属于生态系统位置,谁都可以开发,然后进行市场竞争,优胜劣汰、适者生存
Infrastructure software belongs to the ecosystem location, anyone can develop, and then market competition, survival of the fittest, survival of the fittest

蒋杰:
我就觉得和其他两个相比 bsv本身开发偏弱
I think BSV itself is weak compared to the other two

蒋杰:
我最近跑的最新版bsv节点连了很多bch节点,区块同步都出问题
The latest version of BSV node that I ran recently had a lot of BCH nodes connected to it, and the block synchronization was out of order

hslayj:
比特币的基础协议主要决定的挖矿层面的事情,比特币的生态有三层位置,最底层用协议规定好的是挖矿硬件层,然后软件层面是生态系统,鼓励所有人参与建设,然后市场来决定优劣
The basic protocol of bitcoin mainly determines the mining layer. The ecology of bitcoin has three layers. The bottom layer is the mining hardware layer stipulated by the protocol, and then the ecosystem is the software layer

hslayj:
BTC和BCH是把比特币当作一个产品来开发,BSV是把比特币当作一个生态来做,目标不一样,最后的用力方向就不一样
BTC and BCH develop bitcoin as a product, while BSV develop bitcoin as an ecology. If the goal is different, the final force direction will be different

hslayj:
如果把比特币看作一个产品,其他链条看作其他产品,那就是万链齐发的逻辑,但是我们现在也看到了万链齐发的逻辑有很大问题,首先就是没有统一规则,各干各的,ICO乱象坑了多少投资者大家是知道的,BSV这个月才锁定协议,有点bug我觉得也正常,但是只要底层协议是2008年白皮书写的东西,那就不可怕,因为是可预期的更改,但是bch不一样,他冒出来的雪崩、虫洞、收税,都是委员会拍脑袋拍出来的,你不知道以后他们仍然会怎么改,所以永远不会有大企业常驻,因为他们从来不把自己当生态,他们只觉得自己是个产品
If the currency as a product, the other chain as other products, that is the logic of chain have been but now we can see the logic of chain have been there is a big problem, first of all is that there is no uniform rules, each dry, ICO mess pit is known to how many investors, BSV this month to locking protocol, a little bug I think is normal, but as long as the underlying protocol is a white paper written in 2008, that is not terrible, because it is a predictable changes, but is not the same as the BCH, he came out of an avalanche, wormhole, taxes, are committee head pat, You don’t know what they’re still going to do, so there’s never going to be a big company that’s going to stay, because they never think of themselves as ecology, they just think of themselves as a product, right

蒋杰:
固定共识协议这个我是认同的。我只是觉得要支持大区块,现在的区块同步协议还有很多改进空间,比方像迅雷的下载技术。这些都需要持续改进基础软件
Fixed consensus agreement I agree with that. I just think there’s a lot of room for improvement in the current block synchronization protocol to support large blocks, such as xunlei’s download technology. All this requires constant improvement of the underlying software

hslayj:
btc也一样,闪电网络最终会导致交易数据的中间过程丢失,本身在法理上都是违法的,只是目前政府还没有回过味儿来,否则被取缔是迟早的事情,而法律亲和一直是BSV的努力方向,CSW目前在做的实名系统、版权注册、数据库版权追责、英国官方纳税、美国证监会证词,都是在为区块链的合法化打下铺垫
BTC is same also, lightning network will ultimately lead to trading data lost, in the middle of the process itself is illegal, in legal theory is now the government has not came to my taste, otherwise the outlawed is sooner or later, and law and has been the direction of BSV, CSW is doing the real-name system, registration of copyright, and database copyright liability, British officials pay tax, the securities and exchange commission testimony, are in a backseat to block chain legalization

蒋杰:
锁定协议不等于锁定bsv开发
The locking protocol is not the same as locking BSV development

hslayj:
软件开发是一直允许的,只是不在协议层而已,你可以参考一下互联网的tcp/ip协议和普通的应用软件的区别
Software development is always allowed, but not in the protocol layer, you can refer to the Internet TCP/IP protocol and ordinary application software differences

hslayj:
BSV的脚本软件就是专门来做大规模链上服务软件开发的,理论上什么软件都可以做出来
BSV script software is specially to do large-scale chain service software development, in theory what software can be made

hslayj:
你可以去关注一下这次在大会演讲的中国创业者刘博士的演讲,就是专门开发了一个比特币开发软件sCrypt,就是比特币领域的高级编程语言,专门做区块链链上开发用的,也是给很多生态位参与企业构建自己的应用准备的,生态的成长绝不是靠coingeek和csw博士本身就能完善的,是整个行业的觉醒,就好像当初苹果的Appstore
You can go to pay attention to this speech in the conference of the Chinese entrepreneurs to Dr. Liu’s speech, is to develop a currency sCrypt development software, is the currency in the field of high-level programming language, specialises in development with block chain chain, is also to a lot of ecological niche in enterprises ready to build your own application, the growth of ecology is not by Dr Coingeek and CSW itself can be perfect, is the awakening of the whole industry, like apple’s app store

蒋杰:
bsv现在鼓励链上服务开发,给人感觉基础已经准备好了,但我认为基础开发也是欠缺的。大企业会先观望的
BSV now encourages service development on the chain, giving the impression that the foundation is ready, but I think the foundation is also lacking. Big business will wait and see

昊轩:
英国或欧盟能否反抗美国采用比特币,很关键阿
Whether the UK or the eu can resist the us adopting bitcoin is crucial

hslayj:
生态的成长不是一天完成的,例如九十年代也有电商创业,但是没做成亏大发了,只要生态位存在,总有各种各样的创业者来尝试,成功的那天就是一个类似阿里这种级别企业的成功,在巨大机会面前,创业本来就是一个勇敢者游戏
Ecological growth is not complete in a day, for example, in the ninety s have electricity business entrepreneurship, but didn’t make it pretty pathetic, as long as there is niche, always have to try all kinds of entrepreneurs, on the day of success is the success of a similar ali this level enterprise, in front of the huge opportunity, entrepreneurship is a the brave game

hslayj:
反抗采用没用,只要政治家有政治觉悟,就不会拒绝新技术,如果一定要反对,那就是当初日本反对互联网的下场,让新生技术在其他地方成长然后把自己的国家淘汰
Resistance to adoption is useless. As long as politicians have political awareness, they will not reject new technologies

hslayj:
目前很多国家已经把区块链上升到国家战略了,包括中国在内,而目前在我看来,区块链的唯一正确打开方式就是BSV,其他币或者区块链都是邯郸学步,即使做的好的联盟链或者产业链最后也难逃大链吃小链的结局,最好的方式反而是把产业逻辑移植进入BSV,然后成为新世界的标杆,这样的机会反而更大
Now many countries have put a chain of block up to the national strategy, including China, and now, in my opinion, the only open the right way to block chain is BSV, other currency or block chain is handan toddlers, even do good league chain or chain finally can’t escape from the end of the big chain eat small chain, instead of the best way is to put the industry logic transplantation into the BSV, then become the new benchmark, more such opportunity

hslayj:
对的,比特币是一个大生态,只有正确认识到这一点,才不会执迷于私有链的逻辑上,产品建设思维和生态建设思维是两种完全不同的逻辑
Right, bitcoin is a big ecology. Only by correctly recognizing this, can we not be obsessed with the logic of private chain. Product construction thinking and ecological construction thinking are two completely different logics

hslayj:
这个是郁金香的法院程序吧,如果是这样的话,7月到8月应该能看到非常猛烈的市场反应
110万btc和110万bch的市场砸盘效应,再加上中本聪的身份真相大白,这一拳头就可以让BTC和BCH打趴下
这个操作基本就可以坐视CSW的中本聪身份,市场对这个事情的解读会引发蝴蝶效应,是地震级别的
不过之前中本聪说不会砸太狠,会很温柔。。。
中本聪的身份就是BTC的阿克琉斯之踵,以前不知道所以伤不到他,一旦发现了,巨人的倒下是一瞬间的
000This is the tulip court proceedings, if so, July and August should see a very strong market reaction
The market crash effect of 1.1 million BTC and 1.1 million BCH, coupled with the fact that satoshi nakamoto’s identity was revealed, was enough to knock BTC and BCH to the ground
This operation basically allows you to sit back and watch as CSW’s satoshi nakamoto, the market’s interpretation of this thing causes a butterfly effect, an earthquake scale
But before nakamoto said it wouldn’t be too hard, it would be gentle…
Satoshi nakamoto’s identity is the Achilles’ heel of BTC, previously unknown and therefore unable to hurt him, once discovered, the giant’s fall is instantaneous

林:
共识涌现对市场的冲击不会因为中本聪砸的轻而减轻的,有可能是非理性的
The impact of consensus on the market will not be mitigated by Mr Nakamoto, and may be irrational

hslayj:
BSV是真神归位啊,砸BTC的很大一部分人还是相信比特币的,只是没想到BTC是冒牌的
BSV is a true god, a large part of the people who threw BTC still believe in bitcoin, but did not think that BTC is a fake

hslayj:
而且博士也不可能把BTC换法币吧,大部分还是换BSV吧,我猜
And it’s impossible for the doctor to change the BTC into French currency. Most of them will be BSV, I guess

hslayj:
今年的重头戏应该就是这个,明年是减半后的市场联动反应,BSV的关键就是今年和明年了,这个周期需要干掉BTC拿回皇位,否则后面会怎么发展就不好说了
This year’s major drama should be this, next year is the market linkage reaction after halving, the key of BSV is this year and next year, this cycle needs to kill BTC back to the throne, otherwise how will the future development is not to say

重水vs铁粉:
币安今后也会没落。bsv不上架,大饼和bch贬值没什么成交量,收入大幅度下降。那些有bsv的交易所暴富。
Kwon an will also decline in the future. BSV not on the shelf, flat bread and BCH depreciation of little turnover, revenue significantly decreased. The exchanges that had BSV got rich.

hslayj:
币安能活过今年就不错了,政治庇护所都没了,就是一个流浪交易所,消失是瞬间的事情
Yuan an can survive this year is not bad, the political shelter is gone, is a wandering exchange, disappeared is an instant thing

重水vs铁粉:
一切结束后,可以拍部史诗级大片
When it’s over, we can make an epic movie

然:
不过外面相当大的资金都看好他们所谓的黄金btc,信仰的崩塌很要命的。说不定资本宁愿沉睡在btc里面[捂脸]
But there’s a lot of money out there that’s betting on what they call the gold BTC, and the collapse of faith is going to be fatal. Maybe capital would rather sleep in the BTC.

然:
除非博士一剂猛药砸死btc,砸醒所有资本
Unless the doctor a heavy dose of drugs to kill BTC, to wake up all the capital

林:
@hslayj 记得去年博士说过他只会持有82万枚的BSV,至于BTC之类的分叉币今年会出掉,所得资金捐给慈善基金。
Hslayj remembers that last year Dr. Hslayj said he would hold only 820,000 BSVS, and that split COINS like BTC would be issued this year, with the proceeds going to charity.

重水vs铁粉:
残存幻想也没办法,雷曼倒闭也是瞬间
There was no way to survive a fantasy, and lehman’s failure was instantaneous

hslayj:
是的,博士说过郁金香的非BSV资产都会捐给BSV生态建设
Yes, doctor said that tulip non-bsv assets will be donated to BSV ecological construction

林:
所以不要指望博士会拉盘,场外的资金就会疯狂推升BSV的价格了
So don’t count on Bosch to pull the trigger and the off-market money will drive up the price of BSV like crazy

hslayj:
不是,就算他捐给BSV生态建设者,你觉得这些人会持有BTC么,如果相信BTC那套逻辑,那就觉得CSW是骗子,你觉得CSW博士会把钱捐给认为他是骗子的人么,只要参加了BSV建设,相信了BSV的这套逻辑,有多少钱都得尽快换成BSV才安全吧
Not, even if he go to the BSV ecological builder, what do you think of these people will hold BTC, if believe in BTC that set of logic, then think of CSW is a liar, do you think of Dr CSW will donate money to think he is a liar, just attended the BSV construction, believe the BSV this logic, how much money has to be replaced as soon as possible BSV to safety

林:
所以今年除了BSV,其他比特币的分叉币都将面临巨额抛盘。
So this year, with the exception of BSV, all bitcoin bifurcated COINS will face heavy selling.

hslayj:
所以就算博士自己不这么做,只要他把这个基金的币放出来了,那就必然是砸盘BTC,拉盘BSV,给谁都一样,不过他可能慢慢来,免得一下子放血,后面的卖不出去,这是有可能的,资本市场无比残酷,慢一步就是屠宰场
So even if the doctor himself does not do this, as long as he releases the money of this fund, it is bound to be a plate BTC, a plate BSV, to all the same, but he may take his time, so as not to bleed all at once, the latter can not be sold, which is possible, the capital market is very cruel, slow step is the slaughterhouse

我是程zi:
在克莱曼的案子结束前,CSW的巨量BTC肯定不能卖对吧
CSW’s huge BTC can’t be sold until the kleiman case is over, right

hslayj:
是的,属于争议财产,如果动了,就算违反美国法律了,会被抓的
Yes, it’s disputed property. If it’s moved, it’s a violation of U.S. law, and you’ll be caught

我是程zi:
那既然案子都正式宣判了基本宣告了BTC是假的,那世人皆知晓,不会一下子共识就起来了么
That since the case is formally declared that the basic BTC is false, the world knows, will not be a consensus on it

hslayj:
对于博士来说,这反正都是天上掉下来的,无所谓,BSV不动就行,BTC死活又和他无关,只是多赚少赚而已,钱多了就是个数字,比特币正名比数字重要
For the doctor, this is all from the sky anyway, it doesn’t matter, BSV doesn’t move, BTC dead and alive has nothing to do with him, just more money is a number, the name of bitcoin is more important than the number

hslayj:
是的,市场惯性很大,很少有人能够很快反应过来,大部人认为CSW博士是骗子,骗子说什么他们是不信的
Yes, there is a lot of inertia in the market. Very few people can react quickly. Most people think that Dr. CSW is a liar

我是程zi:
只有BTC价格把他们跌服了才会清醒
Only the price of BTC will bring them to their senses

王超蔚:
应该不那么容易死的,总会反抗一下,比如集体黑博士就算是聪也不一定他的路线就是对的
Should not be so easy to die, always resist, such as the group black doctor is not necessarily cong his line is right

hslayj:
比特币不是靠共识撑起来的虚假子,比特币是有用的,比特币是为了建设一个更诚实的世界,成为全人类的公共信用数据库
Bitcoin is not a sham propped up by consensus. It is useful. It is meant to build a more honest world and become a public credit database for all mankind

林:
BTC所谓的共识只是皇帝的新装而已
The BTC consensus is just the emperor’s new clothes

昊轩:
更像是宗教
It’s more like a religion

重水vs铁粉:
宗教算不上吧
Religion doesn’t count.

hslayj:
庞氏骗局也是构架在谎言上的共识,在骗局崩塌之前,每个投资人都以为自己在赚钱
A ponzi scheme is also a consensus built on lies. Before the scheme collapsed, every investor thought he was making money

重水vs铁粉:
没有丝毫内涵,就是“值钱”
Without any connotation, it is “valuable”.

hslayj:
林总说:“对于存款既盈利的交易所来说,博士让人把资产从币安移走对他们的打击是致命的”
“For exchanges where deposits are profitable, it is fatal for them to have their assets moved away from the currency,” Lin said.

重水vs铁粉:
大饼一直不接受监管,参与暗网交易,被收拾迟早的事
Big cake has not been subject to regulation, participate in the dark network transactions, be cleared up sooner or later

hslayj:
对呀,一个举世瞩目的理念,居然说创始人都没有,这么明显的逻辑漏洞,有出问题的一天,一点都不奇怪
Yes, it is not surprising that a world-renowned concept should be said to have no founder, such an obvious logic flaw, and one day something goes wrong

昊轩:
啥也不用干,囤币就能发财,这是邪教
Nothing to do, hoarding money to get rich, this is a cult

重水vs铁粉:
呵呵,美其名曰“数字黄金”,超越黄金
Hehe, beautiful its name is “digital gold”, surmount gold

hslayj:
是的,区块链从被创造的那一天起的愿景就是为了更诚实的世界,结果被一帮流氓、小偷、强盗给搞得面目全非,然后反过来栽赃创始人是骗子~~
Yes, the blockchain’s vision from the day it was created was for a more honest world, only to be turned upside down by a bunch of hooligans, thieves, and robbers, who in turn frame the founder as a fraud

林:
BTC这十几年只是在交易所炒价格,没有什么实际应用价值,标准的庞氏骗局
BTC has been trading on the exchange for more than a decade, with no real value, a standard ponzi scheme, right

重水vs铁粉:
这部币圈大片,类似《基督山恩仇记》
This is a big movie, like the story of monte cristo.

