比特币经济学 8 : 万链归一

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比特币经济学:基于BitcoinSV的全新视角来重新构想世界经济格局 #

Recreating Economics based on Bitcoin : Reimagining the world economic landscape based on a new perspective of BitcoinSV #

CONTENTS (目录) #

比特币经济学 : 首页
比特币经济学 1 : 开讲
比特币经济学 2 : 法律
比特币经济学 3 : CSW
比特币经济学 4 : 法币崩溃
比特币经济学 5 : 核心概念定调
比特币经济学 6 : 经济危机 HOT !!!
比特币经济学 7 : 路径 HOT !!!
比特币经济学 8 : 万链归一
比特币经济学 9 : 产业区块链
比特币经济学 10 : 去中心化
比特币经济学 11 : 代际剥削
比特币经济学 12 : 族群矛盾
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Conversation : 2020.4.15 ~ 4.16 #

武夷茶:
打点钱包是bsv上的一个应用吗?
DotWallet, Is it an app on BSV?

不写代码的架构师:
钱包应用,metanet.press
Wallet app, metanet.press

武夷茶:
那么这些钱包地址就是建设在是bsv区块链上,永远不会消失吗?是否这个意思?
So these wallet addresses are built on the BSV blockchain and will never disappear? Does that mean that?

Stephen周:
@武夷茶 是这个意思
Yes

hslayj:
BSV社区把投机者和建设者区隔开来是有问题的,这其实也是我对BSV社区最大的担心,建设者与投机者的关系更像是船和水的关系,光有水没有船,人会被淹死,光有船没有水,船就走不远。现代金融体系参与者大部分是投机者,投机者多了才有投资者的生存土壤,甚至很多时候投机和投资行为是互为转化彼此影响的,投机者本身也是可以成长为传播者和投资者的,而投资者直接决定了一个产业的投入,这样就能够造就建设者更多的试错机会和融资能力。万链归一需要的不是非此即彼的二元对立思维,而是海纳百川,包容并蓄的共赢氛围,一个体系只有让所有参与者都找到自己的位置,才具备一飞冲天的能力和改变世界的底气,光靠BSV目前的这些人闭门造车是不行的。
It is a problem for the BSV community to separate the speculators from the builders, which is actually my biggest worry for the BSV community. The relationship between the builders and the speculators is more like the relationship between the boat and the water. Modern financial system most participants are speculators, the survival of the soil more speculators are investors, even when a lot of speculation and investment behavior is mutual influence each other, speculators itself also can grow up to be communicators and investors, and investors directly determines the input of an industry, so you can make a builder more opportunities for trial and error and financing ability. What is needed is not binary oppositional thinking of either/or, but a win-win atmosphere of inclusiveness and inclusiveness. Only when all participants find their positions in a system can they have the ability to rise to the sky and the confidence to change the world.

武夷茶:
有道理,知识分子应该有宽广的胸怀,能够接纳不同的意见
It is reasonable that intellectuals should have a broad mind and be able to accept different opinions

hslayj:
嗯😊 只要没有人身攻击和诽谤,正常探讨是很好的成长路径,哪怕观点不一样,只要尊重事实与逻辑,就是健康探讨
Well 😊 as long as no personal attacks and defamation, normal is good growth path, even if the view is not the same, as long as respect facts and logic, is health

武夷茶:
对,大家都学习bsv的使用,应用,才能成长,我觉得只要符合法律法规的意见和问题,都可以学习探讨
Yes, everyone can learn the use and application of BSV to grow. I think as long as the opinions and problems in accordance with laws and regulations can be studied and discussed

清风徐来:
咱们群是成长交流群,多探讨[咖啡]多交流,大家一起成长。我上周末刚把博士的博客全看完,结合群里大家的聊天和hslayj的大架构讲解理解的比以前好和深,毕竟不是专业相关,有些内容理解起来有点费解,但仍然想通过更多的学习匹配自己的投资行为,准备再把刘晔律师的翻译和CoinGeek公号的文章看一下加深理解。
Our group is a growth exchange group, more discussion [coffee] more exchange, we grow together. I have just finished all the doctor’s blog last weekend, in the combination group of people chat and hslayj big architecture on understanding and better than before, after all, is not related to our major, some content to understand a bit confusing, but still want to learn by more matching their investment behavior, going to translate liu lawyers and CoinGeek articles look at the deeper understanding.

比特币张摩西:
看的挺快
A quick look

hslayj:
东方有君子之风,西方有贵族精神,本质都是讲求一种强者思维,因为自己把自己当强者,所以遇见比自己弱的人是人生常态,这样就会有更多的包容情怀;遇见比自己强的人是难得的学习进步机会,这样就会有更多的感恩精神和对强者的尊重,BSV要想真的在现实中万链归一领袖群雄,这种容忍后进者无知、允许同行者不同甚至犯错的强者精神就必须成为社区的精神烙印,否则没人愿意接受被自命不凡却又党同伐异、欺负后来者的社区氛围领导,后面的路还很长,后面可能还需要近万倍的社区扩容,比特币社区才真正有问鼎神器的能力。
The east has the wind of the gentleman, the west has the noble spirit, the essence is to emphasize a kind of strong thinking, because they think of themselves as the strong, so it is the normal life to meet people who are weaker than themselves, so there will be more inclusive feelings; Met someone better than they are is a rare opportunity to study progress, so that there will be more grateful spirit and respect for the strong, BSV really want to in reality all chain unto a leader, which tolerates latecomers ignorance, allowing their different or even make a mistake of the strong spirit must be the spirit of the community, otherwise no one is willing to accept the pretensions and intolerance, bully others community atmosphere of leadership, the back of the road is very long, behind may also need to nearly ten thousand times of community capacity, COINS community truly has the ability to bid for artifact.

任小重:
东方有君子之风,西方有贵族精神,本质都是讲求一种强者思维,这个话有点尼采的意思,尼采本人崇尚的就是强者思维,鄙视传统道德
The east has the wind of the gentleman, the west has the noble spirit, the essence is to emphasize a kind of strong thinking, this word is a little bit Nietzsche’s meaning, Nietzsche himself advocated is the strong thinking, despise the traditional morality

hslayj:
每种道德和思想都有其本身的经济政治文化背景,算是当时人们的行为共识准则,所以都多多少少有历史适用性和局限性,鄙视不至于,动态发展的眼光不断审视就好了,只求因果,不分高下。
Each morality and thought has its own economic, political and cultural background, which is the common standard of people’s behavior at that time. Therefore, they all have more or less little historical applicability and limitations, so it is better not to despise them. It is better to constantly examine them from the perspective of dynamic development.

孙牧:
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孙牧:
这篇文章对于BSVer目前对外界观望者应该秉持的态度挺犀利的,现阶段摒弃噪音,快速打造出若干全球范围的、对用户有普世价值的Killer Application才是重中之重,毕竟之前的弯路浪费了不少时间,先发优势几乎快没有了。
This article is very sharp about BSVer’s current attitude towards outsiders. At this stage, it is the priority to quickly build a number of global and universal Killer applications without noise. After all, the previous detour wasted a lot of time, and the first-mover advantage is almost gone.

hslayj:
如果说BSV体系的第一步骤是涅槃重生,那我觉得现在已经应该到了BSV体系的第二个阶段了,那就是王者归来,每一次人类历史上的重大金融创新本质都是一次文明思想的升级,债务关系的出现和股份公司的出现都是如此,重塑人与信仰的关系、人与社会的关系以及人与人的关系是金融创造的最大思想源泉,让普通人参与进来、让同行参与进来、让各个领域的人都参与进来,这个游戏才能继续,比特币前十年的浩劫固然有无政府主义者和江湖骗子这些鬼魅魍魉作祟带来的重大影响,但是比特币本身缺乏足够深度的思想体系导致了从业者没有统一认识,传统力量没有改良抓手,万链齐发、千人千面的币圈链圈怪相才会层出不穷。CSW在反思早期错误其实就是很好的社区榜样,承认BSV目前并不完美、BSV体系需要更多的发展力量和社会支持,我认为才是BSV第二阶段王者归来的主要旋律,窗口期也就这么些年,时间不等人。
If BSV system is the first step of nirvana reborn, I think that now should be in the second stage of BSV system, it is the return of the king, every major financial innovation in the history of the human nature is an upgrade of civilization thought, the emergence of the relationship between debt and the emergence of the joint-stock company, reshape the relationship between man and religion, the relation between man and society, and the interpersonal relationship is the largest source of financial creation, let common people to participate, let colleagues involved, make all areas of people involved, the game can continue, COINS in the past ten years of catastrophe is the presence of government and charlatans these ghosts shadows work bring significant impact, but the depth of the currency itself lacks enough thought system led to the practitioners, having no unified recognition improved conventional power no gripper, chain qi, and people on the surface of the thousand one thousand COINS ring chain ring grimace would emerge in endlessly. CSW reflected on the early mistakes, which was actually a good example of the community, and admitted that BSV is not perfect at present, and the BSV system needs more development power and social support. I think it is the main melody of the second stage of BSV return of the king. The window period is only a few years, and time waits for no one.

聪子:
迫在眉睫,势在必行👍
Is around the corner, it is imperative to 👍

孙牧:
昨天转发到群里的聊天记录,林总(明哲)提到“BSV的核心价值是全球唯一不可篡改真相之源”,这个很认可,但我一直有个疑惑没有解开。就是打造全球范围的“万链归一”,不可能一日建成,还是需要一个项目、一个区域地去完成。那么,具体到国内一些具体的数据上链需求,BSV和蚂蚁金服、微众银行等企业推广的联盟链,如何竞争?考虑到国内ZF对BTC之前的态度、互联网环境的监管力度,感觉BSV没有什么明显的亮点,这种情况下,如何在国内推广BSV?现阶段,对于国内的BSV技术企业和开发者,聚焦BSV的基础设施、提供面向海外企业的ToB服务,是不是更现实一些?!
In the chat record forwarded to the group yesterday, general manager Lin (Ming zhe) mentioned that “the core value of BSV is the only source of truth in the world that cannot be tampered with”, which is very acceptable, but I still have a doubt. It is impossible to build one chain in a day. It still needs to be completed by one project and one region. Then, specific to some specific domestic data chain demand, BSV and ant financial, webank and other enterprises to promote the alliance chain, how to compete? Considering the previous attitude of domestic ZF to BTC and the supervision of Internet environment, I feel that BSV has no obvious bright spot. In this case, how to promote BSV in China? At present, is it more realistic for domestic BSV technology companies and developers to focus on BSV infrastructure and provide ToB services for overseas companies? !