王超蔚:
数字黄金挺搞笑的
Digital gold is funny

hslayj:
主要是Core为了匿名性躲避政府,组织链上扩容,否则根本就没后面那些垃圾币什么事儿了,全球就有一条区块链,谁想玩都可以来,行业标准一确定,也根本不会有那么多骗子来ICO,阻止链上扩容
It is mainly Core to avoid the government for anonymity, expand the capacity on the organizational chain, otherwise there is no matter what the junk money behind, there is a block chain in the world, who wants to play can come, once the industry standard is determined, there will not be so many cheats to ICO, to stop the expansion of the chain

林:
随着减半的日益临近,BTC的价格再不大幅上涨,Core组可能要考虑增发或学BCH抽税了[偷笑]
With the approach of halving, the price of BTC will not rise significantly, the Core group may have to consider additional issuance or tax collection from BCH. [chuckle]

hslayj:
收编BTC只是第一步,下一步就是万币归一,还区块链一个法制生态,然后是万链归一,让所有产业链和联盟链齐心协力,最后就是用诚实的信用积累数据库塑造一个更诚实的人类文明,这种洗涤是全方位的,包括政治、经济、舆论、社会甚至哲学
Collected BTC is only the first step, the next step is all money unto a, also a legal system of ecological chain block, and then the chain unto one, let all the industrial chain and chain alliance together, the last is to use the honest credit accumulation database to shape a more honest human civilization, the washing is comprehensive, including political, economic, social, public opinion and even philosophy

hslayj:
CSW博士眼里是星辰大海,而币圈的骗子池塘里面只有老鼠般的眼光,不在一个层级上,确实也没有多少共鸣之处
Dr CSW’s eyes are a sea of stars, and the swindling pond of coinage has a rat-like look, not on the same level, and indeed not much resonance

重水vs铁粉:
当初博士被core排挤出来,克莱曼还活着吗?
Was claiman still alive when the doc was pushed out by core?

林:
币圈大多数人只关心短期币价的涨跌,什么用比特币去改变世界的这些事情连想都没想过,格局完全不在一个层次。
所以也没有办法理解博士
Most people in the currency circle are only concerned about the rise and fall of the currency price in the short term. They haven’t even thought about changing the world with bitcoin. The pattern is completely different.
So there’s no way to understand the doctor

hslayj:
2010年,CSW博士被几个无政府主义开发者吊销了网站权限,然后博士就以为比特币已经失败了,就把代码权限给了Gavin Anderson,自己跑去找政府去打击暗网和人口贩子了,2013年的时候Dave Kleinman挂了,那个时候博士应该还在和犯罪分子作斗争吧,我的理解是
In 2010, Dr CSW was suspended by several anarchist developer site permissions, then Dr Thought COINS have failed, to access to the code to Gavin Anderson, oneself ran off to get the government to fight the dark web and traffickers, 2013 Dave Kleinman hang up and then Dr Should still fighting and criminals, my understanding is

hslayj:
后来暗网被破,之前有几个人被抓了,当时Gavin Anderson就又引入了一些开发者,15年扩容之争的时候,CSW博士本来想出来主持大局,Gavin Anderson都说CSW是中本聪了,结果被其他开发者删除了比特币源代码的更改权限,相当于后来博士就没办法影响开发进度了,直到17年分叉
Then dark net was broken, a few people before was caught, when Gavin Anderson, and then introduces some developers, a battle over 15 years of expansion, Dr CSW wanted to come out, Gavin Anderson said in CSW is the hearing, the results by other developers to remove the COINS source code changes permissions, equivalent to later can’t do the impact velocity, Dr Until 17 years split ends

hslayj:
网站权限指的是www.bitcoin.org这个网站
Website permission refers to the website www.bitcoin.org
hslayj:
这是早期的比特币对外宣传窗口
This is the early bitcoin publicity window

hslayj:
现在几乎所有人都知道区块链有用,难度作为比特币区块链的原创者还没有其他人了解他的系统能做什么么,怎么可能只是创造一个拥堵不堪的资金盘呢?
As the originator of bitcoin’s blockchain, no one else knows what his system can do. How can it just create a crowded cash tray?

hslayj:
骷髅会的发言:RYU: BSV这1年已经脚踏实地完成了扩容,兑现了交易量最大,手续费最低的诺言。赢得了近400个项目在链上探索,价格创新高,从低点翻了7倍。而其他人如rv,cz还在反复重复几年前的老话,原地踏步,只能说你是个骗子,你是个骗子…好像祥林嫂…
Skull and bones: RYU: BSV this year has been down-to-earth to complete the expansion, to fulfill the largest transaction volume, the lowest commission promise. Won nearly 400 projects in the chain to explore, the price of a new high, from a low of seven times. While others such as rv and cz are still repeating the same old saying of several years ago, staying in the same place, can only say that you are a liar, you are a liar… Like xianglin…

CHEER不舍:
btc的共识没那么容易崩塌的 不受监管有需求就会有市场,而btc是最合适的选择。又是创世区块链货币的身份存在 不是说崩就崩的
The consensus of BTC is not so easy to collapse. If there is a demand, there will be a market, and BTC is the most suitable choice. Is the creation of blockchain currency identity is not said to collapse

hslayj:
生态最重要的就是容量,只有容量够大才能海纳百川、万链归一,而其他区块链产业落地的功能性问题,就让占据BSV生态位的其他竞争者在下一轮中来完成吧。
The most important thing in ecology is capacity. Only when the capacity is large enough can the sea accommodate all rivers and the chain be unified. For the functional problems of the landing of other block chain industries, let other competitors occupying BSV ecological niche complete them in the next round.

hslayj:
100万砸盘,正统性受益,就算不彻底死透,也要没掉半条命
1 million to hit the plate, the benefit of legitimacy, even if not completely dead, also did not lose half a life

hslayj:
正统性受疑
Legitimacy is in doubt

重水vs铁粉:
砸盘是注定的,无论官司输赢,百万大饼肯定要变现
Smash dish is doomed, no matter the lawsuit wins or loses, millions of flatbread must be realized

王超蔚:
对手盘也有很多bsv吧[抠鼻]
There’s a lot of BSV on your hands, too.

重水vs铁粉:
没有那么多了,去年币安下架,对方卖掉很多数量
B: not so much. Last year, the COINS were taken off the shelves and they sold a lot of them

hslayj:
对手盘该砸的,分叉的和去年比特大陆的,币安的早砸了,不会等到现在
The opponent dish should be smashed, bifurcated and last year the bitland, the currency of an early smash, will not wait until now

重水vs铁粉:
几乎没什么威胁了
Almost no threat

王超蔚:
一直听闻比特大陆也有百万bsv的
I’ve been hearing that bitland has millions of BSV

重水vs铁粉:
博士手里各百万大饼和bch,够他们喝一壶
The doctor had a million loaves of bread and BCH in his hand, enough for a pitcher of water

昊轩:
只剩下安全问题
Only safety remains

hslayj:
指望政府关停BTC和BCH还是比较难的,就算最后可能关,也要托很久,会有很长的法律诉讼时间,最重要的还是市场反应,是投资人用自己的钱来决定的
It is still difficult to expect the government to shut down BTC and BCH. Even if the final closure is possible, it will take a long time, there will be a long time for legal proceedings, and the most important thing is the market reaction, which is decided by investors with their own money

重水vs铁粉:
币安下架bsv时几乎所有人都认为bsv死定了纷纷抛售,听闻其中就有比特大陆
When coinan pulled BSV from the shelves, almost everyone thought BSV was dead and sold off. They heard that bitcoin was one of them

hslayj:
BTC的逻辑金身是减半永远涨的逻辑,如果这两年这个逻辑被打破了,btc就没人会要了,如果他不能一直涨,又没有啥其他用,大家为什么还要买他
BTC’s logic gold body is the logic of halving forever rise, if this logic is broken in the past two years, BTC no one will want, if he can’t keep rising, and there is no other use, why should we buy him

曾健:
BTC一旦还会涨,是不是更容易一些
Once BTC will go up, is it easier

hslayj:
如果BTC一直还涨,那么可能很多人还是有持有BTC的理由的,直到这个逻辑打破的那一天,也就是BTC养不起矿工的那一天
If BTC continues to rise, then many people may still have a reason to hold BTC until the day this logic breaks down, that is, the day BTC cannot support the miners

hslayj:
btc和bsv的产量逻辑和稀有度逻辑都是一样的,btc能干的bsv都能干,bsv亲和法律、交易费低、无限扩容、全球信用账本,这些功能btc都没有,如果没有永远涨的逻辑,btc在bsv面前就什么都不是
BTC and BSV output logic and rarer logic are the same, BTC capable of BSV are capable of BSV, BSV affinity law, low transaction fees, unlimited expansion, global credit book, these functions BTC is not, if there is no forever rising logic, BTC is nothing in front of BSV

hslayj:
而且btc本身就是一个谎言的集合体,只是不知道这些谎言什么时候被主流投资者接受而已
And BTC itself is a collection of lies, just don’t know when those lies will be accepted by mainstream investors

CHEER不舍:
btc今年减半后矿工成本已经达到10000美元以上 btc不涨的话恐怕要矿难 静观其变看市场发展
After BTC halved this year, the cost of miners has reached more than $10,000

曾健:
抛开价格,从应用角度,在当前时候,我们这些BSV小白能做些什么最好
Regardless of the price, from the perspective of application, at the present time, what can we do best BSV white

重水vs铁粉:
等遨游浏览器上链,体验一下
Such as navigation on the browser chain, experience

hslayj:
这个不好说,看个人擅长什么吧,有人做布道和科普,有人做系统开发,有人挖矿,听说coingeek马上会有一个比特币开发培训的课程和认证考试,是否投资是个人决策,我在群里就不说了,免得违反一些规定。
This is difficult to say, to see what the individual is good at, some preach and popular science, some do system development, some mining, heard that coingeek will soon have a bitcoin development training course and certification exam, whether to invest is a personal decision, I will not say in the group, in case of violating some rules.

hslayj:
如果项目好,coingeek和csw博士都有创业基金可以投资生态
If the project is good, both Dr Coingeek and Dr CSW have start-up funds to invest in ecology

昊轩:
小白搞宣传,币价越高算力越多,你的投资越安全
Small white engage in publicity, the higher the price of the more power, the safer your investment

hslayj:
骷髅会的刘博士开发的比特币高级脚本语言据说拿了CA五百万美金的风投
Skull and bones’ advanced scripting language for bitcoin, developed by Dr Liu, reportedly received $5m in venture capital

hslayj:
总之,目前的BSV就是95年的互联网,处在产业爆发的前夜,可能是我们这辈人这辈子最大的机遇了
In short, the current BSV is the Internet of ‘95, on the eve of the industry explosion, which may be the greatest opportunity in the lifetime of our generation

然:
主要是大量资本带动众多韭菜讲btc黄金的故事,大家都深信不疑,就会涨涨涨[愉快]
It is mainly a large amount of capital to drive many leeks to tell the story of BTC gold, everyone believes it, it will go up [happy]

hslayj:
1万美金也就2000亿市值而已,互联网的市值总和是多少,对于区块链和比特币要做的事情来说,现在的币圈就是一个小池塘,根本没有放在CSW中本聪博士的眼里
Ten thousand dollars is the market value of 200 billion dollars. What is the total market value of the Internet? For blockchain and bitcoin to do things, the current coin circle is a small pond, which is not in the eyes of Dr. Bensatsu in CSW

重水vs铁粉:
一旦丢掉市值第一,btc“数字黄金”共识会慢慢退却
Once the market cap is lost, the BTC “digital gold” consensus slowly fades

hslayj:
信用就是现代商业的氧气,而区块链比特币会重新构造现代世界的信用形成过程或获取途径
Credit is the oxygen of modern commerce, and blockchain bitcoin will reconstruct the credit formation process or access in the modern world

然:
对啊,他们都会认为,嗯,还没达到八万亿,还会涨[愉快]
Yeah, they all think, well, it’s not $8 trillion, it’s going to go up.

hslayj:
如果没有中本聪,有可能,但是BSV相当于在BTC主动脉上放了根抽水泵,对于BSVer来说,最大的韭菜就是BTCer
If it wasn’t for satoshi nakamoto, it might be, but BSV is equivalent to putting a pump on the BTC aorta, and for BSVer, the biggest leek is the BTCer

重水vs铁粉:
近期不少大v也开始谈论bsv,关注的人越来越多
Recently many big v also began to talk about BSV, more and more people pay attention to

hslayj:
投资是个人决策,需要自负盈亏的,我说的也不一定对,你听听就好~~
Investment is a personal decision, need to be self-financing, I said is not necessarily right, you listen to good ~~

CHEER不舍:
@hslayj 你觉得区块链国内国外谁会做得更好,哪个环境更好?
Hslayj: who do you think will do better in blockchain, and which environment?

hslayj:
目前肯定是国外好一些,国内被bch带歪了
At present, it must be better in foreign countries, because BCH has taken China awry

hslayj:
我出来做科普,也有这方面的原因,国内有水平又愿意分享的人还是蛮少的,等到这套逻辑大家都懂了,把更多机会留在国内,其实真的懂了BSV的逻辑,其实也没那么难。只是大部分人还是以为CSW是骗子,所以不愿意去倾听和了解而已
I came out to do the science, also have this aspect of the reason, the domestic level and willing to share the people are still very few, wait until this logic is understood, more opportunities to stay in China, in fact really understand the logic of BSV, in fact, it is not so difficult. It’s just that most people still think CSW is a fraud, so they don’t want to listen and understand

hslayj:
其实对自己投资最负责任的做法是,看看BTC、BCH、BSV各自都在干什么、说什么、承诺了什么,之前的承诺变现了没有,多方兼听,才能对自己的投资负责
In fact, the most responsible approach to their own investment is to see what BTC, BCH, BSV each are doing, say what, promised what, the previous commitment is realized, multi-listen, in order to be responsible for their own investment

然:
现状是bsv做的,除比特系外,别的项目也在做,也有亮点
The current situation is BSV, in addition to the bit department, other projects are also doing, there are also highlights

hslayj:
除了BSV,其他的项目所谓的亮点都是产品亮点,BSV做的是生态,和其他项目不在一条赛道上
Apart from BSV, the so-called highlights of other projects are product highlights. BSV does ecology, which is not on the same track as other projects

然:
讨论到这里,就讨论讨论吧,比如以太的defi故事
So much for the discussion, like ETH’s defi story

hslayj:
以太坊是创造资金盘的资金盘,ICO代表的defi是非法融资的代名词,以太坊的成功之路是由投资人的血肉铺成的
Ethereum is the money board that creates the money board, the defi represented by ICO is a synonym for illegal financing, and ethereum’s path to success is paved with the blood of its investors

hslayj:
更别说他本身不是去中心化,他非要说自己去中心化,整天都在改模型、改代码,根本上不了大应用,挖矿模式注定了是巨头垄断模式,以太坊如果觉悟的早,早点转移到BSV上来,然后补充好他的合法性,也许暂时还有点用,如果在POS这条路上走到黑,那么他和他的投资人都不会有明天
Let alone he itself is not decentralization, he must say oneself to decentralized, all day in the code model, the change is, basically no big applications, mining mode is doomed giant monopoly, etheric lane if consciousness of the early, transferred to the BSV up early, and then added the legitimacy of the good he, perhaps temporarily and use point, if the POS this road walk to black, then he and his investors will not have tomorrow

hslayj:
如果BSV能干所有事,为什么我们需要一万条其他的链呢,所以不管他们的产品亮点是什么,只要没有形成产业标准没有上BSV,那么他们就是一个私有链,等待被主链吞并是私有链的唯一归宿
If BSV can do everything, why do we need 10,000 other chains? So no matter what their product highlights are, as long as they don’t form an industry standard and have BSV, then they are a private chain, waiting to be absorbed by the main chain is the only destination of the private chain

hslayj:
eth唯一逻辑成立的前提是比特币是图灵不完备的,无法做智能合约,这是V神前面几年一直强调的事情,但是BSV一扩容,脚本语言、数据库这些产品都出来了,就说明比特币是图灵完备的,根本不需要以太坊在那里自作聪明
The only logical premise for eth is that bitcoin is Turing incomplete, unable to do intelligent contract, which is something that V has been emphasizing for the past few years, but the expansion of BSV, scripting language, database and other products, shows that bitcoin is Turing complete, there is no need for ethereum to be smart

hslayj:
之所以当初的BTC做不了智能合约的唯一原因,是因为Core不愿意扩容,仅此而已
The only reason the original BTC wasn’t a smart contract was because Core didn’t want to expand, that’s all

hslayj:
目前的区块链乱象的根源就是当初BTC不愿意扩容,最后导致很多区块链可以做的事情,人们没办法通过btc做,就只有自己开发私有链、行业链、联盟链,最后万链齐发。而BSV已经证明了无限扩容是可能的,那整个生态乱象最后就会走向万链归一,这个逻辑过程能明白,就明白为什么其他币都是资金盘,都没有存在的必要和土壤,因为人们不需要那么多链,就如同人们只需要一个互联网一样。
The current block chain chaos is the origin of the original BTC is not willing to expand capacity, and finally lead to a lot of block chain can do things, people can not do through BTC, only their own development of private chain, industry chain, alliance chain, and finally all the chain. And BSV has proved that unlimited expansion is possible, that the whole ecological chaos will eventually go to the chain of one, the logical process can understand, understand why other money is money, there is no need and soil, because people do not need so many chains, just like people only need an Internet.

hslayj:
而唯一有勇气号称万链归一并且这么做的人,只有区块链的发明人中本聪本人,其他人甚至口号都不敢喊
The only person with the courage to claim that all chains belong and do so is satoshi nakamoto, the inventor of the blockchain

然:
兄弟认为下一轮牛市爆发的引爆点是什么
What do brothers think is the tipping point for the next bull market

hslayj:
不知道,也许是郁金香,也许是减半,也许是BSV生态中的应用,也许是华尔街的大手笔投资,也许是国家层面的政府支持,也许是法币体系的逃难者,都有可能吧
I don’t know. Maybe it’s tulips, maybe it’s a half, maybe it’s BSV ecology, maybe it’s a big investment by Wall Street, maybe it’s government support at the national level, maybe it’s a runaway from the legal currency system