孙牧:
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孙牧:
类似这样的项目,肯定适合BSV做,但是在国内,BSV如何和AntFin竞争?大家有什么观点,一起讨论讨论
Such a project is definitely suitable for BSV, but how can BSV compete with AntFin in China? Do you have any ideas to discuss together

刘晔律师:
这种存证在法律上是没有多大意义的
Such depository receipts do not make much sense in law

孙牧:
@刘晔律师 愿闻其详
To know the details

刘晔律师:
因为缺乏身份系统
Because of the lack of an identity system

孙牧:
用户注册可以填写身份证信息啊
The user registers can fill in id card information

刘晔律师:
存证不是存作品内容没有改动,而是存作品与身份的对应唯一性
Depositing certificate is not the content of depositing works has not changed, but the uniqueness of depositing works and identity

刘晔律师:
@孙牧 用户冒充注册呢,身份系统的解决只有万链归一下才有可能
The user impersonates register, the solution of identity system only 10 thousand chain return ability is possible

孙牧:
之前的作品可能解决不了,但是这个系统上线后,作者在这个平台上首发作品,还是可以起到很好的存证作用的,对于想保护自己作品的人来说
Previous works may not be able to solve this problem, but after the system is launched, the author’s works published on this platform can still play a very good role in the storage, for those who want to protect their works

hslayj:
数据的价值和数据的纬度呈指数增长关系,所以区块链的逻辑一定是大链吃小链,国际链吃国家链,最后整合成全球唯一的真相之源,林总在这方面的的概括确实是很精准的
The value of data increases exponentially with the latitude of data, so the logic of block chain must be that the big chain eats the small chain, the international chain eats the national chain, and finally integrates into the only source of truth in the world. General manager Lin’s generalization in this respect is indeed accurate

孙牧:
“身份系统的解决只有万链归一下才有可能”这个可以展开解释一下吗?或者有相关的文章链接也行 @刘晔律师
“The solution of the identity system is only possible once the chain returns” can this be expanded to explain? Or a link to a related article will do

刘晔律师:
还是得先证明在这个平台发表作品的人就是创作者本人,这就是BSV的奥义所在
It is still necessary to prove that the person who publishes the work on this platform is the creator himself, which is the essence of BSV

荣哥理财师:
安全,成本,容量,速度,优者胜
Safety, cost, capacity, speed, the best

刘晔律师:
到目前为止,所有的区块链存证项目都没有法律上的价值
So far, all blockchain depository projects have no legal value

hslayj:
账本一定是越少越准确,如果有两套账本就有可能一套是假账,所以多链并存会带来信用互斥问题,最后完成大账本对小账本的信用碾压,小账本就面临信用危机和链枯萎问题,万链归一是区块链的唯一出路
Accounts must be less accurate, if there are two sets of accounts is likely to be a set of false accounts, so the coexistence of multiple chains will bring credit exclusion problems, finally complete the big account on the small account of credit roller, small account is faced with the credit crisis and chain wilt, the only way to block chain

不写代码的架构师:
社区有个大律师真好
It’s good to have a barrister in the community

hslayj:
而唯一有资格万链归一的项目,只有中本聪的真身参与才是正本清源的区块链,其他人永远绕不过这个话题,人们不可能通过诽谤创始人来创造一个诚实世界,除非bsv哪天真的死了。阿里链腾讯链如果以后做的好,可能会直接做生态移植,大企业的战略布局从来都不是对抗趋势,而是顺势而为
And the only project qualified for all chain one, only satoshi nakamoto’s real participation is the original clean source of the block chain, others will never around this topic, people can not create an honest world through defamation of the founder, unless BSV which naive died. If alibaba chain and tencent chain do well in the future, they may directly do ecological transplantation. The strategic layout of large enterprises is never to fight against the trend, but to follow the trend

刘晔律师:
@孙牧 非常简单,如果有两条链,有两人均声称独立创作了某一作品,也就是出现了两个真相来源,怎么办?还得靠现实其他证据,也就是还需消耗其他成本。所以,万链归一,仅有一个真相来源时,成本最低。
Very simply, what if there were two chains, two people claiming to have independently created a work, that is, two sources of truth? There is real evidence that there are other costs involved. So, when the chain is one and there is only one source of truth, the cost is lowest.

hslayj:
而且目前来看,所有的币圈与链圈想象基本都是BSV的子集,连平行都做不到,更别说同等竞争了
And so far, all coinage and chain coinage are subsets of BSV, not even parallel, let alone equally competitive

刘晔律师:
万链归一,对人类数万年文明而言,是惊天动地的,当然不会很快来到这个
One million chain, for human civilization of tens of thousands of years, is earth-shattering, of course, will not come to this soon

孙牧:
对于新创造的作品,谁上链时间早,谁就是原创的啊。以前的老作品,应该更复杂些

刘晔律师:
@孙牧 上链时间不等于创作时间,实际上,BSV要作的便是实时行为实时记录,这样真相只有一个
On the chain time is not equal to creation time, in fact, BSV to do is real-time behavior real-time record, so that there is only one truth

孙牧:
对于想保护自己作品,理解作品上链意义的作者来说,他完成作品后、给别人看之前,完全可以自己先把作品上链吧?
For the author who wants to protect his work and understand the meaning of the chain of his work, after he finishes his work and before he shows it to others, he can chain his work by himself, right?

刘晔律师:
而不是做完了放一放,再上链。BSV下,上链本身就是创作
Instead of putting it away and putting it on the chain. Under BSV, the upper chain itself is creation

比特币张摩西:
了解下局域网和互联网的区别
Understand the difference between LAN and Internet

孙牧:
我昨天还真翻看了一下互联网的历史,从APRANet到NFSNet,对比比特币这几年的进程看,有些意思的😁
Yesterday, I was reading about the history of the Internet, from APRANet to NFSNet, compared to the currency in recent years, the process of some interesting 😁

Stephen周:
@刘晔律师 如果一方声称自己2020年创作;另一方声称自己2019年创作,并拿出了2019年作品已经上链的交易,有用吗?
If one party claims to be creating in 2020; The other party claims that it will produce the work in 2019 and offers a deal that the 2019 work is already on the chain. Is that useful?

孙牧:
我还是没明白,在这一点上(作品存证)bsv比蚂蚁公链有什么不同的优势?
I still don’t understand, at this point (works preservation certificate) BSV has what different advantages over ant public chain?

孙牧:
想象一个摄影师完成一个拍摄作品后,他在BSV和蚂蚁TWC上链的步骤似乎没有什么差异?
Imagine a photographer completing a shoot and there seems to be no difference in the steps of his chain on BSV and ant TWC?

hslayj:
信用是有网络效应的,比如专利这个东西,你有中国专利拿到国外就不好使了,需要国际专利才好使,链本身的信用能力在竞争中会有高下之分。
Credit is a network effect, such as the patent this thing, you have a Chinese patent to foreign countries is not good, the need for international patent to be good, the chain of its own credit ability in the competition will be superior or inferior.

孙牧:
这是一个很好的point
That’s a good point

Stephen周:
我是认为只有pow公链能完全保证历史不可篡改
I think only the public chain of pow can fully guarantee that history cannot be tampered with

荣哥理财师:
@孙牧 蚂蚁链需要信任阿里的。蚂蚁链证明与bsv冲突时,以谁为准?
Ant chain needs to trust ali. In case of conflict between ant chain proof and BSV, who shall prevail?

hslayj:
而数据纬度越多,时间历史越久,数据基数越大的链最后的信用纬度就越高,对于用户来说,如果我直接可以拿到全球认可的最好信用,就没有必要用一些冷门行业链,而行业链如果上BSV能成为行业标准,那么它也就有动力完成生态迁移至BSV,本质上这个过程对用户,行业链还有BSV生态是共赢的。
Latitude and the data, the more the longer time history, data base, the greater the chain end credit the higher latitude, for users, if I can get the recognition of the world’s best credit directly, it is not necessary to use some unpopular industry chain, and if the BSV industry chain to become the industry standard, then it will have an incentive to complete ecological migration to the BSV, essentially the process for the user, and BSV ecological industry chain is a win-win.

Stephen周:
真相不会冲突的,如果链上数据冲突了,就在证据链上找其他出问题的环节,找到造假
The truth will not conflict, if the chain of data conflict, on the chain of evidence to find other problems in the link, find the falsification

hslayj:
阿里和腾讯做区块链,本质就和当初的电信,移动做互联网一样,赛道是一定要抢的,基因是一定不符的,最后行业大势还是有其历史必然性驱动的
Alibaba and tencent do block chain, the essence is the same as the original telecommunications, mobile do Internet, the track is must be grabbed, the gene is certain to be inconsistent, the industry trend is still driven by its historical inevitability

刘晔律师:
@孙牧 BSV竞争胜出,万链归一了就有意义,否则跟蚂蚁链确实区别不大
BSV competition to win, all the chain is meaningful, otherwise with ant chain is not really different

hslayj:
人们用阿里链本质不是信任链,而是信任阿里,阿里链本质并没有增加人们对阿里的信任,而真正的区块链逻辑是。我不认识这个陌生人,但是他给我看了某条数据,那我就能绝对相信这条数据的真实性,从空气中创造出来的信任才是区块链的最大魅力
The essence of ali chain is not trust chain, but trust ali. The essence of ali chain does not increase people’s trust in ali, while the real logic of blockchain is. I don’t know this stranger, but he showed me some data, then I can absolutely believe the authenticity of this data, the trust created from the air is the biggest charm of blockchain

hslayj:
区块链的政治中性基因其实非常重要,这其实就把很多的行业大咖给排除掉了,他们做做行业链挺好的,真的到万链归一的那一天,可能全球性区块链行业标准很快就确立了,就和汽车零件生产和汽车组装的逻辑一样
The political neutrality gene of blockchain is actually very important, which actually excludes a lot of industry giants. It is good for them to do the industry chain. When the chain is completed, the global blockchain industry standard may be established very soon, just like the logic of automobile parts production and automobile assembly

孙牧:
和林总沟通了一下,和群里的观点不谋而合! @hslayj @刘晔律师 多谢答疑
And Lin communicated, and the group’s point of view happened to coincide!  

hslayj:
其实高手很多的,区块链万链归一的逻辑一旦确立,会有很多行业资源迅速涌入进来,就和当初的移动互联网逻辑一样,先来的有肉吃,后来的只能喝汤,没来的那就要准备被淘汰了,企业家这个群体是最不用担心的。
In fact, there are a lot of masters, block chain, the logic of the chain, once established, there will be a lot of industry resources quickly poured in, and the original mobile Internet logic, the first to have meat to eat, then can only drink soup, it is ready to be eliminated, entrepreneurs this group is the least need to worry about.

别情:
是不是说现阶段如果阿里区块链起来了,币圈很多链特别是没什么共识的基本上就没有生存空间了
Does it mean that if the block chain of ali is set up at this stage, there will be no living space for many chains, especially those without consensus

hslayj:
现在本质上除了矿工群体外的很多链生态都是靠补贴生存赔钱赚吆喝或者有的靠割韭菜生存,区块链的市场利基还没人完全找到。
一个生意从创意到商业模型到商业成熟到行业地位确立基本都是以十年记的,很多看起来很容易的路径真正做起来并不容易,能生存下来的企业家都是人中龙凤
Now, in essence, many of the chain ecology, except the miners’ group, is based on subsidies to survive at a loss or some on chives. No one has fully found the market niche of blockchain.
A business goes from idea to business model to business maturity to industry status in a decade. Many seemingly easy paths are not so easy. The entrepreneurs who survive are the best of the best

别情:
看样子未来一段时间就是币圈大佬抱紧比特币大腿和联盟链做斗争的节奏。那些无法扩容,又没有共识的玩意注定是要归零。
It looks like the next few days are going to be a time when the ringleaders are going to be holding on to the bitcoin thigh and fighting against the alliance chain. Things that can’t be expanded and have no consensus are doomed to zero.

hslayj:
是的,区块链领域BSV王者归来的逻辑就是:顺之者昌,逆之则亡,鬼魅魍魉,非死即伤。
Yes, the logic of BSV’s comeback in the blockchain field is: the one who succeeds will prosper, the one who goes against will perish, the devil will destroy, and either death or injury.

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这个名单基本就说明了国家目前区块链的发展思路是鼓励行业链的尝试发展,BSV还没有进入国家层面的决策视野
This list basically shows that the country’s current blockchain development idea is to encourage the industry chain to try to develop, and BSV has not entered the decision-making horizon of the country

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曹远铖:
可惜还没有bsv
Unfortunately there is no BSV

hslayj:
在可以预见的很长一段时间内应该很难在BSV体系中看到国内国家队的身影,这就和当初马云做阿里之前做了两个网站中国网络黄页和中国外经贸网站却都又因为国家队背景水土不服不得不逃走一样,不要太担心国家队。政治讲究的是控制和正统,创新讲究的是大胆尝试和基因突变,借用马云一句话:今天很残酷,明天也很残酷,后天很美好,大多数人死在明天晚上。
In the foreseeable long period of time should be difficult to see the figure of the national team in the BSV system, which is the same as the original jack ma before ali made two websites China network yellow pages and China’s foreign trade website but had to flee because of the national team background, do not worry too much about the national team. Politics is about control and orthodoxy, while innovation is about bold attempts and genetic mutations. To borrow a phrase from jack ma, “today is cruel, tomorrow is cruel, the day after tomorrow is beautiful, and most people die tomorrow night.

任小重:
大型公司做的区块链发展到最后会不会脱离人们对大型公司的信任进而变成对大型公司所开发的区块链本身的信任?演变成类似的公链?
Will the blockchain developed by large companies eventually lose people’s trust in large companies and become the trust in the blockchain itself developed by large companies? Into a similar common chain?

刘晔律师:
区块链是基于多个陌生人的信息技术,不存在某个大公司的区块链
Blockchain is based on the information technology of multiple strangers. There is no blockchain of a large company

hslayj:
法币通胀体系本质上是一次巨大的代际博弈形成的纳什均衡,当权者通过透支未来的体系信用来不断增加财政体系透支能力,新生代际上位后不得不跟随早期先发者博弈策略进行透支下一代信用体系维持体系生存,最后的结果就是信用体系的透支不断加重,后来者已经失去了挣扎反抗的能力,在经济上体现在年轻代际的财务能力越来越弱,看起来GDP数字很好看却是国进民退,整个体系像一条不断自己吃掉自己尾巴的贪吃蛇一样最终崩溃。国家队在区块链领域成不了大气候,因为诚实和力量是两个纬度的事情。
Fiat inflation system is essentially a huge generational the Nash equilibrium of game formation, authority by overdraw the future system of credit to finance system overdrafts ability, increasing the newborn generation after the host has to follow the early starter who game strategy of overdraft of the next generation of credit system to maintain system, is the final result of overdraft of credit system deepening, others have lost the ability to struggle against, in the economy now financial capacity of young generation has become more and more weak, GDP figures look very good-looking is guo jin min tui, the whole system as a continuous himself eating its own tail snake finally collapse. The national team is not a big deal in the blockchain field, because honesty and strength are two things.

hslayj:
看懂BSV体系,在人类文明认知上就形成了对所有现存体系的降维看透认知,也就能看明白整个区块链体系的前世今生以及未来演化路径,抛开BSV谈区块链,永远是在大门外徘徊,看不清想不明的逻辑太多太多,这对于政治挂帅的国家队来说是永远绕不过去的坎。美国已经可以说是全球最先进的制度和科技了,现在还不是被脆弱的金融体系拖累的灰头土脸,市场经济把财富交给了富人,民主政治却把政治屠刀给了穷人,这种体系性的脆弱存在于政治体系的方方面面,传统体系的结构崩溃是可以预见的。
Read the BSV system, was formed on the cognition of human civilization of all existing system dimension reduction through cognitive, also can see the whole block incarnations of chain system and future evolution path, despite the BSV block chain, is always wandered the gate, could not see to too many unknown logic, it is always for the political reform &opening-up international is not the past. System of the United States as the world’s most advanced science and technology, now has not been a drag on a fragile financial system of the door, put the wealth to the rich market economy, democratic politics is the political knife to the poor, the system sex vulnerability exists in all aspects of the political system, the structure of the traditional system collapse is predictable.

任小重:
市场经济把财富交给了富人,民主政治却把政治屠刀给了穷人,这种体系性的脆弱存在于政治体系的方方面面,传统体系的结构崩溃是可以预见的,这话说的……
The market economy gives wealth to the rich, while the democracy gives the political butcher’s knife to the poor. This kind of systematic fragility exists in all aspects of the political system. The structural collapse of the traditional system is predictable.

hslayj:
美国没经历过中国很多朝代的更替,对体系性脆弱的防范不足是正常的,体系性的傲慢存在于很多正统价值观中,信或不信无所谓,历史会给出答案。

觉得可以靠印钞票解决问题这个逻辑本来就很魔幻,但是放在体系逻辑上,大家就习惯了,哪怕历史上的几乎所有印钞例证都没有好下场,但主流人群或者当权者每次都会觉得这次是一个例外。
The United States has not experienced many dynastic changes in China, and it is normal to be insufficiently guarded against the fragility of the system. The arrogance of the system exists in many orthodox values. Believe it or not, history will give the answer.

The logic that you can solve a problem by printing money is magical, but in terms of the logic of the system, people are used to it, even if almost all the examples of printing money in history have a bad end, but every time the mainstream people or the people in power will think this is an exception.

hslayj:
把BSV这条诺亚方舟做好,大洪水来的时候能救多少是多少吧。非通胀体系可以使得财富的时间信用更加稳固,人们能够从更长的纬度规划财富,而不是像今天这样,拿着钞票怕贬值,拿去投资怕亏损,存钱可耻,借债光荣,当意外来临的时候,只能面临一地鸡毛的金融危机,老年人没安全感因为养老靠国家,年轻人也没安全感因为收入涨不过物价,大家都没安全感,因为所有人都有一屁股债。
Build Noah’s ark BSV and save as much as you can when the flood comes. Of inflation system can make wealth time credit more solid, can people from longer latitude planning of wealth, not like today, take money afraid of depreciation, afraid to investment losses, saving a disgrace, borrowing a glorious, when the accident comes, only face a feather of the financial crisis, the elderly insecure because pension by countries, young people are insecure because income but prices rise, everybody is insecure, because all people have a debt.

清风徐来:
嗯,逐渐了解BSV后,看现有的很多体系确实有降维观看的感觉,这个世界从来都不是它表面所展示的样子。
Well, after getting to know BSV, looking at many of the existing systems does have the sense of dimensionality reduction. The world is never what it appears to be.

hslayj:
国家也会博弈,BSV体系的早期参与国将会有非常明显的产业先发优势,我之前讲过国债体系的借尸还魂逻辑,BSV体系的早期参与国将能够通过产业先发优势迅速解决国债和公共债务的经济困扰问题,这是万亿美金级别的国家红利,甚至是美元僵尸金融体系唯一的生还机会,有兴趣可以回头看看以前的聊天记录。
Early game, countries will BSV system participating countries will be very obvious industry first mover advantage, I have said before Treasury system rebirthing logic, early BSV system of participating countries will be able to through the industry first mover advantage quickly solve the problem of national debt and the economy of public debt, this is a country with a level of trillion-dollar bonus, or even $zombie survivors of the financial system is the only chance, interested can look at the previous chat logs.

hslayj:
不用所有国家都早期参与BSV建设,只要早期参与的国家是最终胜利者就行了,这就是BSV体系的魅力。

站在公司的角度,产品的角度,行业的角度,国家的角度,世界的角度,历史的角度,文明的角度,自然的角度,结论都会不一样。
It is not necessary for all countries to participate in the BSV construction in the early stage, as long as the early participating countries are the final winners, which is the charm of the BSV system.

From the perspective of the company, the perspective of the product, the perspective of the industry, the perspective of the country, the perspective of the world, the perspective of history, the perspective of civilization, the perspective of nature, the conclusion will be different.

清风徐来:
如果今年博士夺不回冠名会对BSV有什么影响吗
Will it affect BSV if the doctor does not get his name back this year

hslayj:
只要csw能动郁金香就没问题,如果动不了会拖后BSV成熟期一到两年,毕竟逻辑不管多牛,不能让所有人耐心倾听也没用,正名的意义在于让世界愿意倾听BSV体系的价值和逻辑。
As long as CSW can move tulips, it will be ok, if not, it will delay the maturity of BSV for one or two years, after all, no matter how good the logic is, it is no use asking everyone to listen patiently, the meaning of name correction is to make the world willing to listen to the value and logic of BSV system.

hslayj:
不管bsv结局如何,现在的币圈都很难有生还者,因为大部分从业者根本就不懂区块链的真谛,BSV解决的是文明的隐患和问题,大部分现有的区块链仅仅把自己当一个产品,连万链归一的口号都不敢喊,更别说去实施和尝试了,充其量是个局域网应用罢了。
Whatever BSV ending, now money ring is difficult to have survivors, because most of the practitioners who know nothing about the true meaning of chain blocks, is the hidden trouble of civilization and BSV to solve the problem, most of the existing block only put himself when a product chain, chain unto a slogan couldn’t shout, let alone to implement and try, at best, a local area network (LAN) application.

hslayj:
很多人用生物进化模型来介绍自己的链,然而区块链其实更像是一种生态,持续进化针对的是链上生态,而不是链本身,链本身是靠稳定协议来维持规则的长久可预期性的,如果链本身可以持续改良,那改良者就是这条链的权力中心,只要权力中心存在,诚实就要向权力屈服,诚实世界就永远是海市蜃楼无从谈起。
而现在能做到协议稳定的只有BSV,其它一个能打的都没有
Many people use evolution model to introduce their own chain, chain block actually more like a kind of ecological, however, continued evolution was aimed at ecological chain, rather than the chain itself, deal with stable chain itself is to sustain long-term predictability of the rules of the if chain itself can be improved continuously, the reformer is the center of the chain power, as long as there is power, honesty is to yield to power, honest world is always a mirage.
Now only BSV can make the agreement stable, and no other one can fight

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孙牧:
ETH和EOS被选中,恰恰说明它们存在可以被控制的软肋
The fact that ETH and EOS are selected suggests that they have a weakness that can be controlled

hslayj:
BSV和Internet的网络结构不同,Internet有一个根域名体系控制了全网的信息域名指向,本质是一个可被美国政治控制的中心节点系统,BSV体系的服务器结构是一个对等的小世界网络,政治需要控制该体系,需要通过控制支持该体系的所有矿工来完成,而矿工的分布是极其分散的,这就需要国际范围内的广泛政治合作,这就使得bsv金融体系不能被单一政体控制和垄断,为财富与权力的割裂提供了架构支持,不被权力垄断的信用,才能真正体现出全世界唯一真相之源的信用加持,也才真正有潜力成为改变人类底层逻辑的诚实权力体系。
BSV and Internet network structure is different, the Internet has a root domain name to domain name system to control the entire network of information, is essentially a system can be the center of the American political control node, the BSV system server is a peer-to-peer network of small world structure, the political need to control the system, by controlling the support of the system all the miners are needed to complete, and the distribution of miners are extremely scattered, which requires widely within the scope of international political cooperation, this makes the BSV financial system cannot be a single government control and monopoly, for wealth and power between the support architecture, Only when credit is not monopolized by power can it truly embody the credit support of the only source of truth in the world, and only then can it truly have the potential to become an honest power system that changes the underlying logic of mankind.

孙牧:
BSV在物理上还是需要基于Internet运行的,做不到完全独立存在的,都需要基于TCP/IP传输层协议,所以中心化或者去中心化都是相对而言的,没有绝对的去中心化
BSV still needs to run on the Internet in physics, and those that cannot exist completely independently all need to be based on the TCP/IP transport layer protocol, so centralization or decentralization is relative, without absolute decentralization

比特币张摩西:
@孙牧 我认为去中心化是一个绝对概念,就是没有人可以修改规则
I think decentralization is an absolute concept, that no one can change the rules

刘晔律师:
TCIP协议稳定,这就是去中心化
The TCP/IP protocol is stable, which is decentralization

任小重:
如果外在条件需要修改了?
If the external conditions need to be modified, right?