然:
另外,对于高昂的税收,对于超级富豪而言,对于bsv的拥抱政府的理念,是否不利于他们入场bsv
In addition, for the high taxes, for the super-rich, the idea of embracing the government for BSV, whether it is not good for them to enter BSV

hslayj:
税收是一个国家区域概念,有的地方高税收,就会有地方低税收,最后低税收的地区区块链发展的好,高税收的地区发展的不好,就形成了产业梯度,只要区块链是有价值的,那些产业梯度更高的地区就会成为榜样,最后促使所有地区都降低税收
Tax is a national regional concept, in some places high taxes, there will be local low taxes, the low tax area block the development of the chain is good, high taxes of regional development is not good, it formed the industrial gradient, as long as the chain block is valuable, the region will become the model for the higher industry gradient, finally to promote all regions to reduce taxes

hslayj:
这属于政治层面的博弈论,错过产业创新潮即使对大国来说,都是难以承受的代价,可以参考闭关锁国的大清
This is political game theory, and missing out on a wave of industrial innovation is an unbearable price to pay even for big countries, which can refer to the great qing dynasty

然:
拥有私钥就拥有了一切,任何人任何强权都拿不走,bsv拥抱政府,是否就代表这句话变成假命题了
The possession of the private key is the possession of everything, no one or any power can take it away, BSV embrace the government, whether this sentence has become a false proposition

hslayj:
是的,违法乱纪的人,是会被没收财产的,有私钥也没用
Yes, those who violate the law and discipline will have their property confiscated, and it is useless to have a private key

然:
那这要求法律体系相当相当成熟,
不然,只要谁关系硬,就能欺负你
That requires a fairly sophisticated legal system,
Otherwise, as long as who is hard, can bully you

hslayj:
也不是,我估计最后会有一个联合国区块链委员会来执行各个国家的法律冻结请求,然后统一矿工行为来进行冻结,国家博弈决定这种管控也不会是全方面的,能有国际最小共识就不错了
No, I expect that eventually there will be a UN blockchain committee to implement the legal freeze request of each country, and then the miners’ behavior will be unified to conduct the freeze. The national game will decide that such control will not be comprehensive, and it is good to have a minimum international consensus

hslayj:
估计中国、美国、欧盟、英国的法律权重影响会大一些
It is estimated that the legal weight of China, the United States, the European Union and the United Kingdom will have a greater impact

hslayj:
主要是针对贩毒、反黑、反恐、洗钱、盗窃这种明目张胆的犯罪,如果有政治争议,可能不会那么容易统一意见,实名系统目前还没出来,所以到底怎么样还是在猜测阶段
It is mainly for drug trafficking, anti-black, anti-terrorist, money laundering, theft and other blatant crimes. If there is a political dispute, it may not be so easy to agree

Conversation : 2020.2.24 #

hslayj:
Libra、DCEP或者以后其他国家的CBDC本质是从法币体系延续下来的东西,是没有政治中立性的,我不觉得他们和传统的央行有本质的区别,如果一定要多个支付层,类似支付宝和微信支付的东西就可以满足需求了。一旦涉及到政治,就有国界的限制,很难成为全球标准,更不要说容纳所有的人类信用数据了,本质上还是个局域网,可能在某些政府强干预领域有用,但是是不可能取代BSV的全球信用账本作用的。
The essence of Libra, DCEP or later CBDC in other countries is something that has been inherited from the legal currency system and has no political neutrality. I don’t think they are fundamentally different from the traditional central bank. If there must be multiple payment layers, things like alipay and WeChat payment can meet the demand. When it comes to politics, there are national boundaries that make it hard to become a global standard, let alone hold all the human credit data. It is essentially a local area network, which may be useful in some areas of strong government intervention, but is unlikely to replace BSV’s role as a global credit ledger.

hslayj:
而且BSV目前的生态成长来看,他记录的也不仅仅是金融数据、支付数据,而是所有涉及到信用的数据,例如存证系统、企业资源管理系统、医疗管理系统、实名身份系统或者以后陆续仍然可能不断出来的生态位系统,BSV的真正长久愿景是成为人类公共信息的信用数据库,数据放上去了,自然会有多维度的加工、对比和价值链条,也只有这样才能让人们持续愿意使用比特币,最后才能在补贴红利消失后,养活矿工这个群体,并促使他们不断更新基础设施进行生态的持续升级
And has BSV ecological view, his record is not just financial data, payment, but all involve the credit data, such as deposit certificate system, enterprise resource management system, medical management system, identification system, or may still be constantly out in succession after the ecological system, the BSV long-term vision is to become a real human public the credit database of information, data put up, natural will have multidimensional processing, contrast and value chain, only in this way can make people continue to use COINS, can finally disappeared after the subsidy dividends, feed the this group, And to push them to upgrade their infrastructure and upgrade their ecology

hslayj:
相比BSV,所有其他伪币或者仿币,基本都还是产品思路在做区块链,因为万链齐发的逻辑是每个链只要做好自己的事情就足够了,这是BTC CORE当初说链上扩容不可能的生态后发灾难,但是当人们发现自己做链既没有信用,也没有效率时,很多行业链和联盟链最后都会转到BSV上来,因为只有BSV是理论上无限扩容,生态可以无限发展,协议还是承诺长久稳定的,当大家都意识到这个事情发生时,万链齐发就会转向万链归一,毕竟没有人希望土豆价格有个土豆价格链,黄瓜物流有个黄瓜物流链,人们希望简单的界面和统一的标准,并且最后数据能更可能多维度的打通。
BSV, compared to all other counterfeit or imitation COINS, basic block chain or product ideas are doing, because the chain of wan qi logic is each chain is enough as long as you do your things, this is BTC CORE said chain expansion impossible ecological disaster of backwardness, but when people find themselves do chain neither credit nor efficiency, a lot of industry chain and chain alliance eventually transferred to the BSV, because only the BSV is theoretically infinite expansion, ecology can be infinite development, agreement or commitment to stable for a long time, when everyone is aware of the things happen, qi wan chain go to belong to a chain, After all, no one wants a price chain for potatoes, and cucumber logistics has a chain for cucumber logistics. People want a simple interface and unified standards, and finally data can be more multi-dimensional.

hslayj:
大家如果还有什么疑问可以尽管提,不要怕蠢问题,BSV是新生事物,很多地方不懂很正常,讨论一下可能就清晰了,对我来说也是成长,如果回答不了的,我也会实话实说
If you have any questions, please feel free to ask, don’t be afraid of stupid questions, BSV is a new thing, many places do not understand is normal, discuss it may be clear, for me is also growing, if I can not answer, I will tell the truth

蒋杰:
我比较担心bsv本身的开发投入,感觉现在严重不足。看github的提交惨淡
I am concerned about the development of BSV itself and feel that it is seriously underfunded. Look at github’s submission

hslayj:
BSV协议已经锁定了,以后可能就还有一个改bug的硬分叉,以后就没有开发人员什么事了,生态开发属于开发者自有资源,不用太担心,说句极端的话,就算coingeek和csw博士现在不在了,我觉得可能会影响宣传进度,但是生态进度的影响并不大,可以参考一下互联网,网景浏览器出来之前,人们认为互联网的主要作用就是发邮件,还不如电话好用
BSV agreement was already locked, change may be there is a bug of bifurcate, later have no what developers, developers own resources of ecological development, and don’t need to worry too much, say extreme words, even if coingeek and Dr CSW isn’t here right now, I think may influence promote progress, but the effects of ecological progress is not big, you can refer to the Internet, netscape out before, it is thought that the Internet is the main purpose of email, it is better to use telephone

蒋杰:
要建成坚固的基础设施绝对不是固定协议就ok的,基础设施软件一定还需要很多调整
Building a solid infrastructure is by no means a fixed agreement, and infrastructure software must require a lot of tweaking

hslayj:
基础设施软件属于生态系统位置,谁都可以开发,然后进行市场竞争,优胜劣汰、适者生存
Infrastructure software belongs to the ecosystem location, anyone can develop, and then market competition, survival of the fittest, survival of the fittest

蒋杰:
我就觉得和其他两个相比 bsv本身开发偏弱
I think BSV itself is weak compared to the other two

蒋杰:
我最近跑的最新版bsv节点连了很多bch节点,区块同步都出问题
The latest version of BSV node that I ran recently had a lot of BCH nodes connected to it, and the block synchronization was out of order

hslayj:
比特币的基础协议主要决定的挖矿层面的事情,比特币的生态有三层位置,最底层用协议规定好的是挖矿硬件层,然后软件层面是生态系统,鼓励所有人参与建设,然后市场来决定优劣
The basic protocol of bitcoin mainly determines the mining layer. The ecology of bitcoin has three layers. The bottom layer is the mining hardware layer stipulated by the protocol, and then the ecosystem is the software layer

hslayj:
BTC和BCH是把比特币当作一个产品来开发,BSV是把比特币当作一个生态来做,目标不一样,最后的用力方向就不一样
BTC and BCH develop bitcoin as a product, while BSV develop bitcoin as an ecology. If the goal is different, the final force direction will be different

hslayj:
如果把比特币看作一个产品,其他链条看作其他产品,那就是万链齐发的逻辑,但是我们现在也看到了万链齐发的逻辑有很大问题,首先就是没有统一规则,各干各的,ICO乱象坑了多少投资者大家是知道的,BSV这个月才锁定协议,有点bug我觉得也正常,但是只要底层协议是2008年白皮书写的东西,那就不可怕,因为是可预期的更改,但是bch不一样,他冒出来的雪崩、虫洞、收税,都是委员会拍脑袋拍出来的,你不知道以后他们仍然会怎么改,所以永远不会有大企业常驻,因为他们从来不把自己当生态,他们只觉得自己是个产品
If the currency as a product, the other chain as other products, that is the logic of chain have been but now we can see the logic of chain have been there is a big problem, first of all is that there is no uniform rules, each dry, ICO mess pit is known to how many investors, BSV this month to locking protocol, a little bug I think is normal, but as long as the underlying protocol is a white paper written in 2008, that is not terrible, because it is a predictable changes, but is not the same as the BCH, he came out of an avalanche, wormhole, taxes, are committee head pat, You don’t know what they’re still going to do, so there’s never going to be a big company that’s going to stay, because they never think of themselves as ecology, they just think of themselves as a product, right

蒋杰:
固定共识协议这个我是认同的。我只是觉得要支持大区块,现在的区块同步协议还有很多改进空间,比方像迅雷的下载技术。这些都需要持续改进基础软件
Fixed consensus agreement I agree with that. I just think there’s a lot of room for improvement in the current block synchronization protocol to support large blocks, such as xunlei’s download technology. All this requires constant improvement of the underlying software

hslayj:
btc也一样,闪电网络最终会导致交易数据的中间过程丢失,本身在法理上都是违法的,只是目前政府还没有回过味儿来,否则被取缔是迟早的事情,而法律亲和一直是BSV的努力方向,CSW目前在做的实名系统、版权注册、数据库版权追责、英国官方纳税、美国证监会证词,都是在为区块链的合法化打下铺垫
BTC is same also, lightning network will ultimately lead to trading data lost, in the middle of the process itself is illegal, in legal theory is now the government has not came to my taste, otherwise the outlawed is sooner or later, and law and has been the direction of BSV, CSW is doing the real-name system, registration of copyright, and database copyright liability, British officials pay tax, the securities and exchange commission testimony, are in a backseat to block chain legalization

蒋杰:
锁定协议不等于锁定bsv开发
The locking protocol is not the same as locking BSV development

hslayj:
软件开发是一直允许的,只是不在协议层而已,你可以参考一下互联网的tcp/ip协议和普通的应用软件的区别
Software development is always allowed, but not in the protocol layer, you can refer to the Internet TCP/IP protocol and ordinary application software differences

hslayj:
BSV的脚本软件就是专门来做大规模链上服务软件开发的,理论上什么软件都可以做出来
BSV script software is specially to do large-scale chain service software development, in theory what software can be made

hslayj:
你可以去关注一下这次在大会演讲的中国创业者刘博士的演讲,就是专门开发了一个比特币开发软件sCrypt,就是比特币领域的高级编程语言,专门做区块链链上开发用的,也是给很多生态位参与企业构建自己的应用准备的,生态的成长绝不是靠coingeek和csw博士本身就能完善的,是整个行业的觉醒,就好像当初苹果的Appstore
You can go to pay attention to this speech in the conference of the Chinese entrepreneurs to Dr. Liu’s speech, is to develop a currency sCrypt development software, is the currency in the field of high-level programming language, specialises in development with block chain chain, is also to a lot of ecological niche in enterprises ready to build your own application, the growth of ecology is not by Dr Coingeek and CSW itself can be perfect, is the awakening of the whole industry, like apple’s app store

蒋杰:
bsv现在鼓励链上服务开发,给人感觉基础已经准备好了,但我认为基础开发也是欠缺的。大企业会先观望的
BSV now encourages service development on the chain, giving the impression that the foundation is ready, but I think the foundation is also lacking. Big business will wait and see

昊轩:
英国或欧盟能否反抗美国采用比特币,很关键阿
Whether the UK or the eu can resist the us adopting bitcoin is crucial

hslayj:
生态的成长不是一天完成的,例如九十年代也有电商创业,但是没做成亏大发了,只要生态位存在,总有各种各样的创业者来尝试,成功的那天就是一个类似阿里这种级别企业的成功,在巨大机会面前,创业本来就是一个勇敢者游戏
Ecological growth is not complete in a day, for example, in the ninety s have electricity business entrepreneurship, but didn’t make it pretty pathetic, as long as there is niche, always have to try all kinds of entrepreneurs, on the day of success is the success of a similar ali this level enterprise, in front of the huge opportunity, entrepreneurship is a the brave game

hslayj:
反抗采用没用,只要政治家有政治觉悟,就不会拒绝新技术,如果一定要反对,那就是当初日本反对互联网的下场,让新生技术在其他地方成长然后把自己的国家淘汰
Resistance to adoption is useless. As long as politicians have political awareness, they will not reject new technologies

hslayj:
目前很多国家已经把区块链上升到国家战略了,包括中国在内,而目前在我看来,区块链的唯一正确打开方式就是BSV,其他币或者区块链都是邯郸学步,即使做的好的联盟链或者产业链最后也难逃大链吃小链的结局,最好的方式反而是把产业逻辑移植进入BSV,然后成为新世界的标杆,这样的机会反而更大
Now many countries have put a chain of block up to the national strategy, including China, and now, in my opinion, the only open the right way to block chain is BSV, other currency or block chain is handan toddlers, even do good league chain or chain finally can’t escape from the end of the big chain eat small chain, instead of the best way is to put the industry logic transplantation into the BSV, then become the new benchmark, more such opportunity

hslayj:
对的,比特币是一个大生态,只有正确认识到这一点,才不会执迷于私有链的逻辑上,产品建设思维和生态建设思维是两种完全不同的逻辑
Right, bitcoin is a big ecology. Only by correctly recognizing this, can we not be obsessed with the logic of private chain. Product construction thinking and ecological construction thinking are two completely different logics

hslayj:
这个是郁金香的法院程序吧,如果是这样的话,7月到8月应该能看到非常猛烈的市场反应
110万btc和110万bch的市场砸盘效应,再加上中本聪的身份真相大白,这一拳头就可以让BTC和BCH打趴下
这个操作基本就可以坐视CSW的中本聪身份,市场对这个事情的解读会引发蝴蝶效应,是地震级别的
不过之前中本聪说不会砸太狠,会很温柔。。。
中本聪的身份就是BTC的阿克琉斯之踵,以前不知道所以伤不到他,一旦发现了,巨人的倒下是一瞬间的
000This is the tulip court proceedings, if so, July and August should see a very strong market reaction
The market crash effect of 1.1 million BTC and 1.1 million BCH, coupled with the fact that satoshi nakamoto’s identity was revealed, was enough to knock BTC and BCH to the ground
This operation basically allows you to sit back and watch as CSW’s satoshi nakamoto, the market’s interpretation of this thing causes a butterfly effect, an earthquake scale
But before nakamoto said it wouldn’t be too hard, it would be gentle…
Satoshi nakamoto’s identity is the Achilles’ heel of BTC, previously unknown and therefore unable to hurt him, once discovered, the giant’s fall is instantaneous

林:
共识涌现对市场的冲击不会因为中本聪砸的轻而减轻的,有可能是非理性的
The impact of consensus on the market will not be mitigated by Mr Nakamoto, and may be irrational

hslayj:
BSV是真神归位啊,砸BTC的很大一部分人还是相信比特币的,只是没想到BTC是冒牌的
BSV is a true god, a large part of the people who threw BTC still believe in bitcoin, but did not think that BTC is a fake

hslayj:
而且博士也不可能把BTC换法币吧,大部分还是换BSV吧,我猜
And it’s impossible for the doctor to change the BTC into French currency. Most of them will be BSV, I guess

hslayj:
今年的重头戏应该就是这个,明年是减半后的市场联动反应,BSV的关键就是今年和明年了,这个周期需要干掉BTC拿回皇位,否则后面会怎么发展就不好说了
This year’s major drama should be this, next year is the market linkage reaction after halving, the key of BSV is this year and next year, this cycle needs to kill BTC back to the throne, otherwise how will the future development is not to say

重水vs铁粉:
币安今后也会没落。bsv不上架,大饼和bch贬值没什么成交量,收入大幅度下降。那些有bsv的交易所暴富。
Kwon an will also decline in the future. BSV not on the shelf, flat bread and BCH depreciation of little turnover, revenue significantly decreased. The exchanges that had BSV got rich.

hslayj:
币安能活过今年就不错了,政治庇护所都没了,就是一个流浪交易所,消失是瞬间的事情
Yuan an can survive this year is not bad, the political shelter is gone, is a wandering exchange, disappeared is an instant thing

重水vs铁粉:
一切结束后,可以拍部史诗级大片
When it’s over, we can make an epic movie

然:
不过外面相当大的资金都看好他们所谓的黄金btc,信仰的崩塌很要命的。说不定资本宁愿沉睡在btc里面[捂脸]
But there’s a lot of money out there that’s betting on what they call the gold BTC, and the collapse of faith is going to be fatal. Maybe capital would rather sleep in the BTC.