比特币张摩西:
除了BUG,没什么要改的
Nothing but bugs

孙牧:
协议稳定,和不能修改规则,不是一回事吧?!IP还需要进化到IPv6呢
A stable agreement is not the same thing as not being able to change the rules, right? ! IP needs to evolve to IPv6

比特币张摩西:
协议稳定和不改不是一回事
Stability and stability are not the same thing

邱少贤:
@孙牧 什么东西能够完全独立存在的呢……
What can exist completely on its own…

孙牧:
我觉得没有,所以我觉得,我们群里提的BSV是唯一去中心化的主链这个说法就值得商榷
I don’t think so, so I think it’s debatable that the BSV mentioned in our group is the only decentralized main chain

比特币张摩西:
@孙牧 我认为去中心化是一个绝对概念,就是没有人可以修改规则
I think decentralization is an absolute concept, that no one can change the rules

孙牧:
我不敢苟同
I beg to differ

比特币张摩西:
我是这么理解的
That’s how I understand it

孙牧:
BTC以这个为借口就拒绝发展
The BTC used this as an excuse to reject development

比特币张摩西:
core自己瞎改怨不得谁
Core can’t complain

刘晔律师:
改可以啊,51%算力分一个叉就是
Change ok, 51% calculate force cent a fork is

孙牧:
BSV这个版本稳定后,也只是希望协议稳定下来,也还是通过BRFC在逐渐完善细节,所以“没有人可以修改规则”这个说法是不是太绝对了?
After the version of BSV is stabilized, we just hope that the protocol will be stabilized and the details will be gradually improved through BRFC, so is it too absolute to say that "no one can change the rules”?

比特币张摩西:
BUG除外
Except the BUG

hslayj:
改代码和改协议是两回事,改代码可以是修复bug,这个没问题,改协议是加新规则,这就不行了,比如btc的闪电网络,bch的虫洞和雪崩,如果协议可以随便改,那能改协议的人就是规则制定者和掌控者,今天他可以改闪电协议。明天就可以改税收规则,后天就可以增加产量上限,最后的形态就是下一个美联储或者央行
Changing the code and changing the protocol are two different things. Changing the code can be a way to fix bugs. That’s fine. Tax rules could be changed tomorrow, production caps could be increased the day after tomorrow, and the final form would be the next federal reserve or central bank

hslayj:
我之前有写过算力共和国的全票通过可以更改规则逻辑,可以回头看看,规则不是不能改,是需要所有参与者同意才能改,否则就是少数人代表大多数人做决策,最后就会导向权力中心
I’ve written before that a unanimous vote in the republic of numeracy can change the logic of the rules, and you can go back and see that the rules can’t be changed, they can only be changed with the consent of all the participants, or a few people make decisions on behalf of the majority, and they will eventually lead to the center of power

hslayj:
传统的逻辑是我们要找个好领导,让他带领我们做好所有事,如果出问题,就要换领导。比特币的逻辑是,我们不需要领导,而是有一个共同的规则也就是2008年的比特币白皮书,按照共同的协议推进体系改进,每个体系中的中心化系统都是一种生态物种,优胜劣汰适者生存。即使中本聪也不可能自己去改这个协议,如果规则真的有问题,那么若干年后只有所有参与者都同意,才能改规则,否则就是算力战或者链分裂。
The traditional logic is that we need to find a good leader, let him lead us to do everything well, if things go wrong, we need to change the leader. The logic of bitcoin is, we don’t need leadership, we have a common rule which is the 2008 white paper on bitcoin, a common protocol for advancing systems, the centralized system in each system is an ecological species, survival of the fittest. Even satoshi nakamoto cannot change the agreement himself. If the rules are really wrong, they can only be changed years later if all the participants agree.

hslayj:
BSV的协议是经历了12年的考验的协议,btc是17年加的闪电网络,bch现在都还在改协议,更别说其他各种行业链,那是天天改协议。所以说BSV是唯一的去中心化系统我觉得没问题。其它去中心化定义逻辑就是搞笑的,比如BTC树莓派节点,比如BCH的大家说了算规则,比如说其他加密货币的抗审查无政府逻辑,以讹传讹的人多了,真正的意思就被扭曲了。
The agreement of BSV is the agreement that experienced 12 years of test, BTC is the lightning network that adds 17 years, BCH is still changing agreement now, not to mention other various industry chain, that is every day change agreement. So BSV is the only decentralized system that I’m comfortable with. Other decentralized definition logic is funny, such as the BTC raspberry PI node, such as BCH’s rules for everyone to rule, such as other cryptocurrency censorship anarchic logic, with more people incorrectly informed, the real meaning is distorted.

hslayj:
很多人觉得metanet是凭空添加协议,其实不是,比特币的第一个区块中就有中本聪的留言。有留言就代表可以放数据,任何一种数据库规则本质都是一系列数据组合,只要区块足够大,能放一句话就能放一个表,就能放一个数据库,就能放所有数据,就能放人类历史,就能成为全球唯一真相来源,所以metanet本质也是来源于2008年的比特币白皮书,只是把区块加大了而已。如果比特币能做所有事,那就不需要各种各样的行业链来分割信用。
Many people think that metanet is an add-on protocol, but it’s not. The first bitcoin block has a message from satoshi nakamoto. Have the message means you can put the data, any kind of database rules nature is a series of data combination, as long as the block is enough big, can put a table can put in a word, can put a database that can put all the data, can put the human history, can become the world’s only source of truth, so metanet essence is also derived from the 2008 white paper currency, just put the blocks increased. If bitcoin could do everything, there would be no need for various industry chains to split credit.

邱少贤:
另外中本聪白皮书也没说去中心化这东西,后人谬传的多,区块大小也不是加大,本来并没有硬性规定写在代码里面的
In addition, the white paper of satoshi nakamoto did not mention decentralization, which is often falsely reported by later generations, and the block size is not increased. It was originally not stipulated in the code

hslayj:
很难想象一个全球性的产业变革机会,连个创始人都找不到,真实世界的舆论导向真心很魔幻。被曲解,被伤害,被钉在十字架上却还要拯救世人,中本聪身上这种现象是可以找到历史原型的,也只有这样的经历才能成为诚实世界的最坚实第一块基石,让最优秀的人也愿意追随和尊重。
It’s hard to imagine a global opportunity for industrial change, not even a founder, and the direction of real-world opinion is truly magical. To be misunderstood, to be hurt, to be nailed to a cross and yet to save the world is a phenomenon that can find a historical prototype in satoshi nakamoto. Only such an experience can become the most solid and first foundation stone of an honest world, which the best people would like to follow and respect.

hslayj:
csw的学术论文很多的,其中就有2008年以前的关于比特币白皮书的很多论文内容和著作,所以学术界这么写没问题,别被密码圈的私钥逻辑给带歪了
CSW has a lot of academic papers, including a lot of papers and works on the bitcoin white paper before 2008, so it’s ok for the academic community to write this way, don’t be misled by the private key logic of cryptography circles

hslayj:
读一遍csw的博客,很多疑惑就能解开,原创者的味道是很明显的,这样的人根本就不屑于去伪装成别人
A read of CSW’s blog reveals a lot of confusion, and the smell of the originator is so obvious that such a person would not bother to pretend to be someone else

清风徐来:
是的,读完有很多很多收获
Yes, there are many, many gains from reading it

邱少贤:
well he did use the name satoshi though[Onlooker]

hslayj:
法院官网有更具体的法院文书,看原文,不要看解读,尤其不要看那些整天栽赃CSW媒体的解读,取个奥本聪明显就有罪名指向性
The official website of the court has more specific court documents, look at the original text, do not look at the interpretation, especially do not look at the interpretation of the CSW media all day long, take an oben cong is clearly accused of directionality

hslayj:
只有原创者才真正关心每个细节的来龙去脉,创造一套没有的体系需要的不仅仅是充足的智力水平,更需要是打破传统规则那巨大的一往无前的勇气,所以原创者的味道很明显,CSW的博客处处都散发着这种味道。而币圈能和他相提并论的人,一个都看不见。
Only the originator really CARES about the context of every detail. Creating a system without it requires not only sufficient intelligence, but also the great courage to break the traditional rules. Therefore, the originator’s flavor is obvious, and CSW’s blog is full of this flavor. And the coinage circle can be compared with his person, a person can not see.

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Stephen周:
希望能听到从奥派角度剖析比特币的讲座
I hope to hear a lecture on analyzing bitcoin from an Austrian perspective

hslayj:
只有比特币经济世界成真了,奥派思想才有可能发扬光大。经济帝国主义成真的思想只有在没有暴力胁迫的世界中才有可能实现,小政府的理念只有在纯粹的经济博弈中才有效,战争屠刀一来,小政府就不好使了,齐国灭于秦,宋朝灭于蒙古,明朝灭于清都是典型的经济输给了军事,我之前写的东西基本已经是很纯粹的奥派思维的比特币应用了,细节的差异也是因为历史环境差异导致的,毕竟任何理论都是辩证发展的。
Only when the bitcoin economy becomes a reality will the Austrian ideology be able to flourish. Thought of economic imperialism come true only in a world without violence intimidation possible, the idea of small government is only effective in purely economic game, war butcher’s knife, small government did not make, qi destroyed in the qin dynasty and song dynasty destroyed in Mongolia and the Ming dynasty destroyed in the qing dynasty are typical economic loss to the military, I before writing basic is already very pure currency used for the Austrian thinking, the details of the differences is because of historical environment, after all, any theory is the dialectical development.

hslayj:
关于经济学派的分化问题,我觉得这就和物理学中的学派分化问题差不多,研究对象不一样,逻辑出发点不一样,在交叉领域就会有很大的结论差异。奥地利学派强调从个人边际选择出发理解世界,算是最贴合人性的学问;马克思主义是从平均主义出发理解世界,算是最重视平等诉求的学问;凯恩斯主义是从国家政治的角度出发理解世界,算是最贴近现有世界政治格局的学问;芝加哥经济学派更多的是从工程实用角度解构现实问题,算是最贴近现实世界的学问。这些学问本身都有其适用性和局限性,最终可能会有一种学问把这些学问都统一起来,完成经济学中的大统一理论,而达尔文自然进化主义和人类发展历史为这种经济学思想其实提供了很好的思想雏形与建模工具,最终让经济学完成人性、平等、政治、实用领域的完美统一我认为是可能的。没有必要崇古,BSV本身就给这个世界带来了新的变量,这种区别就如同进化出额叶皮质的人类与其它动物的区别一样。
As for the differentiation of the economic school, I think it is similar to the differentiation of the school in physics. The research object is different, the logical starting point is different, and there will be great differences in conclusions in the cross field. The Austrian school emphasizes the understanding of the world from the perspective of individual marginal choice, which is the most appropriate knowledge of human nature. Marxism is to understand the world from the perspective of equalitarianism, which is the most important pursuit of equality. Keynesianism is to understand the world from the perspective of national politics, which is the closest to the existing world political pattern. Chicago school of economics is more from the perspective of engineering practical deconstruction of real problems, is the closest to the real world knowledge. Itself has its applicability and limitations of these sciences may eventually have a kind of knowledge to unify all the knowledge, to complete the grand unified theory in economics, and Darwin’s natural evolution and human development history for this kind of economic thought in fact provides a good thoughts and modeling tools, finally let economics complete humanity, equality, political, and practical in the field of perfect and unified I think is possible. There’s no need to be archaistic. BSV itself brings new variables to the world, just as humans who evolved the frontal cortex differ from other animals.

任小重:
Bsv和bch的本质不同在哪里,同样是扩容路线,只是区块大小吗
What is the essential difference between Bsv and BCH? The same expansion route, just the block size

hslayj:
BSV本身是遵照比特币白皮书建设的体系,要求权力的去中心化,BCH是当初以吴忌寒为首的矿工分裂出来的分叉,认为权力的去中心化应该理解为大家说了算,白皮书不重要;BCH的区块限制希望跟随于应用扩张而同步增长,BSV认为区块的大小应该先于应用的需要而快速扩张;BCH认为比特币并不完美需要采百家之长,快速迭代、小步快跑,BSV认为比特币已经可以做所有事情了,需要万链归一万币归一;BCH认为比特币体系应该抗审查防政府,BSV认为比特币应该拥抱监管和法律;BCH认为比特币的功能扩展可以在协议层完成,BSV认为比特币的功能扩展应该在二层metanet上完成,协议应该长久锁定;BCH认为比特币不会吸引行业链的加入,BSV认为万链归一是比特币的唯一归宿。
BSV itself is a system built according to the bitcoin white paper, which requires the decentralization of power. The block limit of BCH is expected to grow synchronously with the application expansion. BSV believes that the block size should expand rapidly before the application needs. BCH believes that bitcoin is not perfect, which requires hundreds of years of fast iteration and running in small steps. BSV believes that bitcoin can already do everything, and it needs 10,000 COINS to be returned to one. BCH thinks the bitcoin system should be resistant to government scrutiny, while BSV thinks bitcoin should embrace regulation and law. BCH believes that the function expansion of bitcoin can be completed in the protocol layer, while BSV believes that the function expansion of bitcoin should be completed on metanet on the second layer and the protocol should be locked for a long time. BCH believes that bitcoin will not attract industry chains to join, and BSV believes that the only destination for bitcoin is the return of the 10,000 chain.