然:
除非博士一剂猛药砸死btc,砸醒所有资本
Unless the doctor a heavy dose of drugs to kill BTC, to wake up all the capital

林:
@hslayj 记得去年博士说过他只会持有82万枚的BSV,至于BTC之类的分叉币今年会出掉,所得资金捐给慈善基金。
Hslayj remembers that last year Dr. Hslayj said he would hold only 820,000 BSVS, and that split COINS like BTC would be issued this year, with the proceeds going to charity.

重水vs铁粉:
残存幻想也没办法,雷曼倒闭也是瞬间
There was no way to survive a fantasy, and lehman’s failure was instantaneous

hslayj:
是的,博士说过郁金香的非BSV资产都会捐给BSV生态建设
Yes, doctor said that tulip non-bsv assets will be donated to BSV ecological construction

林:
所以不要指望博士会拉盘,场外的资金就会疯狂推升BSV的价格了
So don’t count on Bosch to pull the trigger and the off-market money will drive up the price of BSV like crazy

hslayj:
不是,就算他捐给BSV生态建设者,你觉得这些人会持有BTC么,如果相信BTC那套逻辑,那就觉得CSW是骗子,你觉得CSW博士会把钱捐给认为他是骗子的人么,只要参加了BSV建设,相信了BSV的这套逻辑,有多少钱都得尽快换成BSV才安全吧
Not, even if he go to the BSV ecological builder, what do you think of these people will hold BTC, if believe in BTC that set of logic, then think of CSW is a liar, do you think of Dr CSW will donate money to think he is a liar, just attended the BSV construction, believe the BSV this logic, how much money has to be replaced as soon as possible BSV to safety

林:
所以今年除了BSV,其他比特币的分叉币都将面临巨额抛盘。
So this year, with the exception of BSV, all bitcoin bifurcated COINS will face heavy selling.

hslayj:
所以就算博士自己不这么做,只要他把这个基金的币放出来了,那就必然是砸盘BTC,拉盘BSV,给谁都一样,不过他可能慢慢来,免得一下子放血,后面的卖不出去,这是有可能的,资本市场无比残酷,慢一步就是屠宰场
So even if the doctor himself does not do this, as long as he releases the money of this fund, it is bound to be a plate BTC, a plate BSV, to all the same, but he may take his time, so as not to bleed all at once, the latter can not be sold, which is possible, the capital market is very cruel, slow step is the slaughterhouse

我是程zi:
在克莱曼的案子结束前,CSW的巨量BTC肯定不能卖对吧
CSW’s huge BTC can’t be sold until the kleiman case is over, right

hslayj:
是的,属于争议财产,如果动了,就算违反美国法律了,会被抓的
Yes, it’s disputed property. If it’s moved, it’s a violation of U.S. law, and you’ll be caught

我是程zi:
那既然案子都正式宣判了基本宣告了BTC是假的,那世人皆知晓,不会一下子共识就起来了么
That since the case is formally declared that the basic BTC is false, the world knows, will not be a consensus on it

hslayj:
对于博士来说,这反正都是天上掉下来的,无所谓,BSV不动就行,BTC死活又和他无关,只是多赚少赚而已,钱多了就是个数字,比特币正名比数字重要
For the doctor, this is all from the sky anyway, it doesn’t matter, BSV doesn’t move, BTC dead and alive has nothing to do with him, just more money is a number, the name of bitcoin is more important than the number

hslayj:
是的,市场惯性很大,很少有人能够很快反应过来,大部人认为CSW博士是骗子,骗子说什么他们是不信的
Yes, there is a lot of inertia in the market. Very few people can react quickly. Most people think that Dr. CSW is a liar

我是程zi:
只有BTC价格把他们跌服了才会清醒
Only the price of BTC will bring them to their senses

王超蔚:
应该不那么容易死的,总会反抗一下,比如集体黑博士就算是聪也不一定他的路线就是对的
Should not be so easy to die, always resist, such as the group black doctor is not necessarily cong his line is right

hslayj:
比特币不是靠共识撑起来的虚假子,比特币是有用的,比特币是为了建设一个更诚实的世界,成为全人类的公共信用数据库
Bitcoin is not a sham propped up by consensus. It is useful. It is meant to build a more honest world and become a public credit database for all mankind

林:
BTC所谓的共识只是皇帝的新装而已
The BTC consensus is just the emperor’s new clothes

昊轩:
更像是宗教
It’s more like a religion

重水vs铁粉:
宗教算不上吧
Religion doesn’t count.

hslayj:
庞氏骗局也是构架在谎言上的共识,在骗局崩塌之前,每个投资人都以为自己在赚钱
A ponzi scheme is also a consensus built on lies. Before the scheme collapsed, every investor thought he was making money

重水vs铁粉:
没有丝毫内涵,就是“值钱”
Without any connotation, it is “valuable”.

hslayj:
林总说:“对于存款既盈利的交易所来说,博士让人把资产从币安移走对他们的打击是致命的”
“For exchanges where deposits are profitable, it is fatal for them to have their assets moved away from the currency,” Lin said.

重水vs铁粉:
大饼一直不接受监管,参与暗网交易,被收拾迟早的事
Big cake has not been subject to regulation, participate in the dark network transactions, be cleared up sooner or later

hslayj:
对呀,一个举世瞩目的理念,居然说创始人都没有,这么明显的逻辑漏洞,有出问题的一天,一点都不奇怪
Yes, it is not surprising that a world-renowned concept should be said to have no founder, such an obvious logic flaw, and one day something goes wrong

昊轩:
啥也不用干,囤币就能发财,这是邪教
Nothing to do, hoarding money to get rich, this is a cult

重水vs铁粉:
呵呵,美其名曰“数字黄金”,超越黄金
Hehe, beautiful its name is “digital gold”, surmount gold

hslayj:
是的,区块链从被创造的那一天起的愿景就是为了更诚实的世界,结果被一帮流氓、小偷、强盗给搞得面目全非,然后反过来栽赃创始人是骗子~~
Yes, the blockchain’s vision from the day it was created was for a more honest world, only to be turned upside down by a bunch of hooligans, thieves, and robbers, who in turn frame the founder as a fraud

林:
BTC这十几年只是在交易所炒价格,没有什么实际应用价值,标准的庞氏骗局
BTC has been trading on the exchange for more than a decade, with no real value, a standard ponzi scheme, right

重水vs铁粉:
这部币圈大片,类似《基督山恩仇记》
This is a big movie, like the story of monte cristo.

王超蔚:
数字黄金挺搞笑的
Digital gold is funny

hslayj:
主要是Core为了匿名性躲避政府,组织链上扩容,否则根本就没后面那些垃圾币什么事儿了,全球就有一条区块链,谁想玩都可以来,行业标准一确定,也根本不会有那么多骗子来ICO,阻止链上扩容
It is mainly Core to avoid the government for anonymity, expand the capacity on the organizational chain, otherwise there is no matter what the junk money behind, there is a block chain in the world, who wants to play can come, once the industry standard is determined, there will not be so many cheats to ICO, to stop the expansion of the chain

林:
随着减半的日益临近,BTC的价格再不大幅上涨,Core组可能要考虑增发或学BCH抽税了[偷笑]
With the approach of halving, the price of BTC will not rise significantly, the Core group may have to consider additional issuance or tax collection from BCH. [chuckle]

hslayj:
收编BTC只是第一步,下一步就是万币归一,还区块链一个法制生态,然后是万链归一,让所有产业链和联盟链齐心协力,最后就是用诚实的信用积累数据库塑造一个更诚实的人类文明,这种洗涤是全方位的,包括政治、经济、舆论、社会甚至哲学
Collected BTC is only the first step, the next step is all money unto a, also a legal system of ecological chain block, and then the chain unto one, let all the industrial chain and chain alliance together, the last is to use the honest credit accumulation database to shape a more honest human civilization, the washing is comprehensive, including political, economic, social, public opinion and even philosophy

hslayj:
CSW博士眼里是星辰大海,而币圈的骗子池塘里面只有老鼠般的眼光,不在一个层级上,确实也没有多少共鸣之处
Dr CSW’s eyes are a sea of stars, and the swindling pond of coinage has a rat-like look, not on the same level, and indeed not much resonance

重水vs铁粉:
当初博士被core排挤出来,克莱曼还活着吗?
Was claiman still alive when the doc was pushed out by core?

林:
币圈大多数人只关心短期币价的涨跌,什么用比特币去改变世界的这些事情连想都没想过,格局完全不在一个层次。
所以也没有办法理解博士
Most people in the currency circle are only concerned about the rise and fall of the currency price in the short term. They haven’t even thought about changing the world with bitcoin. The pattern is completely different.
So there’s no way to understand the doctor

hslayj:
2010年,CSW博士被几个无政府主义开发者吊销了网站权限,然后博士就以为比特币已经失败了,就把代码权限给了Gavin Anderson,自己跑去找政府去打击暗网和人口贩子了,2013年的时候Dave Kleinman挂了,那个时候博士应该还在和犯罪分子作斗争吧,我的理解是
In 2010, Dr CSW was suspended by several anarchist developer site permissions, then Dr Thought COINS have failed, to access to the code to Gavin Anderson, oneself ran off to get the government to fight the dark web and traffickers, 2013 Dave Kleinman hang up and then Dr Should still fighting and criminals, my understanding is

hslayj:
后来暗网被破,之前有几个人被抓了,当时Gavin Anderson就又引入了一些开发者,15年扩容之争的时候,CSW博士本来想出来主持大局,Gavin Anderson都说CSW是中本聪了,结果被其他开发者删除了比特币源代码的更改权限,相当于后来博士就没办法影响开发进度了,直到17年分叉
Then dark net was broken, a few people before was caught, when Gavin Anderson, and then introduces some developers, a battle over 15 years of expansion, Dr CSW wanted to come out, Gavin Anderson said in CSW is the hearing, the results by other developers to remove the COINS source code changes permissions, equivalent to later can’t do the impact velocity, Dr Until 17 years split ends

hslayj:
网站权限指的是www.bitcoin.org这个网站
Website permission refers to the website www.bitcoin.org
hslayj:
这是早期的比特币对外宣传窗口
This is the early bitcoin publicity window

hslayj:
现在几乎所有人都知道区块链有用,难度作为比特币区块链的原创者还没有其他人了解他的系统能做什么么,怎么可能只是创造一个拥堵不堪的资金盘呢?
As the originator of bitcoin’s blockchain, no one else knows what his system can do. How can it just create a crowded cash tray?

hslayj:
骷髅会的发言:RYU: BSV这1年已经脚踏实地完成了扩容,兑现了交易量最大,手续费最低的诺言。赢得了近400个项目在链上探索,价格创新高,从低点翻了7倍。而其他人如rv,cz还在反复重复几年前的老话,原地踏步,只能说你是个骗子,你是个骗子…好像祥林嫂…
Skull and bones: RYU: BSV this year has been down-to-earth to complete the expansion, to fulfill the largest transaction volume, the lowest commission promise. Won nearly 400 projects in the chain to explore, the price of a new high, from a low of seven times. While others such as rv and cz are still repeating the same old saying of several years ago, staying in the same place, can only say that you are a liar, you are a liar… Like xianglin…

CHEER不舍:
btc的共识没那么容易崩塌的 不受监管有需求就会有市场,而btc是最合适的选择。又是创世区块链货币的身份存在 不是说崩就崩的
The consensus of BTC is not so easy to collapse. If there is a demand, there will be a market, and BTC is the most suitable choice. Is the creation of blockchain currency identity is not said to collapse

hslayj:
生态最重要的就是容量,只有容量够大才能海纳百川、万链归一,而其他区块链产业落地的功能性问题,就让占据BSV生态位的其他竞争者在下一轮中来完成吧。
The most important thing in ecology is capacity. Only when the capacity is large enough can the sea accommodate all rivers and the chain be unified. For the functional problems of the landing of other block chain industries, let other competitors occupying BSV ecological niche complete them in the next round.

hslayj:
100万砸盘,正统性受益,就算不彻底死透,也要没掉半条命
1 million to hit the plate, the benefit of legitimacy, even if not completely dead, also did not lose half a life

hslayj:
正统性受疑
Legitimacy is in doubt

重水vs铁粉:
砸盘是注定的,无论官司输赢,百万大饼肯定要变现
Smash dish is doomed, no matter the lawsuit wins or loses, millions of flatbread must be realized

王超蔚:
对手盘也有很多bsv吧[抠鼻]
There’s a lot of BSV on your hands, too.

重水vs铁粉:
没有那么多了,去年币安下架,对方卖掉很多数量
B: not so much. Last year, the COINS were taken off the shelves and they sold a lot of them

hslayj:
对手盘该砸的,分叉的和去年比特大陆的,币安的早砸了,不会等到现在
The opponent dish should be smashed, bifurcated and last year the bitland, the currency of an early smash, will not wait until now

重水vs铁粉:
几乎没什么威胁了
Almost no threat

王超蔚:
一直听闻比特大陆也有百万bsv的
I’ve been hearing that bitland has millions of BSV

重水vs铁粉:
博士手里各百万大饼和bch,够他们喝一壶
The doctor had a million loaves of bread and BCH in his hand, enough for a pitcher of water

昊轩:
只剩下安全问题
Only safety remains

hslayj:
指望政府关停BTC和BCH还是比较难的,就算最后可能关,也要托很久,会有很长的法律诉讼时间,最重要的还是市场反应,是投资人用自己的钱来决定的
It is still difficult to expect the government to shut down BTC and BCH. Even if the final closure is possible, it will take a long time, there will be a long time for legal proceedings, and the most important thing is the market reaction, which is decided by investors with their own money

重水vs铁粉:
币安下架bsv时几乎所有人都认为bsv死定了纷纷抛售,听闻其中就有比特大陆
When coinan pulled BSV from the shelves, almost everyone thought BSV was dead and sold off. They heard that bitcoin was one of them

hslayj:
BTC的逻辑金身是减半永远涨的逻辑,如果这两年这个逻辑被打破了,btc就没人会要了,如果他不能一直涨,又没有啥其他用,大家为什么还要买他
BTC’s logic gold body is the logic of halving forever rise, if this logic is broken in the past two years, BTC no one will want, if he can’t keep rising, and there is no other use, why should we buy him

曾健:
BTC一旦还会涨,是不是更容易一些
Once BTC will go up, is it easier

hslayj:
如果BTC一直还涨,那么可能很多人还是有持有BTC的理由的,直到这个逻辑打破的那一天,也就是BTC养不起矿工的那一天
If BTC continues to rise, then many people may still have a reason to hold BTC until the day this logic breaks down, that is, the day BTC cannot support the miners

hslayj:
btc和bsv的产量逻辑和稀有度逻辑都是一样的,btc能干的bsv都能干,bsv亲和法律、交易费低、无限扩容、全球信用账本,这些功能btc都没有,如果没有永远涨的逻辑,btc在bsv面前就什么都不是
BTC and BSV output logic and rarer logic are the same, BTC capable of BSV are capable of BSV, BSV affinity law, low transaction fees, unlimited expansion, global credit book, these functions BTC is not, if there is no forever rising logic, BTC is nothing in front of BSV

hslayj:
而且btc本身就是一个谎言的集合体,只是不知道这些谎言什么时候被主流投资者接受而已
And BTC itself is a collection of lies, just don’t know when those lies will be accepted by mainstream investors

CHEER不舍:
btc今年减半后矿工成本已经达到10000美元以上 btc不涨的话恐怕要矿难 静观其变看市场发展
After BTC halved this year, the cost of miners has reached more than $10,000

曾健:
抛开价格,从应用角度,在当前时候,我们这些BSV小白能做些什么最好
Regardless of the price, from the perspective of application, at the present time, what can we do best BSV white

重水vs铁粉:
等遨游浏览器上链,体验一下
Such as navigation on the browser chain, experience

hslayj:
这个不好说,看个人擅长什么吧,有人做布道和科普,有人做系统开发,有人挖矿,听说coingeek马上会有一个比特币开发培训的课程和认证考试,是否投资是个人决策,我在群里就不说了,免得违反一些规定。
This is difficult to say, to see what the individual is good at, some preach and popular science, some do system development, some mining, heard that coingeek will soon have a bitcoin development training course and certification exam, whether to invest is a personal decision, I will not say in the group, in case of violating some rules.

hslayj:
如果项目好,coingeek和csw博士都有创业基金可以投资生态
If the project is good, both Dr Coingeek and Dr CSW have start-up funds to invest in ecology

昊轩:
小白搞宣传,币价越高算力越多,你的投资越安全
Small white engage in publicity, the higher the price of the more power, the safer your investment

hslayj:
骷髅会的刘博士开发的比特币高级脚本语言据说拿了CA五百万美金的风投
Skull and bones’ advanced scripting language for bitcoin, developed by Dr Liu, reportedly received $5m in venture capital

hslayj:
总之,目前的BSV就是95年的互联网,处在产业爆发的前夜,可能是我们这辈人这辈子最大的机遇了
In short, the current BSV is the Internet of ‘95, on the eve of the industry explosion, which may be the greatest opportunity in the lifetime of our generation

然:
主要是大量资本带动众多韭菜讲btc黄金的故事,大家都深信不疑,就会涨涨涨[愉快]
It is mainly a large amount of capital to drive many leeks to tell the story of BTC gold, everyone believes it, it will go up [happy]

hslayj:
1万美金也就2000亿市值而已,互联网的市值总和是多少,对于区块链和比特币要做的事情来说,现在的币圈就是一个小池塘,根本没有放在CSW中本聪博士的眼里
Ten thousand dollars is the market value of 200 billion dollars. What is the total market value of the Internet? For blockchain and bitcoin to do things, the current coin circle is a small pond, which is not in the eyes of Dr. Bensatsu in CSW