刘晔律师:
在哲学上BCH不懂人性,在经济上BCH不懂货币,在技术上BCH不懂如何扩容
In philosophy, BCH doesn’t understand human nature, in economics, BCH doesn’t understand money, and in technology, BCH doesn’t understand how to expand. Right

hslayj:
理解底层不变,你可以按照法律上的宪法逻辑、计算机的冯诺依曼架构、互联网的TCP/IP协议去理解底层不变逻辑,底层不变的意思是,没必要在功能上的扩展去改变底层结构,要尽可能保证底层架构的稳定来进行上层功能建设,每天都在改协议的结果就是权力中心极度围绕着协议操控方完成,最后的结果就是下一个美联储,如果比特币的结局是下一个美联储,我认为比特币就根本没有任何存在的意义。
Understand the underlying unchanged, you can according to the constitution in the eyes of the law of logic, computer von neumann architecture according to the man, the TCP/IP protocol of the Internet to understand the underlying the same logic, the underlying constant mean, there’s no need to extend to change the underlying structure on the function, as far as possible to ensure the stability of the underlying architecture for the upper construction function, every day in change agreement is the result of the power center extremely around the manipulation of the party is complete, the final result is that the fed’s next, if the currency and the next is the result of the fed, I think that the currency is no meaning.

hslayj:
没有BSV,以盎格鲁撒克逊为首的白人至上主义者不可能允许中国按照现有的经济增势赶英超美重构世界秩序版图,中国也不可能任由西方文明彻底断绝自己的地区崛起的道路,很多传统上的经济问题都可能演变成政治问题,一场你死我活甚至同归于尽的修昔里德陷阱正在前方等着全人类踩进去。只有BSV有潜力把全人类从文明冲突中解救出来,用达尔文进化主义改良行将就木的政治和社会,让全球重新有能力塑造人类文明共同体的全新文明底层逻辑框架,将暴力主义和政治上的零和博弈彻底锁进历史的牢笼中,怎么称赞中本聪的贡献都不为过,而允许领袖有缺点,更是BSV社区成熟与强大的标志。
No BSV, headed by Anglo-Saxon white supremacist may not allow China according to the existing economic growth driven the premier beauty refactoring world order, China is not likely to let completely cut off its own area of the rise of western civilization road, a lot of traditional economic problems are likely to be turned into a political question, a rat even passionate thucydides trap reed is waiting ahead of mankind stepping in. Only BSV has the potential to save mankind from the clash of civilisations, modified by Darwinian evolution in the death of political and social, let the world to have the ability to shape the new civilization of human civilization community underlying logic framework, violence and political zero-sum game completely locked into a cage of history, how to praise the contribution of this smart enough, and allow the leader has drawbacks, especially BSV community maturity and powerful symbol.

hslayj:
关键的问题是,这个游戏看似有利于美国,其实却把美国自己给玩崩了,大规模的金融扩张的能力,让美国政府长期拥有了一笔根本不用考虑回报的财富来源,脱离金本位的美元体系一手泡制了全球范围内的房产泡沫,由于美国政府可以把这笔不用负责的钱肆意挥霍,美国这几十年的对外文化殖民主义本质都是透支全球的经济资源来维持自己的武装力量,滥用战略资源的后果就是现在美国的整体经济体系难以持续,印钞得来的钱就像爸妈给的钱一样,总有一天要花光的,到了最后还是要靠真本事才能立足于现代经济世界中,信用透支光了以后,借贷维持增长的游戏就玩不下去了,美国的全范围经济收缩是可以预见的。一方面美元体系是全球唯一的信用体系支撑框架,另一方面美元体系又因为长久的信用透支即将土崩瓦解,这个尖锐的现实矛盾为全球经济的可持续发展埋下了巨大的隐患。
Key problem is that the game seems to be conducive to the United States, but the United States to play a collapse, large-scale expansion of financial ability, to the United States government has a long-term returns without considering the source of wealth, from gold dollar system chip off a property bubble in the global range, because the U.S. government can put the don’t profligacy is responsible for the money, the United States for decades of cultural colonialism is the overdraft global economic resources to maintain their own armed forces, the consequences of the abuse of strategic resources is now the United States economy as a whole system of unsustainable, print the proceeds as parents give the money, Some day it will run out, and in the end it will take real skill to get a foothold in the modern economic world. When credit runs out, the game of borrowing to sustain growth is lost, and America’s broader economic contraction is foreseeable. On the one hand, the us dollar system is the only supporting framework of the global credit system; on the other hand, the us dollar system is about to collapse due to the long-term credit overdraft.

hslayj:
每一个组织都和生命体一样有着其可持续的生命周期,凯恩斯主义把政治置于经济之上的假设前提是政府永远不会犯错误,而这个假设一旦不成立,那么垄断了全部社会资源的失败政府会把所有人都拖入衰退泥潭,而只有依靠把权力和财富分开,让政府权力瓦解的时候,当地人民的个人财富和人身安全仍然能够得以保护,权力才能够真正的完成顺利的过度或者淘汰,而这个逻辑只能依靠全球性去权力中心的BSV体系才能真正实现,BSV真正给人类打开了社会政府组织的达尔文进化论大门。
Every organization as well as life has its sustainable life cycle, the Keynesian political above economic assumptions is the government will never make a mistake, and once the assumption fails, then a monopoly on all social resources to the failure of the government will put all into a recession, and only rely on the separate power and wealth, let the power of the government collapsed, the local people’s personal wealth and security of person still can be protected, excessive power was able to finish the real smooth or eliminated, and this logic can only rely on global can we truly achieve the BSV system to the power center. BSV really opened the door to Darwinian evolution of social government.

hslayj:
一个共赢的体系是有利于所有参与人的,政客不用担心被猜忌,商人不用担心被诋毁,富人不用担心被共产,穷人不用担心被饿死。要解决这些问题,首先就需要在全球公共领域的诚实体系,公共领域的谎言因为多维度的数据来源而很容易被戳破,做贼成本因为诚实账本的存在而无限高,做贼收益因为赃款追溯很容易而无限低,才能在理论上真正达到天下少贼甚至无贼的地步。人类的未来并不需要你死我活的政治博弈逻辑,而真正需要的是谁行谁上,不行就下的社会竞争改良逻辑,而要断掉政治上恐惧猜疑链的唯一途径,就是全球唯一可信的公共信用数据库BSV体系,这是人类需要长久走下去的必经之路,道路可能很曲折,但是目的地却很清晰。
A win-win system works for everyone involved: politicians don’t have to worry about being second-guessed, businessmen don’t have to worry about being vilified, the rich don’t have to worry about being communist, and the poor don’t have to worry about starving to death. To solve these problems, first of all you need in the field of global public honesty system, lies in the field of public because of multidimensional data source and is easy to burst, a thief cost because of the existence of honest books and infinitely high, a thief returns because of the money back is easy to the infinite low, can really achieve the little thief even in theory there is no thief. The future of humanity does not need the life-and-death political game logic, who and who is the one who really need, not just the social competition under the improvement of logic, but the only way to break fear political suspicion chain, is the only credible public BSV credit database system, this is the need to go on the way for a long time, the road may be tortuous, but the destination is clear.

hslayj:
BSV在技术上是一套全世界的信用数据库账本,在社会学意义上本质是一套用诚实系统进行社会改良的工具,所以牵扯到很多经济、政治、金融、哲学上的话题,看久了本群的内容就习惯了,如果还不习惯可以去本群历史记录里面爬爬楼,保证都是BSV延续出来的话题,如果有问题,可以随时提出来讨论
BSV is technically a set of credit database books all over the world, in the sense of sociology is essentially a set honesty system for social improvement tools, so involved in a lot of economic, political, financial, philosophical topics, see for a long time the content of this group of become accustomed to, if it is not used to climb a building inside can be to this group of historical records, ensure are BSV continuation of the topic, if there is a problem, can at any time up for discussion

hslayj:
其实看看BSV的发展史,就好像能看到一部活生生的人类发展史,一个天下为公诚实世界的好想法好产品(BSV)出来,当其价值显露的时候,首先被投机者劫持(只倡导持币待涨的BTC),然后被模仿者劫持(ETH、EOS),然后被无政府主义者劫持(BCH),然后被各种犯罪分子劫持(各类山寨币),然后被中心化权力组织劫持(Libra、国家链),这也可见这几千年的人类文明的诚实之路有多么的艰难险阻,一个简单而可贵甚至有利于所有人的诚实品质在真实的世界中仍然有如此多的拦路虎,而在权力与财富的迷雾中,一有不慎,就会马失前蹄,社会的进步和文明的发展真的太不容易了。
Actually look at the history of BSV, as if to see a live human development, a world for honest world good product (BSV) out of good ideas, when its value shown first captured by speculators (BTC advocated cash only stay up), and then captured by imitators (ETH, EOS), and then captured by anarchists (BCH), and then captured by various criminals (all kinds of fake currency), and then captured by centralized authority organizations (Libra, national chain), which is the thousands of years of human civilization honesty how difficulties and obstacles on the road, A simple but valuable and even beneficial honest quality in the real world still has so many obstacles, and in the fog of power and wealth, a careless, will stumble, the progress of society and the development of civilization is really not easy.

AB型:
央行数字货币的出现会不会利好匿名币
The emergence of central bank digital currency will not benefit anonymous currency

hslayj:
DCEP本质其实就是央行版的微信支付或者支付宝支付,就是把操作人换了一下而已,央行的思路就是管住所有国民的钱袋子,而这个需求可能和老百姓的需求本质就是天然矛盾的,国家财富和国民财富很多时候会形成零和博弈。
The essence of DCEP is actually the central bank’s version of WeChat payment or alipay payment, which is to change the operator. The central bank’s idea is to control the money bag of all the citizens, and this demand may be in nature contradictory to the needs of the people. National wealth and national wealth will form a zero-sum game in many cases.

荣哥理财师:
DCEP可能就是新时代的粮票
DCEP may be the food stamp of the new age

刘晔律师:
金圆劵
Golden circle securities

hslayj:
是的,工程上DCEP可以限制钞票的定向流动,可能可以指定只能买某种商品甚至指定只能买某种品牌,工程逻辑在代码上都是可以实现的。
Yes, on the project, DCEP can restrict the directional flow of money, maybe specify that you can only buy certain goods or even specify that you can only buy certain brands, and the engineering logic can be implemented on the code.

AB型:
不听话可以随时清除你的资产
Disobedience can wipe out your assets at any time

刘晔律师:
予取予夺之大元宝钞,短期内是有利于统治的
In the short term, the large silver dollar notes that are taken and seized are favorable to the rule

hslayj:
这几千年的人类发展都是暴力逻辑优先于经济逻辑的,真的想要扭转过来,可能需要一代人甚至几代人的努力。

DCEP也好Libra也好,或者以后的CBDC也好,基本都是M0的变种,现代通胀体系的真实问题在M0么?显然不是的,去研究一下M2,才能明白货币的发行逻辑,印钞机太慢了,最快的方式是直接在资产负债表上加零,这才是通胀体系危害最大也最可怕的地方,而所有的M0和这个逻辑根本不相关。
For thousands of years, human development has prioritized the logic of violence over the logic of economics.