重水vs铁粉:
一旦丢掉市值第一,btc“数字黄金”共识会慢慢退却
Once the market cap is lost, the BTC “digital gold” consensus slowly fades

hslayj:
信用就是现代商业的氧气,而区块链比特币会重新构造现代世界的信用形成过程或获取途径
Credit is the oxygen of modern commerce, and blockchain bitcoin will reconstruct the credit formation process or access in the modern world

然:
对啊,他们都会认为,嗯,还没达到八万亿,还会涨[愉快]
Yeah, they all think, well, it’s not $8 trillion, it’s going to go up.

hslayj:
如果没有中本聪,有可能,但是BSV相当于在BTC主动脉上放了根抽水泵,对于BSVer来说,最大的韭菜就是BTCer
If it wasn’t for satoshi nakamoto, it might be, but BSV is equivalent to putting a pump on the BTC aorta, and for BSVer, the biggest leek is the BTCer

重水vs铁粉:
近期不少大v也开始谈论bsv,关注的人越来越多
Recently many big v also began to talk about BSV, more and more people pay attention to

hslayj:
投资是个人决策,需要自负盈亏的,我说的也不一定对,你听听就好~~
Investment is a personal decision, need to be self-financing, I said is not necessarily right, you listen to good ~~

CHEER不舍:
@hslayj 你觉得区块链国内国外谁会做得更好,哪个环境更好?
Hslayj: who do you think will do better in blockchain, and which environment?

hslayj:
目前肯定是国外好一些,国内被bch带歪了
At present, it must be better in foreign countries, because BCH has taken China awry

hslayj:
我出来做科普,也有这方面的原因,国内有水平又愿意分享的人还是蛮少的,等到这套逻辑大家都懂了,把更多机会留在国内,其实真的懂了BSV的逻辑,其实也没那么难。只是大部分人还是以为CSW是骗子,所以不愿意去倾听和了解而已
I came out to do the science, also have this aspect of the reason, the domestic level and willing to share the people are still very few, wait until this logic is understood, more opportunities to stay in China, in fact really understand the logic of BSV, in fact, it is not so difficult. It’s just that most people still think CSW is a fraud, so they don’t want to listen and understand

hslayj:
其实对自己投资最负责任的做法是,看看BTC、BCH、BSV各自都在干什么、说什么、承诺了什么,之前的承诺变现了没有,多方兼听,才能对自己的投资负责
In fact, the most responsible approach to their own investment is to see what BTC, BCH, BSV each are doing, say what, promised what, the previous commitment is realized, multi-listen, in order to be responsible for their own investment

然:
现状是bsv做的,除比特系外,别的项目也在做,也有亮点
The current situation is BSV, in addition to the bit department, other projects are also doing, there are also highlights

hslayj:
除了BSV,其他的项目所谓的亮点都是产品亮点,BSV做的是生态,和其他项目不在一条赛道上
Apart from BSV, the so-called highlights of other projects are product highlights. BSV does ecology, which is not on the same track as other projects

然:
讨论到这里,就讨论讨论吧,比如以太的defi故事
So much for the discussion, like ETH’s defi story

hslayj:
以太坊是创造资金盘的资金盘,ICO代表的defi是非法融资的代名词,以太坊的成功之路是由投资人的血肉铺成的
Ethereum is the money board that creates the money board, the defi represented by ICO is a synonym for illegal financing, and ethereum’s path to success is paved with the blood of its investors

hslayj:
更别说他本身不是去中心化,他非要说自己去中心化,整天都在改模型、改代码,根本上不了大应用,挖矿模式注定了是巨头垄断模式,以太坊如果觉悟的早,早点转移到BSV上来,然后补充好他的合法性,也许暂时还有点用,如果在POS这条路上走到黑,那么他和他的投资人都不会有明天
Let alone he itself is not decentralization, he must say oneself to decentralized, all day in the code model, the change is, basically no big applications, mining mode is doomed giant monopoly, etheric lane if consciousness of the early, transferred to the BSV up early, and then added the legitimacy of the good he, perhaps temporarily and use point, if the POS this road walk to black, then he and his investors will not have tomorrow

hslayj:
如果BSV能干所有事,为什么我们需要一万条其他的链呢,所以不管他们的产品亮点是什么,只要没有形成产业标准没有上BSV,那么他们就是一个私有链,等待被主链吞并是私有链的唯一归宿
If BSV can do everything, why do we need 10,000 other chains? So no matter what their product highlights are, as long as they don’t form an industry standard and have BSV, then they are a private chain, waiting to be absorbed by the main chain is the only destination of the private chain

hslayj:
eth唯一逻辑成立的前提是比特币是图灵不完备的,无法做智能合约,这是V神前面几年一直强调的事情,但是BSV一扩容,脚本语言、数据库这些产品都出来了,就说明比特币是图灵完备的,根本不需要以太坊在那里自作聪明
The only logical premise for eth is that bitcoin is Turing incomplete, unable to do intelligent contract, which is something that V has been emphasizing for the past few years, but the expansion of BSV, scripting language, database and other products, shows that bitcoin is Turing complete, there is no need for ethereum to be smart

hslayj:
之所以当初的BTC做不了智能合约的唯一原因,是因为Core不愿意扩容,仅此而已
The only reason the original BTC wasn’t a smart contract was because Core didn’t want to expand, that’s all

hslayj:
目前的区块链乱象的根源就是当初BTC不愿意扩容,最后导致很多区块链可以做的事情,人们没办法通过btc做,就只有自己开发私有链、行业链、联盟链,最后万链齐发。而BSV已经证明了无限扩容是可能的,那整个生态乱象最后就会走向万链归一,这个逻辑过程能明白,就明白为什么其他币都是资金盘,都没有存在的必要和土壤,因为人们不需要那么多链,就如同人们只需要一个互联网一样。
The current block chain chaos is the origin of the original BTC is not willing to expand capacity, and finally lead to a lot of block chain can do things, people can not do through BTC, only their own development of private chain, industry chain, alliance chain, and finally all the chain. And BSV has proved that unlimited expansion is possible, that the whole ecological chaos will eventually go to the chain of one, the logical process can understand, understand why other money is money, there is no need and soil, because people do not need so many chains, just like people only need an Internet.

hslayj:
而唯一有勇气号称万链归一并且这么做的人,只有区块链的发明人中本聪本人,其他人甚至口号都不敢喊
The only person with the courage to claim that all chains belong and do so is satoshi nakamoto, the inventor of the blockchain

然:
兄弟认为下一轮牛市爆发的引爆点是什么
What do brothers think is the tipping point for the next bull market

hslayj:
不知道,也许是郁金香,也许是减半,也许是BSV生态中的应用,也许是华尔街的大手笔投资,也许是国家层面的政府支持,也许是法币体系的逃难者,都有可能吧
I don’t know. Maybe it’s tulips, maybe it’s a half, maybe it’s BSV ecology, maybe it’s a big investment by Wall Street, maybe it’s government support at the national level, maybe it’s a runaway from the legal currency system

然:
另外,对于高昂的税收,对于超级富豪而言,对于bsv的拥抱政府的理念,是否不利于他们入场bsv
In addition, for the high taxes, for the super-rich, the idea of embracing the government for BSV, whether it is not good for them to enter BSV

hslayj:
税收是一个国家区域概念,有的地方高税收,就会有地方低税收,最后低税收的地区区块链发展的好,高税收的地区发展的不好,就形成了产业梯度,只要区块链是有价值的,那些产业梯度更高的地区就会成为榜样,最后促使所有地区都降低税收
Tax is a national regional concept, in some places high taxes, there will be local low taxes, the low tax area block the development of the chain is good, high taxes of regional development is not good, it formed the industrial gradient, as long as the chain block is valuable, the region will become the model for the higher industry gradient, finally to promote all regions to reduce taxes

hslayj:
这属于政治层面的博弈论,错过产业创新潮即使对大国来说,都是难以承受的代价,可以参考闭关锁国的大清
This is political game theory, and missing out on a wave of industrial innovation is an unbearable price to pay even for big countries, which can refer to the great qing dynasty

然:
拥有私钥就拥有了一切,任何人任何强权都拿不走,bsv拥抱政府,是否就代表这句话变成假命题了
The possession of the private key is the possession of everything, no one or any power can take it away, BSV embrace the government, whether this sentence has become a false proposition

hslayj:
是的,违法乱纪的人,是会被没收财产的,有私钥也没用
Yes, those who violate the law and discipline will have their property confiscated, and it is useless to have a private key

然:
那这要求法律体系相当相当成熟,
不然,只要谁关系硬,就能欺负你
That requires a fairly sophisticated legal system,
Otherwise, as long as who is hard, can bully you

hslayj:
也不是,我估计最后会有一个联合国区块链委员会来执行各个国家的法律冻结请求,然后统一矿工行为来进行冻结,国家博弈决定这种管控也不会是全方面的,能有国际最小共识就不错了
No, I expect that eventually there will be a UN blockchain committee to implement the legal freeze request of each country, and then the miners’ behavior will be unified to conduct the freeze. The national game will decide that such control will not be comprehensive, and it is good to have a minimum international consensus

hslayj:
估计中国、美国、欧盟、英国的法律权重影响会大一些
It is estimated that the legal weight of China, the United States, the European Union and the United Kingdom will have a greater impact

hslayj:
主要是针对贩毒、反黑、反恐、洗钱、盗窃这种明目张胆的犯罪,如果有政治争议,可能不会那么容易统一意见,实名系统目前还没出来,所以到底怎么样还是在猜测阶段
It is mainly for drug trafficking, anti-black, anti-terrorist, money laundering, theft and other blatant crimes. If there is a political dispute, it may not be so easy to agree

Conversation : 2020.2.25 #

hslayj:
等到下轮牛市来了,大家的耳朵都打开了,四处寻找区块链的真理的时候,这些东西和道理可能在沉寂几年后会迅速散播,就和13年与17年的BTC那样,只有价格平衡打破了,人们才会愿意接受新知识
By the time the next bull market comes around and everyone’s ears are open in search of the truth of blockchain, these things and truths may spread quickly after a few years of silence, just like the BTC of ‘13 and’ 17. People will not be willing to accept new knowledge until the price balance is broken

清风徐来:
是的,多数币圈人仍然是投机者多,加上BSV反应在表面上的拉盘手法也吸引来很多投机者,愿意深度了解的人很少很少。
Yes, most currency circle people are still speculators, plus BSV on the surface of the pull also attracted many speculators, willing to understand the depth of very few people.

hslayj:
我倾向于认为BSV是自由盘,不是庄盘,之前的几次大涨估计是开发者中的某些人觉得BSV的潜力很大,所以进行了大幅度的加仓。因为比特币的历史原因,BSV一出生时候就是大量的分散盘,这样的盘面是非常不利于市场操控的。
I tend to think of BSV as a free disk, not a heavy disk, and the previous few big jumps are probably due to some of the developers thinking that BSV has a lot of potential, so they have a big position. Due to the historical reasons of bitcoin, BSV was born with a large number of scattered disks, which is not conducive to market manipulation.

清风徐来:
怎么样才能让更多的人深入了解BSV呢?
How to let more people know more about BSV?

hslayj:
典型的庄盘可以参考一下A股那些拉很多个涨停盘的股票,筹码集中,上涨过程中甚至没有交易量,开盘即涨停封盘,然后持续多个交易日。
A typical plate can refer to A share those who pull A lot of trading stocks, chip concentration, rise in the process even no trading volume, the opening namely trading limit, and then continue for A number of trading days.

hslayj:
方法论的逻辑基础要坚实,要经得住推敲和比较,BSV是靠实力取胜的,不是靠割韭菜。正确的时机很重要,需要有一个非常明显的引爆点来推动价格变化,比如减半或者郁金香什么的,然后价格会让所有人开始重新审视BSV和其他币的关系,在没成为币王之前,大部分人不会认为他是币王。等到牛市真的来了,场外资金大量涌入的时候,谁的方法论更加正确,谁的逻辑更加自洽,谁的产业更加坚实,新的投资者自然会做出选择。
The logical foundation of methodology should be solid, and it should stand up to deliberation and comparison. BSV wins by strength, not by cutting leeks. The right timing is important, there needs to be a very clear tipping point to drive the price change, like halving or tulips, and then the price will cause everyone to start re-examining the relationship between BSV and other COINS, and most people won’t think of him as king until he’s king. When the bull market really comes and the money from the sidelines pours in, new investors will naturally choose who has the right methodology, whose logic is more consistent and whose industry is more solid.

hslayj:
可以关注一下当初的以太坊,基本就是在上轮减半的时候杀出重围一骑绝尘的,其实暴涨之前,他的理念都出来1,2年了
Look at ethereum, which was basically a ride out of the dust when the last wheel was cut in half. In fact, before inflation, his ideas were out for a year or two

昊轩:
操盘的下场会跟吴一样,濒临破产
Trading will end up like wu, on the verge of bankruptcy

hslayj:
一般来说庄盘的典型特征就是筹码集中度很高,甚至出来的时候大部分筹码都在庄手里,比如很多ICO,都是发行者自己当庄家的
Generally speaking, the typical characteristics of the table is the high degree of chip concentration, even out of the time most of the chips are in the hands of the zhuang, such as many icos, are the issuer when the dealer

清风徐来:
想想ICO害了多少人,BSV落地,做生态,做应用,逻辑自洽,但目前为止确实共识少,币圈里共识很重要。等资本反应过来,那时候不看好BSV或者认为他是骗子的只能接盘
Think about how many people are hurt by ICO, BSV landing, do ecology, do application, logic consistent, but so far there is really little consensus, consensus is very important in the currency circle. Wait for capital reaction to come over, at that time don’t think BSV or he is a fraud can only take

hslayj:
BSV目前最重要的可能是实名系统落地,让区块链的合法性得到广泛的认同,然后披着合法的衣服再去做很多事情就很容易了,ICO之所以还存在,是因为没有比较,没有一个合法的区块链产业让这个行业正规化。
At present, the most important thing for BSV may be the implementation of the real-name system, so that the legitimacy of the block chain can be widely recognized, and then it is easy to do many things under the cloak of legal clothes. The reason why ICO still exists is that there is no comparison and no legal block chain industry to normalize this industry.

hslayj:
其实ICO中,肯定也有团队想做实事的,只是ICO的本质让这些人永远面临着猜疑链,无法形成长期信用积累,如果BSV把合法区块链带到各个地区,那么好人自然都有了出路,那个时候基本上ICO就可以和骗局画等号了,政府容易取缔,普通投资者也容易识别
Actually ICO, must also have the team wants to do the practical work, just let these people always faced with the nature of ICO suspicion chain, unable to form a long-term credit accumulation, if the BSV take legal block chain to each region, so the good nature has a way out, then basically the ICO can draw equal-sign and deception, government to clamp down on ordinary investors are easy to identify

hslayj:
打个比方,如果BSV实名系统出来了,BSV的代币系统能够做到自由发行证券、实名法律可触达、区块链钱包可公开账本,那么基本就把ICO那套逻辑合法化了,那时候的市场联动效应,甚至能够再造一个纳斯达克出来。
For example, if the real name system of BSV comes out, the token system of BSV can achieve the free issue of securities, the real name law can reach, the block chain wallet can open the account book, then the logic of ICO is basically legalized, then the market linkage effect can even create a new nasdaq.

hslayj:
是的,学习很重要,这是一个新产业,生态的变化是动态的,很多东西都是有巨大想象空间的,学习的越多,对自己的投资认识也就越清晰,如果95年有个人已经清楚了互联网的所有逻辑,那么二十年后他就能成为马云,哪怕当时他还是个普通的老师
Yes, learning is very important, this is a new industry, the ecological changes is dynamic, and a lot of things are great imagination, to learn, the more understanding of your investment will be clear, if have personal has been made clear in 95 all the logic of the Internet, then twenty years later, he can become a ma, even when he was a regular teacher

hslayj:
然后需要保持耐心,生态的成长是极其缓慢的,哪怕有些很清晰的逻辑,也可能因为尝试者的资源不够或者素质不够而失败,反复的市场比较和生态进化是需要大量的时间来完成的,这也会在以后构成比特币区块链的生态竞争壁垒,使得其他人不可能抄袭
You then need to be patient, the growth of ecology is extremely slow, even some very clear logic, may also be because of my lack of resources for adopters or quality failure, repeated market comparison and ecological evolution is need a lot of time to complete, it will also form later in the currency block chain ecological barriers to competition, make others can not copy

清风徐来:
如果ICO的那套逻辑能呈现在实际生活里,那真的是一个巨大的生机啊,但这需要一个摸着石头过河的过程,比特币当时用数字黄金行程共识一直走了这么多年,现在这波行情把BTC是投机资产,而不是避险资产,给暴露无遗了,看比特币走势与黄金的相关度…
If the set of logical ICO can appear in actual life, it is really a great vitality, but it requires a touch stone across the river, the process of gold COINS when using digital stroke consensus had been gone for so many years, now this trend to BTC is speculative assets, rather than the safe havens, to expose, currency movements of correlation to gold…

hslayj:
智慧与耐心,是市场挑选合格投资者和筛掉不合格投机者的试卷,投资市场远远不仅仅是涨或跌组成的。
Wisdom and patience are the test papers for the market to select qualified investors and screen out unqualified speculators. The investment market is much more than just ups and downs.

清风徐来:
我因为BSV竟然也想学习编程,想做点什么,总感觉好像已经处于未来之中,但未来需要的技能自己又不具备, 想通过不断学习做一个合格的投资者
I want to learn programming and do something because of BSV. I always feel like I am in the future, but I don’t have the skills I need in the future. I want to be a qualified investor through continuous learning

hslayj:
学习不一定就一定要编程,要根据自己的天赋来选择,有人适合做程序员、有人适合与人交流、有人适合构建产品,新世界的到来,一定是伴随着巨大的职业红利的
Learning does not have to be programming, to choose according to their own talent, someone is suitable for programmers, someone is suitable for communication, someone is suitable for building products, the arrival of the new world, must be accompanied by a huge career dividend

hslayj:
我举个很简单的例子把ICO放到现实生活里面来,你楼下有个牛肉馆,可能只有20平米,在传统世界里面他是不可能有融资机会的,但是如果他用了BSV的钱包来收款、BSV的钱包来公开账务、BSV的实名系统来接受工商管理,那么他的成本 、利润、历史、特色对于所有人来说都是透明的,这个时候这种即使是小微企业都有了产业抵押融资能力甚至股权融资能力,你可能只需要知道他很好吃,就可以直接投资他了,金融将进入每个细微的领域和个人。
Me a very simple example put ICO to come in real life, you have a downstairs beef pavilion, perhaps only 20 square meters, in the traditional world he is impossible to have financing opportunities, but if he spent BSV wallet to collection, BSV wallet to open accounts and BSV real-name system to accept the business management, so his cost, profit, history, characteristic is transparent for all people, at this time that even small micro enterprise has the industry mortgage financing and equity financing ability, you may only need to know he is very good, he can direct investment, Finance will move into every niche and every individual.

清风徐来:
嗯嗯,@hslayj 群友私信我,让我问一下,如何看待未来有可能国家会出台某些法律法规,来打击数字货币交易平台
HMMM, @hslayj wrote to me, let me ask, how do you see the possibility of some future laws and regulations to crack down on digital currency trading platforms

hslayj:
这就是诚实社会的力量,一切细小的积累都可以成为信用的来源
This is the power of an honest society, where any small accumulation can be a source of credit

hslayj:
国家打击的一定是非法的,不受监管的平台,如果区块链产业合法合规了,那么就成为了一种新的技术红利,国家抢着给政策还差不多
The state must be cracking down on illegal, unregulated platforms. If the blockchain industry is legally compliant, it will become a new technology dividend, and the state’s rush to give policy will be similar

hslayj:
国家的产业政策制定不是空穴来风的,如果国外出现了良性的、健康的、受监管的区块链融资平台,并且取得了非常好的社会红利与产业支持,你说国家会不会搬回来用呢,当初的A股不就是这么来的么
The country’s industrial policy formulation is not groundless. If A benign, healthy and regulated blockchain financing platform appears in foreign countries, and it has obtained very good social dividend and industrial support, do you think the country will move back to use it

清风徐来:
嗯嗯,大家还有什么问题都可以在群里提出来
Um, um, any other questions you might have in the group

hslayj:
是的,有问题比较好谈,凭空讲的话不知道从何谈起,而且CSW博士的很多文献其实都非常有学习价值,区块链是个博大精深,容易了解难以精通的新产业,需要长久的关注和学习。
Yes, it is easy to talk about problems, and I don’t know where to start if I just say something out of thin air. In fact, many of Dr. CSW’s literatures are of great learning value. Blockchain is a broad and profound new industry that is easy to understand and difficult to master, requiring long-term attention and study.

王超蔚:
请问一下bsv减半后矿工收入如何弥补呀,亏钱继续挖吗?
Excuse me after BSV halve miner income how make up for ah, lose money to continue to dig?

hslayj:
从供求关系上来讲,减半导致供应减少,在需求不变的情况下会推高资产价格,然后上涨的资产价格会引发牛市,这也是BTC的减半就会涨的逻辑的主要来源,所以币价上涨在接下来是可以预期到的,币价涨了,矿工自然就赚钱了。长久来看,矿工的主要经济来源其实不是矿工每四年减半一次的矿工补贴,而是来源于数据上链的交易费,交易费越多,矿工利润越高,也就越有动力维护基础设施的升级改造。
In terms of supply and demand in half supply reduction, in the case of the constant demand would push up asset prices, rising asset prices will then trigger a bull market, it is also the BTC in half will be the main source of logic, so the price increase of currency in the next can be expected, the currency rose, miners nature is making money. In the long run, the miners’ main source of income is not their subsidies, which are halved every four years, but the transaction fees on the data chain. The higher the transaction fees, the higher the miners’ profits and the more incentive they have to maintain the upgrading of the infrastructure.

hslayj:
单从BSV亏损挖矿这个点来说,这其实和币价关系不大,因为这说明有很多矿工愿意亏损来挖BSV,说明很多矿工更看好BSV的未来,如果是正常资产投资,如果挖BSV不赚钱,矿工就跑了,然后挖矿难度下降,挖矿成本就降低了,其他矿工就会赚钱,所以矿工亏损是一个短期的矿工投资过剩导致的市场价格行为。
Losses from BSV dig this single point, this in fact and not too much currency, because it shows that there are many miners willing to dig BSV, loss showed many miners more bullish on the future of the BSV, if is normal assets investment, if dug BSV don’t make money, men ran away, and then dig down, difficult mining cost was reduced, and the other miners can make money, so the loss is a short-term investment surplus miners caused by market price behavior.

hslayj:
正是因为矿工的长久经济来源是数据交易费,所以数据的价值才是最重要的事情,必须让BSV变成全球信用账本,才可能使这套系统永远运转下去,BTC那套不让大家链上交易的做法,在长期来看其实就是让矿工去死,必定难以长久。
Because of miners’ economic source is data transaction fee for a long time, so the value of the data is the most important thing, must make the BSV into a global credit books, can make the system run forever, BTC that don’t let everyone chain trade practice, in the long run it is to let the miners die, must be hard for a long time.

然:
讲真,我作为技术派,还是没彻底领悟到bsv的宏伟远景的意境,望大家多多给我讲解
To be honest, as a technical school, I still haven’t fully grasped the artistic conception of the grand vision of BSV. I hope you can explain to me more

hslayj:
BSV是为了建设一个诚实的世界,使得很多数据上链不可篡改,才使得人们在公共领域不能撒谎,当所有人都不能撒谎时,陌生人的合作成本将变得非常的小,人们就不怕被商家骗、不怕被庄家割、不怕被政府压迫、不怕被陌生人误导,所见即真实,这样的世界就是区块链愿意带给大家看到的世界
BSV is to build an honest world, makes a lot of data on the chain is not tampered with, that makes people can’t lie in the public domain, when all the people can’t lie, the cooperation of strangers cost will become very small, people are not afraid to be cheated by the businessman, are not afraid to be banker cut, not oppressed by the government, not misled by a stranger, what you see is true, this world is to block chain would like to see the world for all

清风徐来:
诚实社会的力量会冲击传统社会当中很多不能搬在台面上讲的规则,那样的改变是巨大的,如果能做到这些。BSV将不仅仅是币圈,而是新世界的到来,第二代互联网的到来,我可以这样理解吗?
The power of an honest society is going to knock a lot of the rules out of the traditional society, and that’s a huge change, if you can do that. BSV will not only be a coin circle, but the arrival of the new world, the arrival of the second generation of the Internet, can I understand it this way?

hslayj:
是的,按照上海刘晔律师的话讲,这是一次人类文明的升级,上海刘晔律师 在新浪微博上翻译了很多中本聪的著作,大家也可以去看看
Yes, according to lawyer liu in Shanghai, this is an upgrade of human civilization. Lawyer liu in Shanghai has translated many works of satoshi nakamoto on sina weibo, you can also go and have a look

然:
区块链将人类文明推向新的高度,这个观点我认同
I agree that blockchain pushes human civilization to new heights

hslayj:
骷髅会有个计算机博士姓刘,据说因为创建了一套高级比特币语言,该语言可以用比特币脚本编程实现各种软件功能,去年该项目获得了coingeek的老板ca的风险投资500万美金
Skull and bones, which has a computer ph. d. named liu, is said to have created an advanced bitcoin language that can be programmed with bitcoin scripts to perform various software functions, a project that last year received $5 million in venture capital from ca, coingeek’s boss

清风徐来:
[名片] 刘晔律师,刘晔律师也有公众号,大家都关注一下
[business card] lawyer liu ye, lawyer liu ye also has the public number, everybody pays attention to

hslayj:
是的,刘晔律师翻译了很多中本聪的著作,而且自己对于BSV的理解也很深刻,基本出手写文章都是万言书,逻辑也很缜密,推荐大家关注
Yes, lawyer liu ye has translated a lot of satoshi nakamoto’s works, and he has a deep understanding of BSV. His articles are all wan yan books with rigorous logic, which is recommended for your attention

然:
我看好bsv的原因是相比壳派卡派而言,线路很正,经济可持续的观点我很赞同,以及脚本功能,高tps,低手续费,微支付,宝贵数据存储,抵押访问等等很务实的优势很明显,至于宏伟远景,还没悟透☺
The reason I watch the BSV is set than shell card, line is positive, sustainable economic point of view I quite agree with, and the script function, high TPS, low fees, micropayments, precious data storage, mortgage access and so on practical advantage obviously, as for the grand vision, hasn’t been fully enlightened ☺

hslayj:
只有亲生的父母才会关心孩子的成长与身心健康,所以才会严加管教,而人贩子只会用糖来哄孩子。所以到底谁是真比特币只需要看谁最关心长久的生态平衡,而不是整天想着赚一票走人。
Only biological parents will care about the child’s growth and physical and mental health, so they will be strict discipline, and traffickers will only use sugar to coax children. So who is the real bitcoin is just a matter of who CARES about the long-term ecological balance, not who wants to make a living.

hslayj:
从本质上来讲,那些整天盯着短期K线的人,唯一的想法就是赚一票走人,长久的逻辑反而不重要了。
In essence, those who stare at the short-term K line all the time, the only idea is to earn a ticket to leave, the long-term logic is not important.

清风徐来:
江卓尔说,core的扩容力量会不断投入BCH
Core’s capacity expansion will continue to be invested in BCH, says Mr

hslayj:
bch是个四不像,到底怎么发展他们自己内部都还没有统一呢,前段时间说要收矿工费,听说内部有两派,搞不好也会分叉
BCH is a sibuxiang, exactly how to develop their own internal have not been unified, a period of time ago said to charge miners, heard that there are two internal parties, maybe also bifurcation

时分:
乱糟糟的bch
Messy BCH

hslayj:
收矿工税矿工不答应,不收矿工费,开发者没饭吃,bch本身是逻辑悖论
The miners won’t accept the tax, the miners won’t pay, the developers won’t eat, the BCH itself is a logical paradox

清风徐来:
@然 其他币的存在是建立于去中心化的谎言之上的,要说BSV的宏伟远景,中间需要做的事很多,不一定完全保证宏伟远景能够成功,但区块链是中本聪带到这个世界来的,他都做不成别人更做不成,除了BSV其他都是资金盘。只是现在很多人不愿意承认。
However, the existence of other COINS is built on the lies of decentralization. To speak of the grand vision of BSV, a lot of things need to be done in the middle, which may not guarantee the success of the grand vision. However, block chain is brought to this world by satoshi nakamoto, who can’t do it and can’t do it. But now many people are reluctant to admit it.

hslayj:
是的,core为扩容这个事情不知道撕过多少人,core不可能扩容,不扩容就意味着只能是资金盘,没有其他用途,当btc不能永远涨了,他也就没用了
Yes, the core for the expansion of this thing I don’t know how many people tore, core can not expand, not to expand means that it can only be a cash plate, no other purpose, when BTC can not go up forever, he is useless

清风徐来:
嗯,如果不能一直涨,还没什么用,大家没有理由再买他了,一直涨的逻辑打破,那BTC就养不起矿工了,主流投资者难道不关注BTC具体在做什么吗?
Well, if it doesn’t go up all the time, it doesn’t work, people have no reason to buy it, the logic of going up all the time breaks down, then BTC can’t support the miners, don’t mainstream investors pay attention to exactly what BTC is doing?

hslayj:
btc在鼓励大家屯币,然后什么都不用做
BTC is encouraging people to stock up and do nothing

清风徐来:
这么明显的逻辑不自洽
Such an obvious logic is inconsistent

hslayj:
他们说自己是数字黄金,而黄金的唯一作用就是放着不动
They say they are digital gold, and the only function of gold is to stay put

清风徐来:
稍微深入了解一下BSV就知道BCH和BTC这些年真的没做什么,一直还能存活下去也许是因为多数投资者投机的多吧
A little more insight into BSV shows that BCH and BTC really haven’t done much over the years and have been able to survive, perhaps because most investors speculate too much

昊轩:
黄金物理特性不会变,btc代码随时能改
Gold physics doesn’t change, BTC code can be changed at any time

铠恺凯:
所有的主流虚拟币,涨就是同时涨。跌也是同时跌。电脑精确控盘控盘。
All the major virtual currencies, go up at the same time. Falling is falling at the same time. Computer accurate control disc control disc.

清风徐来:
所有主流币的开源代码都是抄袭比特币的,把比特币的稍微修改即可,山寨币也是如此。
All the mainstream currency’s open source code is a copy of the bitcoin, bitcoin can be slightly modified, the counterfeit currency is the same.
比特币的走向趋势会影响其他币种的走向趋势,但是有庄家介入的山寨币却并非如此。在比特币行情不好时,庄家可以通过逆市抬高币价的方法,快速吸收到一定的筹码。当收集到一定的筹码后,庄家可以再通过打压币价的方法来低价吸收散户因恐慌抛出的筹码,从而达到进一步提高持筹集中度的目的。庄家拥有了足够的筹码后,就可以轻易抬升币价,在比特币疲软时期,一只逆市而动的山寨币必然能吸引到散户的目光,这就为庄家日后出货埋下了伏笔。当币价抬升到一定程度,并且积攒了一定的人气后,庄家就可以借势大幅震荡出货,等到货出到一定程度后,就使用高台跳水反复打压的手段,直到币价回到原本的位置。
The trend of bitcoin affects the trend of other currencies, but that is not the case for counterfeit COINS with the help of bookmakers. When the bitcoin market is bad, bookmakers can quickly absorb certain chips by raising the price of the currency against the market. When the collection of a certain amount of chips, bookmakers can then through the method of suppressing the price of COINS to absorb low retail chips because of panic, so as to further increase the holding of medium purpose. When the makers have enough chips, they can easily raise the price of the currency. In the weak period of bitcoin, a counterfeit coin that moves against the market will inevitably attract the attention of retail investors, which sets the stage for future shipments. When the coin price rises to a certain extent, and accumulated a certain degree of popularity, the banker can take advantage of the situation to greatly shock the shipment, such as the arrival of goods to a certain degree, the use of high platform diving repeatedly press means, until the currency price returned to the original position.

hslayj:
其实只要不去理K线,庄家就伤不到投资者,因为操盘行为一般都是短期的剧烈震荡,最怕庄家的其实是用杠杆的韭菜,一波就完蛋,所以坚持价值投资,很多坑都可以躲过,如果真的弄错了,其实自己也可以长教训,算是自我认知的投资,短线本质就是赌博,猜短期涨跌和猜大小没什么本质区别
In fact, as long as you don’t go to K line, banker would hurt less than investors, because traders behavior are generally short-term volatility, the most afraid of banker is actually use leverage leeks, a wave of death, so insist on value investment, a lot of pit can be avoided, if really wrong, in fact they could be a long lesson, self-perception of investment, short term nature is gambling, no essential difference between short-term movements and guess size

铠恺凯:
确实,赚的就是合约的钱
Indeed, the money earned is the contract money

hslayj:
其实长期来说,庄家也是一种韭菜,是趋势和法律的韭菜,一波不慎,满盘接输
Actually for a long time, banker also is a kind of leek, it is the leek of trend and law, one wave is careless, dish receives lose

重水vs铁粉:
不知道日本有没有交易所上架有bsv交易的?
I do not know whether there is BSV trading on the stock exchange in Japan?

hslayj:
之前好像听骷髅会里的住日本的人说,日本金融厅没有批BSV,不知道现在什么情况,目前的BSV比较像2013年的BTC,渠道受限、理念没被推广,各方误解都很多,据说是之前BCH分叉的时候,很多日本交易所把BSV当垃圾甩卖了,最低的有几刀甩卖的
Before seem to listen to the people who live in Japan in skull, says the fsa no BSV, don’t know now what circumstance, the BSV more like 2013 BTC, limited channels, idea is not to promote, the parties have a lot of misunderstanding, is said to be before BCH bifurcate, many Japanese exchange the BSV when the garbage sale, sale of the lowest several dao

重水vs铁粉:
那边这么保守
It’s so conservative over there.

hslayj:
当人们发现所有人都认为的骗子才是王者归来时,那个场面不敢想象
When people found out that everyone thought that the cheater is the king of the return, the scene did not dare to imagine

hslayj:
BSV前年因为分叉走失了一部分人,去年因为比特大陆和日本交易所砸盘又走失了一部分价值,今年应该没有什么大的砸盘面了
BSV year before because bifurcation lost a part of the people, last year because of the bit mainland and Japan exchange plate and lost a part of the value, this year should not have what big hit disk

铠恺凯:
我朋友6月份就跟我说了bsv。但是我后来买的EOS,还是因为它的价格拉起来才关注,要不是这一波拉价格,你喊破喉咙也不会增加太多的人关注,跟你挑对象,先看外表再了解内在
My friend told me about BSV in June. However, the EOS I bought later was still concerned because of its price. If it were not for the price of EOS, you would not increase the attention of too many people

重水vs铁粉:
我去年多伦多大会时关注买入bsv的,
I focused on BSV at the Toronto conference last year,

hslayj:
是的,听说CSW是骗子,一般人的反应都是不会关注他的言行,他说什么都不会信,这就是心理学中的刻板印象导致的认知回音室,人们会更多关注那些他已经相信和了解的信息,以及符合这些信息的逻辑
Yes, when you hear that CSW is a liar, the average person’s response is not to pay attention to what he says, he doesn’t believe what he says, and that’s the cognitive echo chamber of stereotypes in psychology, people pay more attention to the information that he already believes and understands, and the logic that goes with that information, right

重水vs铁粉:
我是先买入,后了解的csw,慢慢觉得与媒体报道的不一样。就算一个真正的科学家没有一位能超越csw,世上哪有这么厉害的“骗子”,偏听则暗,尤其案件审理期间,媒体报道与法庭真实情况有出入。明显有组织的黑csw
I was the first to buy, after understanding the CSW, slowly feel and media reports are not the same. Even if no real scientist can surpass the CSW, there is no such a powerful “liar” in the world, especially during the trial, the media reports are not consistent with the reality of the court. Apparently organized black CSW

hslayj:
投资市场就是众多谎言和少数真相组成的信息市场,只有成为前20%了解真相的钱,才能跑赢市场
The investment market is an information market composed of many lies and a few truths. Only the top 20% of the money that knows the truth can beat the market

重水vs铁粉:
我们是幸运的,算是撘辆早班车
We were lucky enough to get an early bus

金矿:
换。现在就换。btc。和bch。全换bsv
Change. Change now. BTC. And BCH. All in BSV

重水vs铁粉:
问个外行问题,今后互联网与区块链共存还是被取代?
A layman’s question: will the Internet and blockchain coexist or be replaced in the future?