DCEP or Libra, or later CBDC, are basically variants of M0. Is M0 the real problem with modern inflation systems? Obviously not. If you look at M2, you can understand the logic of money issuance. The printing press is too slow.

任小重:
通胀也有好处吧?通胀合理的话  就业率也会好,你看中国从1978年  不断在通胀  但是生活水平也有巨大提高啊,只要不是恶性的通胀
Inflation is good, isn’t it? Employment would be fine if inflation were reasonable, you see China has been inflating since 1978 but living standards have also improved dramatically, as long as it’s not hyperinflation

荣哥理财师:
通胀就是每天从你口袋掏钱,让你紧张起来,赶紧去干活
Inflation is taking money out of your pocket every day to make you nervous and get to work

hslayj:
对国家来说有好处,可以印很多钱,可以促进就业率,可以增加很多消费主义行为,可以让人们透支未来而保证现在,就和打吗啡一样。
It’s good for the country to print a lot of money, it’s good for employment, it’s good for consumerism, it’s good for the future and it’s good for the present, like morphine.

任小重:
只要不像像国民政府当时发烧的金银劵一样就行
As long as it is not like the gold and silver of the fever of the national government

刘晔律师:
凯恩斯的适度通胀论遗毒不浅
Keynes’s theory of moderate inflation is a toxic legacy

hslayj:
中国改革开放的成果是不能归结为通胀体系的,改革开放成果是因为政府愿意尝试新东西、引进新技术,用政治发展来替代政治运动,这才是发展根基
The fruits of China’s reform and opening up cannot be attributed to the inflation system. The fruits of reform and opening up are due to the government’s willingness to try new things, introduce new technologies and replace political movements with political development, which is the foundation of development

刘晔律师:
适度通胀必发展为恶性通胀,只是时机问题
It is only a matter of time before moderate inflation turns into hyperinflation

任小重:
我觉得通缩更可怕,只要经济发展带来的收入能跑赢通胀就可以
I think deflation is more scary, as long as the income generated by economic development can beat inflation

刘晔律师:
这是纸币经济的内在矛盾
This is the inherent contradiction of paper money economy

任小重:
那BSV的要构建的到底是个通胀的还是通缩的经济模型
So what BSV is trying to build is an inflationary or a deflationary economic model

刘晔律师:
非通胀非通缩,平衡经济
Non-inflationary, non-deflationary, balanced economy

hslayj:
@任小重 真实世界在金属货币体系中是度过了几千年的,所以说通胀好于通缩属于一种政治谎言,我先去吃饭了,吃完饭展开讲通胀逻辑。
The real world has been in a metal monetary system for thousands of years, so it is a political lie to say that inflation is better than deflation.

荣哥理财师:
只要经济发展带来的收入能跑赢通胀就可以?   意思是:只要你的工资能跑赢我从你口袋掏钱的速度就好了。。
As long as the income from economic development can beat inflation? As long as your salary beats the rate at which I can take money out of your pocket.

任小重:
是这个逻辑,你看改革开放的这40年就是这个逻辑,货币确实在贬值,但是生活水平40年确实有进步,人们能赚到的钱 跑过了政府从口袋里面拿走的,当然我不是说 中国的经济发展就是靠通胀 @刘晔律师   我同意你的观点
It’s the logic, you see the 40 years of reform and opening up is the logic, the currency does depreciate, but the standard of living does improve in 40 years, the money people can earn has run out of the government’s pocket, of course I’m not saying China’s economic development is based on inflation @liu ye lawyer I agree with you

刘晔律师:
这40年是我们运气好,但很快结束了。中国历史上持续个三、四十年的和平繁荣也有过好几次,虽然不多。
We were lucky for 40 years, but it was soon over. There have been several, though not many, periods of peace and prosperity in Chinese history that have lasted 30 or 40 years.

hslayj:
人民币不是通胀逻辑起源,脱离布雷顿森林体系的美元才是
The renminbi is not the logical origin of inflation

荣哥理财师:
当经济发展速度开始降低,拿钱的速度你觉得降得下来吗?

任小重:
我以前就是个市场自由派  看完了哈耶克的自由宪章的前两章 就更加坚定了我的看法

Stephen周:
@任小重 相关性≠因果性

任小重:
政府不从老百姓身上拿钱是不可能的 要么就收税 要么就通胀  发达国家收税的权利被严格限制   就只有通胀了  不然政府破产了 啥都玩完

Stephen周:
税收比通胀更加正当

任小重:
以前中国银本位的时候  不就是政府只能收税吗?律师说的平衡经济是什么?

Stephen周:
透明,自愿,才正义

任小重:
鉴于通缩和通胀之间?

刘晔律师:
比特币经济是人类历史上还没有出现过的经济型态,需要去实践、去探索。只是我们不要被既有的经济学理论束缚了头脑。包括现在新冠病毒对人类经济型态和理论的影响,也是前所未有
Bitcoin economy is an economy that has not appeared in human history, which needs to be practiced and explored. It’s just that we don’t have to be shackled by existing economic theories. The impact of a novel coronavirus on human economics and theory is unprecedented

hslayj:
当初之所以中国有很大的通胀,是因为改革开放以后,产生了大量的外汇额度,国内也就可以印相应的钱来给这些外贸企业,后来人民币绑定美元汇率,美元越印越多,人民币也就跟着越印越多,这是人民币国际化后跟随美元走向的一个连带影响,属于小弟跟着大哥的逻辑走,所以中国的通胀初始逻辑其实是融入国际的金融秩序的一个过程,算是一个被动过程。

至于全球化通胀的逻辑,这个是从法币金本位到法币脱离金本位的一个持续发展过程,开始的时候是一刀切的降低法币价格,到了七十年代,美元脱离布雷顿森林体系的协议后,就进入了当今的法币通胀时代,开始通胀的时候,美联储是很心虚的,我记得当时美联储利率是上升到过20%左右,这就和刚抽烟的小伙子还有点心虚一个道理,等到老油条了,你看看今天一个灾难直接扩张几万亿美金,老烟民已经习惯了,死了拉倒,抽一天就过瘾一天反正戒不掉,烂摊子给后面的人收拾。但是作为未来的接班人,年轻人能任由这个摊子烂掉么,美元一垮,全球的信用体系就垮了,以后指望什么?美元不跨,250万亿美金的全球债务怎么还,卖肾都不够吧,这就是通胀体系到今天不得不面临的尴尬,吗啡打久了就上瘾了,戒了是死不戒也得死啊。
When there is a lot of inflation in China, because after the reform and opening up, produce a large amount of foreign exchange quotas, home also can print the corresponding money to give the foreign trade enterprise, then the binding us dollar, the dollar to print more and more, the RMB with the print, the more it is to follow after the internationalisation of the renminbi dollars toward a knock-on effect, belong to the younger brother follow the logic of eldest brother, so China’s inflation initial logic is actually a process into the international financial order, be regarded as a passive process.

As for the logic of global inflation, this is from fiat gold standard to fiat from a continuous developing process of the gold standard, is the beginning of the blanket to lower the price of fiat, in the seventy s, the dollar out of the bretton woods agreement, have entered the era of fiat inflation, inflation, the fed is very guilty, I remember when the fed rate is to rise to about 20%, it’s just smoking and the young man and a bit guilty a truth, wait for operator, you see a disaster today trillions of dollars in direct expansion, old smokers have become accustomed to, to death, Smoke a day to indulge oneself for a day anyway not quit, the mess to the people behind clean up. But can the young, as future successors, let the mess rot, the global credit system collapse as soon as the dollar does? That is the embarrassment the inflation system has to face today. It is addicted to morphine.

hslayj:
政治和经济的关系,就好像一个龙虾的大夹子和身体的关系一样,没有大夹子,被其它龙虾干掉了,大夹子太大了,身体营养供给不上也是死路一条,那夹子多大是由什么决定的,其实是由环境决定的,自由市场喜欢小政府,集权政治喜欢大政府,但是到底大政府好还是小政府好,还要看外部的竞争环境。中国崛起是有着很大的外部阻力的,可能推小政府早就被吃掉了,大政府扩张了军力和国际影响,但是太大的话,老百姓也养不起,同样受罪,这中间的度就很重要。BSV体系带来了什么,BSV体系让大家可以互相信任,以后可能很多东西都不需要政府层面和军事层面的竞争了,那时候也许就是小政府的天下了,说白了,还是环境决定的政府形态,而BSV有可能改变人类相处的环境模式。
Political and economic relations, like a big lobster clip and the relationship between the body, not the tongs, got killed by other lobster, big clip is too big, the body nutrition is a dead end, the clip size is determined by what is determined by the environment, the free market, like small government centralized political like big government, but the really big government or small government, also look at the external competitive environment. The rise of China has a lot of external resistance. It may push small government to be eaten up long ago. Big government has expanded military power and international influence. What does the BSV system bring? The BSV system enables people to trust each other. In the future, many things may not need the competition between the government and the military.

hslayj:
通缩有没有问题,肯定是有的,首先是局部通缩那基本就等于资本外流了,说明地区竞争力在减弱,政府不管这个地方就被淘汰了,全面通缩可能带来货币不够用的问题,这个问题比特币永远遇不到,2100万亿枚足够了,交易单位不够属于金属货币独有的问题,历史上发生过很多次,如果不够比特币,以后再把单位细分多一点就是了,最后通缩的最大问题,我觉得是代际传承带来的剥削问题,如果代际传承没有摩擦或者摩擦很小,那么富人的一部分蠢后裔可能就搞不定穷人的一部分聪明后裔了,本质上马克思的共产主义理论就是从这里来的。

总之,凯恩斯主义有很大的历史局限性和适用性,不同的环境需要不同的政府形态,让人围着政府转本质上是改变人性,让政府围着人转只是政治改革而已,从难度上来讲是不可同日而语的,我也不喜欢大政府,那样人类就得进化成蚂蚁或者蜜蜂了,但是现在的中国崛起是不能没有大政府的,白人至上主义和民主终结主义的傲慢与偏见不被打破,人类就很难进入下一个纪元——社会形态进化论。
Deflation if you have any questions, be sure there is, first of all is the basic local deflation is equal to the capital outflows, suggests that regional competitiveness is abate, the government regardless of the place were eliminated, comprehensive deflation could bring money enough problems, the issue currency is never less than, 2.1 quadrillion, trading unit is not belong to the unique metal currency problem, happened many times in history, if not enough COINS, then split unit is a bit more, the deflation of the biggest problems, I think it’s exploitation of the problems of intergenerational inheritance, if there is no friction or friction between generations is very small, So some of the stupid descendents of the rich may not be able to make some of the smart descendents of the poor, which is essentially where Marx’s theory of communism comes from.

In short, has a lot to the historical limitations of Keynesian and applicability, different environments require different forms of government, let people around the government essentially change the human nature, for the government to have people around just political reform, from the difficulty in speaking is far, I don’t like big government, as humans would have to evolve into ants or bees, but now China’s rise is not without big government, white supremacist and put an end to the pride and prejudice of socialism democracy will not be broken, human is hard to enter the next era - social form of evolution.