铠恺凯:
区块链是基于网络的吧
Blockchain is based on the web

重水vs铁粉:
共存的话感觉好,否则各领域安全问题怎么解决
Coexistence feels good, otherwise how to solve security problems in all areas

hslayj:
目前谈取代为时过早,在可预见的很长一段时间内,应该是互补共存的,毕竟区块链的基础设施远远不如互联网
It is too early to talk about a replacement, which should be complementary and coexisting for a long time to come, as the infrastructure of blockchain is far inferior to that of the Internet

重水vs铁粉:
可能没到那一步,我还认知不到
Maybe it’s not there. I don’t know yet

hslayj:
只能说有取代的可能性
I can only say that there is the possibility of substitution

然:
我认为不可能取代,移动互联网取代了古典互联网么
I don’t think it’s possible to replace the classical Internet with the mobile Internet

hslayj:
等到BSV的三层生态都完整了,硬件采矿生态层的带宽、存储、运算、协同都能达到目前的互联网水平,软件生态层的各种功能软件的生态位都成熟了,用户生态层的各种认知、法律、规则都协调了,那时候可能区块链才有资格谈是否能够取代的问题,现在没资格谈这个问题
Until the three layers of BSV ecology are complete, the bandwidth of the hardware of mining ecological layer, storage, operation, coordination can achieve one’s current level of Internet, the functions of software ecological layer software niche are mature, users of various ecological layer cognition, laws, rules, coordination, ability is qualified to talk about whether it could block chain can take the place of the problem, now can’t talk about this problem

hslayj:
BSV区块链落地其实最大的敌人其实不在币圈,币圈这些资金盘其实没什么战斗力,打下去就起不来了,BSV区块链最大的挑战是目前的世界秩序,强权是否允许一个不受掌控但是更加诚实的世界出现,这个博弈才是决定性的,才是真正可能杀死BSV的东西
BSV block chain landing is the biggest enemy is not money, money circle these funds plate it actually, lay a go up not to come, the BSV block chain is the biggest challenge of the present world order, power whether to allow a control but more honest world, this game is decisive, is the real could kill BSV

hslayj:
不过如果真到了这个量级的较量,估计BSV怎么也过2万刀超过BTC的前期高点了,罗马不是一天建成的,人类的文明升级从来不是一帆风顺的
However, if it comes to the battle of this magnitude, it is estimated that BSV has passed 20,000 dollars and exceeded the previous high point of BTC. Rome was not built in a day, and the upgrade of human civilization is never plain sailing

然:
取代意味着任何信息可以随便篡改,比如我刚发的信息,感觉没表达好,然后我现在想改改,互联网一般是可以的,区块链能这么玩?悖论啦
Substitution means that any information can be tampered with, for example, the information I just sent, I feel not expressed well, and now I want to change, the Internet is generally ok, block chain can play this way? Paradox!

hslayj:
博士的原话是让互联网成为Metanet的侧链,所谓的取代也不是说互联网就没有了,而是互联网是围绕着区块链来展开的,互联网和区块链的主次之分会颠倒
The doctor’s original words are to let the Internet become the side chain of Metanet, the so-called replacement does not mean that the Internet is not, but the Internet is around the block chain to spread out, the Internet and block chain of the primary and secondary will be reversed

重水vs铁粉:
bsv不妨碍zf金融,符合法律。没理由被打击吧
BSV does not interfere with zf finance and complies with the law. There’s no reason to be discouraged

hslayj:
那不一定,有些保守主义者恨不得杀死所有新东西,特别是新技术动了他们的蛋糕
Not necessarily. Some conservatives want to kill all the new stuff, especially the new technology that moves their cake

hslayj:
跟政府的意识形态和统治者特点有关,不是绝对的,肯定有的赞成、有的反对、有的中立,最后技术红利释放后,看看到底哪个策略会胜出,比如有的专制国家,连互联网都不愿开放,当初的大清连国际贸易都不愿意参与,你找谁评理去,所以区块链的最大变量是政治,如果区块链革命真的成功了,这个世界就会从由国家主导的强权暴力时代进入区块链主导的诚实信用世界
Related to the government’s ideology, and the characteristics of the rulers, not absolute, certainly some for, against, some neutral, the final technical bonus after their release, and see which strategies will win out, such as some authoritarian countries, don’t even want to open the Internet, at the beginning of qing are reluctant to participate in international trade, can I help you off, so the biggest variable block chain is politics, if block chain revolution really successful, the world will be from violence era dominated by the state’s power to block chain of honest and credit in the world

hslayj:
所有的规则都会变,这才能称之为人类文明的整体升级
All the rules will change, and this is called the overall upgrade of human civilization

重水vs铁粉:
btc除了支付(还参与黑市)一无是处,肯定不少人否定。但bsv主要作用在于应用领域广泛,今后被接纳的或许站多数吧
BTC is good for nothing but paying (and participating in the black market). But the main role of NSV is a wide range of applications, the future will be accepted by the majority of the station

hslayj:
BSV会在很多地方被接纳,BTC现在的形态都是违法的,只是法律一般反应比较慢,特别是这种国际领域
BSV will be accepted in many places, BTC is illegal in its current form, but the law is generally slow to respond, especially in this international field

然:
政府如果想灭了btc,会怎么做才能清除干净
If the government wants to kill BTC, what will it do to get rid of it

hslayj:
拼来拼去,其实最后拼的就是我们这一代人的最终选择和基本的人文素质,这个选择的按钮是掌握在年轻一代人手里的
Spell to spell, in fact, the final spell is our generation’s final choice and the basic humanistic quality, the choice of the button is in the hands of the younger generation

hslayj:
找到大部分矿工,让他们运营某些特定代码,矿工有沉没成本、有矿机、有场地,只能听政府的
Find most miners and have them run certain codes. Miners have sunk costs, miners have machines, miners have sites, and they have to listen to the government

然:
不然节点遍布全球么?其他国家不听话呢
Otherwise nodes spread all over the world? Other countries don’t listen

hslayj:
节点没用,摧毁网络矿工就够了
Node is useless, destroy network miner enough

然:
嗯,就矿工吧,并不是某个国家说了算啊
Well, the miners, it’s not one country that calls the shots

昊轩:
btc违法洗钱都灭不了,bsv更难
BTC illegal money laundering can not be destroyed, BSV more difficult

hslayj:
所以需要几个主要矿工国家联合,比如中国、美国联合,基本就够了,拒绝BSV就像拒绝互联网,只能不让他进入国家,你灭不了他,因为肯定有国家想要尝试他
So you need a coalition of major mining countries, like China and the United States, and that’s basically enough. Rejecting BSV is like rejecting the Internet. You can’t kill him, you can’t let him into the country

然:
但中美联合应该不可能吧
But a sino-american alliance is unlikely

hslayj:
之前liberty reverse是42国联合行动,一夜之间就端了,这也是为什么国外的加密货币没国内火,因为国外有过前车之鉴
Liberty reverse was a 42-country joint effort that ended overnight, which is why foreign cryptocurrencies haven’t caught on at home

然:
毕竟听说美国政府持有大量btc
After all, I heard the U.S. government owns a lot of BTC

hslayj:
美国政府的都拍卖了,好像
The U.S. government auctioned it off, like

hslayj:
所以BTC很危险,政府想取缔他其实并不难,他们自己以为自己很隐蔽,其实是政府觉得区块链有用,不想一刀切阻碍新技术发展,否则早就一锅端了
So BTC is very dangerous, it is not difficult for the government to ban it, they think they are very hidden, in fact, the government thinks blockchain is useful, do not want to block the development of new technology, otherwise it will be a pot

重水vs铁粉:
如果bsv上有很多大型企业公司应用,等于捆绑了国家经济,zf不会轻举妄动,
If there’s a lot of big corporate applications on BSV, it’s tied to the national economy, and the zf doesn’t do anything,

hslayj:
对的,就是这个逻辑,BSV如果捆绑了整个实体经济,没有国家能够在用了他后再赶走他,就好像你不可能挖掉自己的血管一样
Right, that’s the logic. If BSV binds the whole real economy, no country can use it and then get rid of it, just like you can’t dig out your own veins

重水vs铁粉:
这就放心了
That’s a relief

然:
有大神给btc讲这么一个后续故事,石油载体不稳定,美元岌岌可危,出路是挂钩btc,大家怎么看
A great god told BTC such a follow-up story, the oil carrier is unstable, the dollar is in danger, the way is linked to BTC, what do you think

hslayj:
国家是人类在跨地域文明出现后的战争暴力机器,在今后的文明中,还能取得多大的地位,取决于国家的自我定位的调整,当人类文明不需要一种形态时,可能这种形态会转变的非常快,就好像以前的宗教一样
The state is a machine of war and violence after the emergence of trans-regional civilization. How much status can be achieved in the future civilization depends on the adjustment of the self-positioning of the state. When human civilization does not need a form, it may change very quickly, just like the religion before

hslayj:
石油载体不稳定,美元岌岌可危,出路是挂钩btc,这个逻辑是对的,如果没有BSV的话
The oil carrier is unstable, the dollar is in danger, the way out is to link to BTC, the logic is right, if there is no BSV

然:
也就是说这个故事可以在bsv上讲?
So the story can be told on BSV, right?

hslayj:
美元代表的是美国这个最强大的国家暴力机器,BSV代表的是人类的诚实信用载体,这种转变是文明形态的转变,不会一夜发生,但是一旦发生了,文明就升级了,人们今后将不会再面临大规模暴力威胁,因为诚实和信用会通过这个体系彻底控制暴力机器
Dollars represent America, the most powerful state violence machine, BSV represents the human carrier of honesty and credibility, this change is the change of civilization form, will not happen overnight, but once happened, civilization is upgrading, people in the future will not be facing a large threat of violence, because of honesty and credit will be through this system completely machine control force

然:
对于这个故事,bsv和btc有冲突么
Is there a conflict between BSV and BTC for this story

昊轩:
btc会堵死,怎么用
BTC will block, how to use

hslayj:
有的,BSV和BTC只能活一个,那个就是BSV
Yes, BSV and BTC can only live one, that is BSV

然:
先说堵死这个逻辑,不成立,比如黄金
Let’s say that blocking the logic doesn’t work, like gold

昊轩:
btc的逻辑,bsv都能用上,数字黄金,取代石油美元,抗通胀,限量,一直涨
The logic of BTC, the logic of BSV, can be applied to digital gold instead of petrodollars, against inflation, against limits, all the way up

然:
黄金只需要放在银行,不用频道搬动
Gold just needs to be put in the bank, not moved by the channel

hslayj:
黄金驯服不了暴力,暴力可以匿名抢黄金,然后明目张胆的统治世界,历次的王朝更迭都是这么发生的
Gold can’t tame violence, which can steal gold anonymously and then rule the world in plain sight, as dynasties have done

hslayj:
诚实可以驯服暴力,因为人们不会再让刽子手坐上统制者的位置
Honesty tames violence, because people no longer put the executioner in control

昊轩:
黄金可以点对点即时交易,一手交钱一手交货,btc要等几个小时
Gold can be traded point-to-point in real time, with money in one hand and delivery in the other, with BTC waiting for hours

然:
谁天天拿黄金买东西,所以堵死不成立
Who every day with gold to buy things, so plugging is not established

hslayj:
BTC的主要问题有3个,
1,不是去中心化,非要说去中心化,中心就是Core这个群体,这个是谎言。
2,当补贴消失的时候,小区快导致交易少,交易手续费会养不起矿工,所以模型生态难以支持。
3,BTC必须永远涨才有价值,一旦他无法储值,甚至有竞争品,例如bsv,那么人们就不会选择它
There are three main problems with BTC,
1-it’s not decentralized, it’s not decentralized, the center is the Core group, this is a lie.
2-When the subsidy disappears, the community will soon lead to fewer transactions, and the transaction fee will not be able to support the miners, so the model ecology is difficult to support.
3-BTC has to go up forever to be valuable. Once it can’t store value or even has a rival product, such as BSV, then people won’t choose it

然:
嗯嗯,这也是这个故事没法让我信服的原因
Well, that’s why the story doesn’t convince me

昊轩:
几千年来,都能用黄金买东西,金本位废除才几十年
Gold has been used to buy things for thousands of years, and it’s only been a few decades since the gold standard was abolished

重水vs铁粉:
btc今后有遭到攻击的可能,
BTC could be attacked in the future,

hslayj:
所以说,如果没有中本聪,btc的逻辑都对,虽然它是资金盘,但是是一个新鲜的资金盘,起码还有段青春时光,但是美元基本已经穷途末路了,所以法币逃难者会滋养btc,btc最大的问题是竞品bsv会随时要了他的命,因为bsv才是正统的国王,btc只是窃取了国王位置的外戚,现在国王归来了,他的正统性就没了
So, if not in this hearing, the logic of BTC to, although it is capital dish, but is a dish of fresh capital, at least Duan Qingchun time, but the dollar is basically the end of the road, so the fiat refugees will nourish the BTC, BTC is the biggest problem of competing goods BSV will killed him at any time, because the BSV king of orthodoxy, BTC just steal the king’s position consorts, king return now, I lost his legitimacy

然:
要银票干嘛,嗯嗯,但又一个致命问题,拥抱政府,没有富豪敢囤积bsv,随时有被没收的风险,除非富豪和政府关系特别硬
Why a silver ticket, mm-hmm, but another fatal problem, embrace the government, no plutocrat would dare to hoard BSV and risk confiscation at any time, unless the plutocrat has a particularly strong relationship with the government

重水vs铁粉:
@hslayj 如果换个角度,面对bsv竞争,你会采取什么办法让btc活下去?
Hslayj from another Angle, in the face of BSV competition, what would you do to keep BTC alive?

hslayj:
匿名财产永远干不过暴力,因为暴力可以分而治之,然后占有财富,能干过暴力的永远是更广泛、信任的联合者
Anonymous property will never be able to do violence, because violence can be divided and ruled, and then the possession of wealth, and the ability to do violence will always be a broader, trusted coalition

hslayj:
我的方法是把资产都换成BSV,然后别人爱干嘛干嘛,君子不立危墙之下。
My method is to put all the assets into BSV, and then others do what they like, the gentleman does not stand under the dangerous wall.

昊轩:
富豪需要用btc洗钱吗?很多办法可以合法避税的,罪犯才需要btc
Do rich people need to use BTC to launder money? There are many ways to avoid taxes legally. Criminals need BTC

然:
如果是我,由各国政府机构充当旷工,挂钩美元
If it were me, the government agencies would play hooky and peg to the dollar

重水vs铁粉:
但那些人真不是君子。
But those people are no gentleman.

hslayj:
关于权力没收财产的问题,其实是比较低级的政治博弈问题,如果国家这么干了,大量财产会外流,逃到安全的国家去,然后这个国家的经济命脉就完了,你把富人杀光了的结果是所有人都没饭吃,中国文革不就是这么回事么
The issue of confiscation of property is actually a low-level political game. If the state does this, a large amount of property will leave the country and flee to a safe country. Then the country’s economic lifeline will be finished

hslayj:
权力对待财产的最好方式征税,绝不是没收
The best way to tax property is not to confiscate it

然:
减半损失对国家机构而言微乎其微
Halving the loss is minimal for a state institution

hslayj:
中本聪的眼里,最终的矿工可能就有国家这个群体
In Satoshi Nakamoto’s view, the ultimate miner may be the nation

昊轩:
我怀疑btc被美国故意阉割的,因为真正的比特币会取代美元
I suspect that BTC was deliberately neutered by the us, because the real bitcoin will replace the dollar

hslayj:
我之所以判断BSV没有庄,一个很大的原因就是BSV是实名的、交易可永久追溯的,没有哪个傻庄有这个胆子来操这个盘,就算现在发现不了,永久记录的区块链随便一查都能查出来,还不如换个匿名币坐庄,所以操盘BSV的都是傻庄,韭菜庄
I judge BSV no, zhuang is a big reason why BSV is real-name, transaction can be permanent traces, no silly zhuang have the courage to fuck this dish, even if now can not find, permanent record of block chain literally out can be found out, it is better to change the anonymous currency dealer, so traders BSV are silly zhuang, leeks

然:
但没人操盘价格怎么上去[捂脸]
But no one’s betting on how to get the price up.