昊轩:
目前中国M2货币总量=200万亿,基础货币=30万亿,银行创造的信用货币=160多万亿。现代市场经济国家主要依托债务发行信用货币。信用货币越多,负债越多,总利息越多,形成各行各业给银行打工的利息奴隶制。央行的主要任务变成维持温和物价上涨,以满足资本投资能盈利。
At present, China’s M2 monetary aggregate is 200 trillion yuan, the base money is 30 trillion yuan, and the credit money created by Banks is over 160 trillion yuan. Modern market economy countries mainly rely on debt to issue credit currency. The more credit money, the more debt, the more total interest, the formation of all walks of life to work for the bank interest slavery. The central bank’s main task is to keep prices rising at a moderate pace to meet the profitability of capital investment.

hslayj:
一个错误的体系,每一个参与者都如同囚徒困境般深受其害,一个正确的体系,每个人都能找到自己的位置互利共赢,而体系的进化是需要不断的试错的,允许犯错误的体系才是真正厉害的体系,而现在大国领袖敢犯错么,一个不慎就是万丈深渊,如履薄冰的政治生态真正反应了这个体系是需要很大改良的。

站在国家博弈的角度,都有各自的道理和不得不做的理由,所以才说现有国际格局需要深入骨髓的变革,而BSV就是变革的利器,人类命运共同体需要人类诚实信用数据库保驾护航才能消除猜疑链,迎来新篇章。
An error system, each of these participants suffering like the prisoner’s dilemma, a system of the right, everyone can find their own position and mutual benefit and win-win, and the evolution of the system is the need to constantly of trial and error, allowed to make mistakes really system is the system, and now the big leader dare making mistakes, a careless is the abyss, cautious political ecology reflects the real system is need to be greatly improved.

From the perspective of national game, countries have their own reasons and reasons to do so. Therefore, it is said that the current international pattern needs to be transformed to the marrow, and BSV is the weapon of transformation. The community of Shared future of mankind needs the protection of human honesty and credit database to eliminate the chain of suspicion and usher in a new chapter.

厚德载物:
刚刚,阿里云宣布:未来3年再投2000亿,用于云操作系统、服务器、芯片、网络等重大核心技术研发和数据中心建设。

达摩院XG实验室、平头哥等研究成果将率先应用在阿里云下一代数据中心。飞天云操作系统、含光800芯片、神龙服务器、自研云交换机、高性能低延时网络、大计算系统集群等核心自研技术将在云数据中心大规模部署。
Just now, ali cloud announced: the next three years to invest 200 billion, for the cloud operating system, server, chip, network and other major core technology research and development and data center construction.

The research results of XG laboratory of dharma hospital and flathead brother will be firstly applied in aliyun’s next generation data center. Core self-development technologies such as feitian cloud operating system, optical 800 chip, dpca server, self-research cloud switch, high-performance low-latency network, and large computing system cluster will be deployed in the cloud data center on a large scale.

hslayj:
我认为用暴力得来的正义,本身也是暴力的一部分,中国这样,外国也是这样,美国也一样。要想真正的正义,需要的是用非暴力途径完成,现在真正做到这一点的都被暴力淘汰了,我希望BSV以后能帮所有地方做到这一点。
I think that justice through violence is part of violence itself, as it is in China, as it is in other countries, as it is in the United States. To achieve true justice, you need to do it nonviolently, and those who do it now are eliminated by violence, and I hope that BSV will help to do it everywhere in the future.

清风徐来:
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hslayj:
历史是一个文明的基因,抛开历史谈文明没什么意义,脸谱化文明形态的非善既恶二元对立论本质就是在偷懒,民主有其适用范围和适用时期,即使是真好,也不是靠揍别人一顿就能解决的,渐进改良,正视问题才是社会改良的良好阶梯,老虎好奇兔子为什么不吃肉,蜜蜂好奇其它动物为什么不群居,社会基因不一样,社会形态不一样,适用的政治阶段就不一样,因势利导、循序渐进才是一个地区逐渐致富的好途径。
History is the gene of a civilization, throw history doesn’t make sense to talk about civilization, profiling is not good is evil binary plauralistic structure in the form of civilization essence is being lazy, democracy has its suitable scope and applicable period, even if it is really good, and it wasn’t by beating others meal can solve, gradual improvement, to face the problem is a good step of social reform, the tiger wondered why the rabbit don’t eat meat, bees are curious why don’t other animals social, the social gene is different, different social form, apply the political stage, gradually improve the occasion, step by step is a region to get rich is a good way.

hslayj:
没有国家暴力机器做后盾,目前的国际法律秩序就是一个笑话,用法律解决国际问题尤其是大国矛盾几乎就是不可能的,判下来谁听呢,事实就是,目前的世界是一个多元文明共存的世界,靠党同伐异解决不了问题,核武器的存在随时可能让人们一起消失,而要解决文明冲突,正视文明、制度、发展阶段的差异,通过人类文明共同体的利益同盟,团结起所有人才是真正的解题思路,也是后美国霸权时代人类对于未来真正应该思考的东西。
No state violence backing machine, the current international law order is a joke, use the law to solve international problems especially big contradiction, it is almost impossible to down who listen to, the truth is that the world is a world of multiple civilizations coexist, intolerance doesn’t solve problems, the existence of nuclear weapons could make people disappear together, and to solve the clash of civilisations, face up to the differences of civilization, system, stage of development, through the interests of the community of human civilization, uniting all talent is a real problem solving ideas, also is the human for future American hegemony era should really be thinking about something.

hslayj:
放下种族差异、文明差异、制度差异、意识形态差异,是一件多么难的事情,我相信是很好理解的,一个小群尚有不同的政见,更别说一个国家甚至历史形态迥异的各个文明,而建立人类公共信用数据库,让所有人能够用一套话语体系重建诚实权力文明框架,我觉得才有可能消除这种骨子中的文明猜疑链,这也就是BSV体系给人类未来能够提供的最高价值,也是我们始终在为之思考奋斗的方向,看见问题抱怨问题不是正途,看见问题寻找药方才是出路。
Down racial differences, the differences of civilization, difference, the difference of ideology, is a how difficult things, I believe that is easy to understand, a small group of there are different opinions, let alone a country and even each different historical civilization, and establish human public credit database, let all people can use a system of discourse reconstruction honest power civilization framework, I think it’s possible to eliminate the suspicion chain frame of civilization, which is BSV system to humans in the future to provide the highest value, and we are always in the direction of the struggle for the thinking of, see complain about problems is not the right direction, Seeing the problem and finding the cure is the way out.

hslayj:
BSV不会在乎你是美国人还是中国人,是信基督教还是无神论,是白种人还是黄种人,是资本主义还是社会主义,是民主还是集权,BSV只在乎你为这个世界做的贡献有没有人愿意为之买单,只有真正的财富平等才能带来全面的政治平等和人格平等,否则依靠任何中心化的方案,本质都是所有人为这个中心做嫁衣,美国或者美联储也不例外。

所以,我的最终结论就是,目前的人类远远还没有掌握最好的社会形态,没有试错尝试的政治更多的时候只是一个不断自我膨胀直至自我毁灭的机器,而为了不让政治毁灭带着所有人下地狱,我们需要用诚实权力规则把政府权力体系限制起来,然后让他们有序竞争,优胜劣汰,完成社会形态的和平进化。
BSV won’t care about you is American or Chinese, it is Christianity or atheism, is white or yellow, it is capitalism or socialism, is democratic or authoritarian, BSV only care about you do contribution for the world have a person willing to pay for the only true wealth equality can bring full political equality and personality equality, or relying on any centralized solution, nature is all the people as the center be forgotten, the United States or the federal reserve is no exception.

So my final conclusion is that the current human far haven’t master the best social form, without trial and error try more political just an ego continuously until the self-destruction of machine, and in order not to let political destruction with all people go to hell, we need to use honest power rules to limit the power of the government system, and then let them orderly competition, superior bad discard, complete social form of peaceful evolution.

清风徐来:
BSV体系带来的文明升级,是一种和平共生,和平共处,豪情在世间,四海不分界限的山顶风景。类比百千法门,同归方寸,这是可见的新(心)世界,也是可见的高难度,毕竟它颠覆的是整个传统社会的底层运行规则。

比较币圈其他币的庞氏属性而言,BSV一直在往正确的方向走,作为Bsver我们应该给BSV一点时间让各种应用落地、爆发,另外大家尽量从信息源头了解相关,可以从看博士的博客www.craigwright.net
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The civilization upgrade brought by the BSV system is a kind of peaceful coexistence, peaceful coexistence, lofty feelings in the world, the scenery of the top of the mountain without boundaries. This is a new (heart) world that is visible and difficult to see. After all, it subverts the underlying operating rules of the whole traditional society.

Comparing the ponzi properties of other COINS, BSV has been going in the right direction. As a Bsver, we should give BSV some time to let various applications fall and explode. In addition, we should try to understand the relevant information from the source
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I sincerely thank Lao luo for your sermon, which has enabled me and the group friends who have not changed the thinking of BTC to deepen our understanding of BSV and feel your many excellent qualities in the communication process. Thank you

AB型:
bsv是接受监管的是不是意思也可以监管货币使用的途径?
BSV is regulated does that mean that you can regulate the way money is used?

Stephen周:
我觉得我们不应该再宣传“迎合监管”了,会矫枉过正。BSV只是不反政府,不违法。
除此之外不用多想。一个新的技术,用在合法领域,仅此而已。换做别的技术,很少有人问这些问题。
I think we should stop promoting "pandering to regulation” and overcorrect it. BSV is just not anti-government, not illegal.
Don’t think about it much beyond that. A new technology, in the legal realm, nothing more. In other technologies, few people ask these questions.

hslayj:
比特币是非对称加密,意思就是如果你知道一个人犯法了,那么他的历史记录都可以被政府追溯到,以此来保证犯罪分子跑不掉,但是政府要把每个人的消费记录都监督了,那个不现实,因为把每个人的密码学身份都找出来是不现实的,只能一个一个找。货币金融流通领域的大额款项的可溯源性是全世界反洗钱法的基石,只有小额的钱出于成本考虑法律没做硬性要求。
COINS are asymmetric encryption, which means that if you know a person breaking the law, so his history can be traced back to the government, to ensure that the criminals to run not to drop, but the government to put everyone supervised the records of consumption, that is not reality, finds out every cryptography identity because it is not realistic, can only find one. The traceability of large amounts of money in monetary and financial circulation is the cornerstone of anti-money laundering laws all over the world.

hslayj:
比特币未来即将成功后,肯定有两种截然不同的政府态度,一种是支持,一种是反对,而比特币唯一能做的就是让支持他的地方领跑经济建设,然后让所有政府不得不加入比特币体系,就好像所有当初不加入全球贸易的国家最后都错过了工业革命浪潮一样,让后来者错过产业机会是比特币体系对反对者的最大惩罚。
Currency after the success of the future will be, there must be two very different government attitude, is a kind of support, is a kind of opposition, and the currency can only do is to make the support of his local leading economic construction, and then let all the government had to join the currency system, as if all had not joined the global trade country finally missed the industrial revolution, let others miss industry is the biggest punishment for the opponents the currency system.

昊轩:
比特币获得成功,要先推翻美元的殖民统治。
To succeed, bitcoin needs to overthrow the colonial rule of the dollar.

hslayj:
不用的,可以并行的,美元体系自己会烂掉,没烂掉之前就让它当老大挺好。比特币不是挑战者是拯救者。
No, it can be done in parallel. The dollar system will rot on its own. Bitcoin is not a challenger but a savior.

hslayj:
所有人都搞砸了,法币和国家不可被信任的时候,比特币就自动上位了,让全世界免于信用崩溃就是比特币最大的贡献,过早的对立没有意义,还有很多人会把经济衰退的锅甩过来。
When everyone messes up, bitcoin automatically takes over when fiat money and countries cannot be trusted. Saving the world from a credit crunch is bitcoin’s greatest contribution.

hslayj:
比特币要改变的是世界政治的丛林法则,是全世界体质癌症的医生,等病人自己找上门很重要,他觉得没病,你把他按在床上做手术,就算治好了,他也会跟你急的。
What bitcoin wants to change is the law of the jungle of world politics and the doctor of the world’s health. It is very important to wait for the patient to come to us. He thinks he is not sick, and you put him to bed for surgery.

hslayj:
比特币需要等libra,dcep搞砸了,国家链地区链搞砸了,全球法币体系搞砸了,BTC等币圈私有链搞砸了,然后最后出来万链归一,王者归来。
Bitcoin needs to wait for libra,dcep, country chain, regional chain, global legal currency system, BTC and other private chains to mess up, and then finally out of the chain, return to the king.