重水vs铁粉:
怪不得bsv每次无论开什么大会、各种升级,从来不暴涨。。。
No wonder BSV every time no matter what conference, various upgrades, never shot up…

hslayj:
自然推动上去就够了,太快不好,随风潜入夜,润物细无声
Nature is enough to push up, too fast is not good, the wind sneaked into the night, moisten things silently

hslayj:
BSV的投资者越多,锁仓就越多,当突然有一天一个大资金进来发现没筹码了,自然就涨上去了,1月份就是典型
The more investors BSV had, the more they locked up their positions. When suddenly a large amount of money came in and found no chips, it naturally rose, as was typical in January

未雨:
bsv的弊端没有吗,短板是什么,老哥肯定出过书
The malpractice of BSV does not have, what is short board, old brother has written a book for certain

重水vs铁粉:
那么,很多人主观认为的bsv减半行情就不存在就对了。
So, the BSV that a lot of people think subjectively by half the market does not exist on the right.

hslayj:
近期来说就是CSW还被认为是骗子,中期来说生态成长需要较长时间成熟,远期来说面临着和政治层面的博弈过程,可能会在某些地方受到打压
In the short term, CSW is still regarded as a fraud. In the medium term, ecological growth takes a long time to mature. In the long term, it faces a game with political level and may be suppressed in some places

hslayj:
这个应该是BSV的弊端
This should be the drawback of BSV

未雨:
他是分叉币好多不看好
He’s a fork coin, so few people like it.

hslayj:
是的,目前黄袍加身的是BTC,BTC的神话要靠博士的郁金香来破,或者他们自己作死更改比特币总量上限
Yes, the BTC is currently in the yellow robe, and the myth of the BTC depends on the doctor’s tulip to be broken, or they can change the bitcoin cap themselves

昊轩:
减半之后bsv好拉,btc不能翻倍会不会崩盘
After halving BSV good pull, BTC can’t double will crash

hslayj:
你去官网看看吧,
You go look on the website, , use translation software, very easy

清风徐来:
尤其在中国,政治,经济,金融,各方面都存在着信息差的壁垒,BSV的发展直接能颠覆整个国家运行中的规则,我不敢想象那得需要多么强大的心脏,能让保守派接手这巨大的变化,要知道我们社会本身有太多太多数不清的不透明啊
Especially in China, the political, economic, financial, there is an difference of message every aspect of the barriers to the development of the BSV directly to overthrow the country running rules, I can’t imagine how strong heart, will take conservative, took over the huge change, you know we have too much too most of society itself is not transparent

hslayj:
政治统治世界的弊端是很多的,区块链其实给人类提供了另外一种可能性,是否能把这种可能性发扬光大,其实是时代赋予这一批年轻人的任务。
而且区块链的改变不同于暴力颜色革命,它缓慢而温和,甚至不排斥与原有持续融合,然后慢慢的影响和变更,这种制度性改良工具对任何国家都是非常有用的。
可能开始只是让商家不撒谎,然后让人们更守信,最后让政府更透明,一点点的,人们可能甚至都感受不到,最后发现所有人都变的诚实了,人们更愿意用道理、财富和选票来征服世界,而暗箱操作或者暴力手段将会逐渐失去经济支持从而彻底破产。
There are many disadvantages of political domination in the world. In fact, blockchain provides another possibility for human beings. Whether this possibility can be carried forward or not is actually the task entrusted by The Times to these young people.
And the change of blockchain is different from the violent color revolution, it is slow and gentle, even does not exclude the continuous integration with the original, and then slowly influence and change, this kind of institutional improvement tool is very useful for any country.
May start to just let the merchants don’t lie, and then let people more faithful, finally make the government more transparent, a little bit, people may feel even, finally discovered that all people are honest, people more likely to use reason, wealth and votes to conquer the world, and black-box or violence will gradually lose economic support which is in tatters.

清风徐来:
成功的话那就是一个美好的伊甸园,真的会是一个全新的新世界,人们靠美好的品质和诚信生活在这个世界上,人们彼此信任的成本低,人人都为自己言行负责,这其实是在挑战整个世界,可想而知这道路是漫长且艰难的。
People live in this world with good quality and integrity. The cost of people trusting each other is low. Everyone is responsible for his words and deeds.

hslayj:
对的,区块链从一诞生的第一天起就是为了创造更诚实的世界,这个在2008年的白皮书中,诚实这个单词出现了15次,而那些骗子强盗却用它来做资金盘、开赌场,并且陷害和威胁原创者中本聪
Yes, blockchain was created from the very first day to create a more honest world. In the white paper of 2008, the word “honest” appeared 15 times, while the scammers and robbers used it to make money, run casinos and frame and threaten the originator satoshi nakamoto

清风徐来:
我们行走在人类文明升级的时代,幸运。
We are walking in the era of human civilization upgrade, lucky.

hslayj:
对的,只有从这个角度,你才能明白CSW中本聪博士在干什么,他之前的所有行为才能串成一条线索,让我们直达事实的真相和本质
Right, only from this perspective can you understand what Dr. CSW nakamoto is doing, and all his previous actions can be strung together into a thread that leads us to the truth and essence of the facts

清风徐来:
除了屯币一定要做些什么
What must I do except stock up

金矿:
@hslayj 我提一个偏颇的问题,如果博士意外死亡了。或者被别人谋杀了。那会影响bsv的发展么
@hslayj I ask a biased question if doc accidentally dies. Or murdered by someone else. Will that affect the development of BSV

hslayj:
时间维度上会,结果上不会,BSV已经锁定协议了,博士起的是精神领袖的作用,可能会加快生态的成熟,但是如果真的没有他,他的精神其实已经被很多如我的人认识到了,这和17年不一样,那时候博士的理念根本没多少人懂。
BSV has locked the agreement, the doctor plays the role of spiritual leader, may accelerate the ecological maturity, but if really without him, his spirit has been recognized by many people like me, which is different from 17 years ago, when the doctor’s concept is not understood by many people.

hslayj:
短期可能会大跌,但是长期来说不会致命,这个问题不是弱智问题,是非常好的问题,因为他是前期BSV的最大变量,因为CSW对BSV前期的影响实在是太大太大了
It might crash in the short run, but it’s not fatal in the long run, and it’s not a mental problem, it’s a very good problem, because it’s the biggest variable in BSV in the early days, because CSW has such a big impact on the early days of BSV

然:
锁定协议是啥意思,也就是说怎么锁定的,怎么保证后人不会改源码
Lock protocol is what meaning, that is to say how to lock, how to ensure that future generations will not change the source code

昊轩:
bsv已经统一思想了,底层代码不用改
BSV has been unified, the underlying code is not changed

hslayj:
锁定协议的就是,以后的代码除非是bug,否则不会动代码了,如果动代码,就会发生硬分叉,诚实矿工有权生存下去并维持没有更改的版本。
The locking agreement is that future code will not be moved unless it is a bug, if the code is moved, it will have a hard fork, the honest miners have the right to survive and maintain the unchanged version.

hslayj:
官方说法是,还有最后一次硬分叉,把当时BCH加的一个设定去掉。
Officially, there was one last hard split, removing one of the Settings that BCH had added at the time.

璨Steve:
难度
The difficulty

hslayj:
是的,说白了,就是不管代码怎么变,不能违背2008年的比特币白皮书,否则就不是比特币,就会遭到所有人反对。
Yes, to put it bluntly, no matter how the code changes, the 2008 bitcoin white paper cannot be violated, otherwise it is not bitcoin and will be opposed by everyone.

然:
但问题是,后入如果又出现类似core的组织介入bsv,强行改了代码,然后,,,
But the problem is, if a core-like organization comes in and changes the code, then,

hslayj:
那时候就会发生硬分叉,矿工会不接受这种更改
Then there would be a hard fork, and the miners would not accept the change

然:
或者不诚实算力站
Or dishonest power station

hslayj:
除非所有矿工和开发者达成一致,否则就是硬分叉
Until all miners and developers agree, it’s a hard fork

hslayj:
算力投票是比特币系统的最后防线,所有矿工都可以选择他们认为最正义的版本,所以以后底层协议没有重大的崩溃性bug,不会轻易的改
Calculation vote is the last line of defense for the bitcoin system, all miners can choose the version they think is the most just, so the underlying protocol will not be changed easily without major crash bugs in the future

CHEER不舍:
bsv这样拥抱监管 我认为其实已经不能叫去中心化了,如果中本聪当初是这样的愿景,他就不会提出去中心化的概念,因为不需要区块链也可以做到。虽然我也看好bsv的生态发展,但在去中心化的问题上,没必要黑btc,我认为btc做得更好,客观看待问题实事求是,我站中立
BSV embraced regulation in this way and I don’t think it can be called decentralization any more. If satoshi nakamoto had such a vision, he would not have proposed the concept of decentralization, because it can be done without blockchain. Although I am also optimistic about the ecological development of BSV, there is no need to black BTC on the issue of decentralization. I think BTC does a better job

hslayj:
这样才能真正算去中心化,因为没有任何单方面组织或个人能影响系统的发展,所有变更都要经过博弈完成,最后的纳什均衡和帕累托最优都停留在谁都不变协议,维持最初的样子
So it’s really decentralized, because there’s no single party or individual that can affect the development of the system, and all of the changes have to be done through the game, and the Nash equilibrium and the pareto optimality end up being the same as the original one

hslayj:
去中心化是相对矿工离散度的说法,超过3个矿工就能算去中心化系统,BTC是中心化的,因为BTC的Core可以随时改协议,你不知道他们最后会走向哪里
Decentralization is relative to the dispersion of miners, more than 3 miners can be counted as a decentralized system, BTC is centralized, because the Core of BTC can change the protocol at any time, you don’t know where they end up

然:
嗯 我也在纠结这个监管问题
Well, I’m also wrestling with this regulatory issue

hslayj:
中国人都纠结,国内还不让买呢
Chinese people are all entangled, domestic still don’t let buy

昊轩:
美国的btc大户跪求政府监管
America’s BTC masters are begging for government oversight

hslayj:
BTC的设计是躲避监管的,很多细节都是为了防政府,如果没有BSV这套逻辑,BTC其实可以勉强说逻辑自洽,之所以不愿意扩容,就是说扩容会导致全数据节点变少,甚至坍缩成几个大型数据中心,容易被政府一锅端,这是Core的采访时说的原话
BTC is designed to avoid supervision, many details are in order to prevent the government, if there is no BSV this logical, BTC can barely say logic self-consistent, expansion and is not willing to, that is expansion will lead to less total data node, or even collapse into several large data centers, easy to government ones, this is the Core of the interview

hslayj:
其实现在因为法币通胀的原因,投资者对政府的信任度是很低的,所以防政府迎合了很多投资人的这部分心里,特别是中国没有经历过以前数字货币被取消的经历,所以对这方面格外热一些,其实国外有很多次加密货币热潮都被政府给取缔了
Actually because of fiat inflation for now, investors’ trust in government is very low, so the government to cater to a lot of this part of the in the mind of investors, in particular, China has not experienced before the experience of digital currency was cancelled, so all the more to the warmer, in fact there are a lot of time abroad encryption monetary boom are banned by the government

CHEER不舍:
接受监管你的钱和放银行是没有区别的,强权随时可以介入,但btc不可以。这才叫你的钱才是你的钱,个人财产神圣不可侵犯。我如果是个富豪,我不会把所有钱放在bsv上
There is no difference between taking control of your money and putting it in the bank. That’s what makes your money your money, and personal property is sacrosanct. If I were a rich man, I wouldn’t put all my money in BSV

hslayj:
关键是,btc承诺的政府管不了这个不是事实,是谎言,事实是如果政府想管btc,是有足够的方法和手段的
The point is, the BTC’s promise that the government can’t take care of it is not a fact, it is a lie, the fact is that if the government wants to take care of BTC, there are enough ways and means

昊轩:
那你得用匿名币,btc和bsv一样容易被追踪
Then you have to use anonymous currency. BTC is as easy to track as BSV

hslayj:
政府之所以不去取缔btc,是因为btc是目前主流认为唯一成功的区块链应用,而区块链是个大的技术革命,政府不想扼杀掉新技术浪潮带来的可能性,但是如果BSV给了可监管区块链的入口,你猜到处都违法的BTC结果会怎么样?》
The reason why the government does not ban BTC is that BTC is the only successful blockchain application currently considered by the mainstream, and blockchain is a big technological revolution. The government does not want to kill the possibility brought by the wave of new technologies, but if BSV gives access to the supervised blockchain, guess what will happen to the illegal BTC everywhere? “

CHEER不舍:
@hslayj 其实我认为政府可以取缔btc
@hslayj actually I think the government can ban BTC

hslayj:
所以我才说,如果BSV不出来,BTC那套逻辑可以勉强适用,但是BSV出来了,BTC就没价值了
That’s why I’m saying, if BSV doesn’t come out, the BTC logic will work, but if BSV comes out, BTC is worthless

CHEER不舍:
不认为
Don’t think

hslayj:
只要中美合作了,大部分矿工都在法律触手下,btc是需要矿工来维护的,矿工都被政府管住了,btc也就被管住了,这就是政府取缔btc的路径
As long as China and the United States cooperate, most of the miners are under the law, BTC is needed to maintain the miners, miners are controlled by the government, BTC will be controlled, this is the path of the government to ban BTC

CHEER不舍:
现在btc主要的矿工在中国,政府如果要介入,全世界几百个国家,都可以是矿工容身之地
Now that BTC’s main miners are in China, hundreds of countries around the world could be safe havens for miners if the government stepped in

然:
最后发现,区块链也变成了强权愚民的工具,除非共产主义提前到来
It turns out that blockchain has also become a tool for strong-arm fools, unless communism comes early

hslayj:
如果政府不介入,过十几年,挖矿补贴取消了,BTC也就自然死亡了,除非BTC更改总量,那样的话又是一套逻辑,反正就是所有人都在Core的利益驱动下行事,而你不知道这群人会怎么样,与其信任这群无政府主义者,你甚至还不如信任政府来的靠谱,起码政府还被舆论监督、被民众影响
If the government doesn’t step in, after more than ten years, dig subsidies canceled, BTC is a natural death, unless the BTC change the total amount, it is a set of logic, anyway, is that all people are driven by the Core interests, and you don’t know what will happen to this group of people, and their trust in the group of anarchists, you not even trust on the government, at least, the government has also been supervision by public opinion, affected by the public

hslayj:
矿机是死的,政府一夜之间就可以端掉所有矿场,还给你逃到国外的机会么,你知道美国政府的触手有多长么,矿工挖矿是有成本的,如果没有稳定的挖矿环境,说死就死了
The mining machine is dead, the government can close all the mines overnight and give you the chance to escape abroad. Do you know how long the tentacles of the us government are

CHEER不舍:
只要世界上有无政府主义者和core党这样的人存在,btc就不会灭亡
The BTC will not die as long as there are anarchists and coreites in the world

hslayj:
你觉得这帮人能为了利益抹黑中本聪,他们不能为了利益去牺牲普通投资者的钱么
Do you think these people can smear satoshi nakamoto for profit and they can’t sacrifice the money of ordinary investors for profit

然:
无政府主义似乎挺好,但core的机制不可持续,
Anarchism seems fine, but the mechanics of core are unsustainable,

hslayj:
区块链成为不了愚民工具的,除非全世界只有一个政府,诚实意味着你的所有行为都是被看见的,特别是公权力的行使尤其如此,而所谓的愚民,就是让老百姓不能了解真相,进行舆论审查和过滤
Blockchain cannot be a tool for fools, unless there is only one government in the world. Honesty means that all your actions are seen, especially the exercise of public power

CHEER不舍:
比起ZF,我更愿意相信自己,自己掌握自己的财富
Compared with ZF, I prefer to believe in myself and own my own wealth

hslayj:
现在的很多zf行为确实是不值得信任的,这其实也是区块链要解决的问题
Nowadays, many zf behaviors are indeed untrustworthy, which is also a problem to be solved by blockchain

hslayj:
bsv所谓的可监管,其实和银行还是有区别的,银行属于国家,单个国家就可以做出决策,bsv可能更像世界银行,单个国家是无法影响的,需要获得国家联盟的认可
In fact, the so-called regulatory capability of BSV is different from that of Banks. Banks belong to countries and individual countries can make decisions. BSV may be more like the world bank

hslayj:
而国家博弈会让这个监管的范围尽可能的小,最多管一管洗钱,贩毒,反恐什么的,我猜
And the state game is going to keep the scope of regulation as small as possible, money laundering, drug trafficking, terrorism, I guess

CHEER不舍:
bsv拥抱监管,记录上链 只会让行踪更加透明化。这应该不是区块链要解决的问题和初衷吧
BSV embraced regulation, and the chain of records only made the trail more transparent. This should not be the block chain to solve the problem and the original intention

hslayj:
财富的可追踪性是所有国家的反洗钱法的最基本规定,区块链只有可追踪,才会被法律允许
。BSV相当于是从特定地址来发出各种请求,国家只要知道了你的注册地址,就可以追踪到你的所有消费,这也就是可审查可监管的真实含义。
The traceability of wealth is the most basic provision of the anti-money laundering laws in all countries, and only the traceable blockchain will be allowed by law
. BSV is the equivalent of making requests from a specific address. Once the state knows your registered address, it can track all your purchases.

昊轩:
bsv将是有用不堵的世界货币
BSV will be the world’s most useful currency

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