昊轩:
比特币目前并没有资格对抗法币。
Bitcoin is not currently eligible to compete with fiat currencies.

任小重:
白皮书也没说要完全取代法币吧?
The white paper doesn’t say it’s going to completely replace fiat money, does it?

Stephen周:
白皮书是计划的一部分,这一部分不会提到法币
The white paper is part of the plan and there will be no mention of fiat money

CHEER不舍:
说句实话DCEP搞砸应该不太可能,国家站台的项目是说没就没的?想什么呢 这可是m0属性,比特币没了DCEP都不会没,虽然我并不喜欢这玩意 但事实如此。
To tell you the truth, it’s unlikely that DCEP will mess up. What do you think? This is an m0 property. Bitcoin doesn’t die without DCEP, which I don’t like, but it does.

昊轩:
Bitcoin:A Peer To Peer Electronic Cash System,比特币:一种点对点的电子支付系统,并没有提到比特币是一种货币。

荣哥理财师:
比特币是一套记账系统,dcep是法币
Bitcoin is a billing system, and dcep is legal currency

Stephen周:
英文里没有对应中文“货币”的翻译,cash和currency略有不同
There is no English translation for the Chinese word for “currency.” cash and currency are slightly different

hslayj:
法币崩溃论是我的一家之言,CSW也没有预言法币崩溃的说法,这不是一个被普遍认可的理论,也没有经过广泛的讨论和事实的验证,所以除了这个群的人,别人应该都是不知道的,不过这个论点是我当初研究比特币的动因,所以我把这里面的逻辑讲一下,我姑且一说,大家姑且一听,事实怎么样还是要看真实世界的论证。
Fiat is my ra collapse theory, CSW nor predict fiat collapse, this is not a universally recognized theory, also has not been widely discussed and validation of the facts, so in addition to this group of people, others should be don’t know, but this argument is my original research of COINS, so I to explain the logic here, I can say, you can listen to, the fact how to still want to see the real world.

hslayj:
法币体系的通胀率一直是美联储推行的2%左右的通胀率,美联储基本就依据通胀的事实表现和这个数据的差额来不断的调整利率水平(当然也会考虑别的因素,但是通胀率是最主要的指标),通胀高了就加息关水龙头,通胀低了就降息开水龙头,这就是这几十年的法币世界的根本逻辑。

但是通胀逻辑就催生出一个金融事实,那就是拿现金是无法保值的,长时间的现金储备本质就是在不断的给国家送通胀利率的钱,时间久了这钱就被国家吞了,比如中国的M2长年在两位数的增量水平。当人们为了抵御通胀损失的时候,人们就不得不经过银行系统来增加收益,而银行体系的无序自由竞争可能会使得银行破产,于是各国央行不得不硬性规定一个最小准备金率,以防止金融挤兑导致的银行破产行为,于是法币就有了一条生死安全线——准备金率,这个比率越高,体系越安全,这个比率越低,体系越容易遭遇挤兑风险。而由于所有储户和金融体系都依赖于银行体系生存,因此银行体系一旦倒了,经济就会失血致死,这就造就了第一个大而不能倒的金融行业体系。
Fiat system’s inflation rate has been fed by the inflation rate of about 2%, the fed inflation according to the basic fact that the difference between the performance and the data to continuously adjust interest rates (of course also consider other factors, but the rate of inflation is the main index), the high inflation rates will turn off the faucet and low inflation will cut interest rates on faucets, this is the legal tender in decades the basic logic of the world.

However, the logic of inflation has given birth to a financial fact, that is, taking cash cannot maintain its value. A long-term cash reserve is essentially sending money with inflation interest rate to the country, which will be swallowed up by the country after a long time. When people in order to combat inflation, people are going to have to through the banking system to increase profits, while the unordered competition of the banking system may make bank failures, so central Banks had to enforce a minimum reserve ratio, in order to prevent financial run lead to bank failure behavior, and fiat have a safe life and death - the reserve requirement ratio, the higher the ratio, the security system, the lower the ratio, the easier system runs on risk. And because all depositors and the financial system depended on the banking system to survive, the economy bled to death when the banking system failed, creating the first too-big-to-fail financial system.

Stephen周:
现代金融相当于把所有人强行拉上赌桌。取代法币,是个人预测,甚至个人理想,但不能作为口号,至少10年内不能
Modern finance is the equivalent of forcing everyone onto the gambling table. Replacing fiat money is personal prediction, even personal ideals, but not as a slogan, at least for 10 years

hslayj:
银行在收到储户这些钱的时候,因为不能锁在仓库里不花,因为这样会造成通胀损失,因此所有银行的流动性资产不得不投资出去,完成金融的收益变现,而投资本身是一种风险行为,所有钱都被迫投出去后,其实就造成了第一重的流动性风险,这笔钱可能用于买国债、可能用于买企业债、可能用于房贷、可能用于其它类型的投资,而这种投资行为,使得很多不具备金融属性的产品完全变成了金融产品本身,比如美债就被认为是最安全的收益资产,房产被认为是很好的投资标的,这都是流动性过剩带来的现实反馈,债不是用来还的,而是用来投资的,房子不是用来住的,而是用来投资的,这就造成了股市、债市、楼市的长期泡沫化成为经济现实。
Bank the money after receiving the customer, because they cannot afford to lock in a warehouse not to spend, because it will cause inflation loss, so all Banks’ liquidity assets investment have to go out, complete financial their profits, that risk investment itself is a kind of behavior, after all the money is forced to go, actually creates the first heavy liquidity risk, the money could be used to buy national debt, could be used to buy corporate debt, could be used to mortgage, could be used in other types of investment, and this kind of investment behavior, has led many do not have financial attributes of products completely turned into a financial product itself, such as the U.S. debt is considered to be the safest assets, Real estate is regarded as a good investment target, which is the real feedback brought by the excess liquidity. The debt is not used to repay, but to invest, and the house is not used to live, but to invest, which causes the long-term bubble of stock market, bond market and property market to become the economic reality.

hslayj:
对于地方政府执政者来说,法币通胀是一套代际博弈的纳什均衡体系,一旦第一代执政者决定开始通胀体系的扩张(对于美国来说,就是七十年代脱离金本位),那么本质就是在透支整个体系的未来信用,而对于接下来的执政者接班人来说,他们几乎没有任何选择,只能继续这套博弈逻辑。比如一个执政者上台,他的执政地方政府账上趴着一个亿的债务,他会还么?他不会,因为他如果拿地方收入去还债,这个地方的建设和他的政治承诺都会受到财务挤兑,所以他的最优选择是继续借更多的债,一部分还利息,一部分用于发展经济和完成自己上台前的政治承诺,这就使得债务泡沫的雪球只会越滚越大,直到地区债务破产为止,本质上中国的很多地方债和美国的国债都是这种逻辑慢慢发展壮大的。
For local government authorities, fiat inflation is a set of intergenerational game Nash equilibrium of the system, once the first generation of leaders decided to start the expansion of the inflation system (for the United States, it is out of the gold standard in the seventy s), then the essence in overdraw the future of the whole system of credit, and for the next governor successor, they almost don’t have any choice, only to continue the game logic. For example, if a governor comes to power and his ruling local government has a debt of 100 million yuan on its books, will he pay it back? He won’t, because he take place if the income to pay off debts, the construction of the place and his political commitment is financial runs, so he is the optimal choice is to continue to borrow more money, part of the interest, also part for economic development and complete her political commitment on stage, this makes the debt snowball roll would be more bubbles, the greater the until region debt bankruptcy, essentially a lot of local government debt in China and the United States of the development of the national debt is the logic of slowly.

hslayj:
对于国家央行来说,本来它们是控制通胀体系的货币源头,它们能制止这种通胀扩张么?本质上也不能,因为世界本质是一个多边贸易博弈体系,国家的发展和外贸发展有着最直接的关系,而外贸发展本质是一个多国博弈的市场行为,如果一个国家的法币贬值,那么它们国家的货物相对来说就有全世界的价格优势,反之,如果一个国家法币增值,那么它们国家的货物价格上升就会带来外贸体系的出口受损,因此为了扩大出口额和贸易顺差,法币体系本质是一个价格博弈战场,价格战的博弈体系决定了,一旦有人开始贬值,其它人必须跟随这个策略,直到达到新的价格平衡为止,因此央行看似有能力决定通胀,但是他们的国家属性使得他们在国际法币贬值博弈中没有选择。
Can national central Banks, which are the monetary source of the inflation system, stop this inflationary expansion? Nature also cannot, because the world is essentially a multilateral trade game system, the development of the national and foreign trade development has the most direct relation, and the essence of foreign trade growth is a multinational game market behavior, the devaluation of a nation’s legal tender in they country goods relatively have the price advantage, on the other hand, if a country yuan appreciation, so their country’s goods prices rise will bring the export of foreign trade system is damaged, so in order to expand exports and trade surplus, fiat system is essentially a price game battlefield, price war game system determines, once someone started to fall, Others must follow this strategy until a new price equilibrium is reached, so central Banks seem capable of determining inflation, but their national identity leaves them no choice in the international devaluation game.

hslayj:
在地方政府和地方央行的双重失位下,法币通胀是一个无法逆转甚至越来越大的过程,有点类似于滚雪球,开始看起来是一个小雪球,随着时间和距离的增加,雪球最后就会造成雪崩。通胀比率的逐渐增大,会不断的逼迫央行降低利息和准备金率,印更多的钱去缓解体系的信用失位。然而这样的行为一旦放在市场经济的大环境下,就会造成真实利率为负的情况,所谓的真实利率的意思就是银行的利息已经小于真实的通胀水平,这就造成了整个体系的借贷狂潮,因为在这个体系中,借钱就等于挣钱,所以所有能够借钱的人,都想尽办法去借钱,借钱不再是风险行为,而是盈利行为,这种全民举债的行为就成为了通胀体系扩大的最大推手,房产质押、股权质押、信用质押,只要你能想到的东西,都会被抵押给银行,换来贷款权。
Under the dual dislocations of local governments and local central Banks, fce inflation is an irreversible and even growing process, somewhat like a snowball, which at first appears to be a small ball of snow and eventually causes an avalanche as time and distance increase. A rising inflation rate would force central Banks to cut interest rates and reserve requirements, printing more money to ease the system’s credit crunch. However such behavior once in the environment of market economy, can cause the real interest rate is negative, the meaning of the so-called real interest rates is the bank’s interest is less than the real inflation, which creates a lending spree of the whole system, because in this system, to borrow money is to earn money, so all the people who can borrow money, have tried to borrow money, borrow money is no longer a risk behavior, but the profit behavior, this kind of the behavior of the national debt has become a inflation system to expand the biggest driving force, real estate, equity pledge, a pledge credit pledge, as long as you can think of things, will be mortgaged to the bank, in return for loans.

hslayj:
然而,泡沫终归是泡沫,任何一个领域的泡沫破碎,都会导致连锁的金融链条反应,比如一个大公司的股价跌了,由于该公司进行了股票质押,因此银行不得不要求清算资产,而银行的资产清算,又可能直接导致一个公司甚至一个行业的彻底垮台,这种多米诺骨牌一旦在银行体系发生,将很容易彻底清空金融体系的准备金容器,造成整个体系的信用崩溃。所以,即使对于真正的改革者来说,这个体系也是无药可救的,这种牵一发而动全身的体系问题,就和一个癌症已经蔓延到全身的病人是一个道理,不去切除癌症是死,切除掉了癌症,所有地方都会死,这个体系是根本没有回头路的,靠政治强人的干涉也不行。而一旦银行体系遭遇准备金挤兑问题,国家就不得不无限印钞来为整个体系的信用兜底,就像这次美联储的表现那样,但是这本质上还是在打吗啡,并没有解决问题,只是把问题延后了,随着吗啡越打越多,法币体系的信用就越来越差,当法币的通胀已经长期超过地方的发展速度的时候,人们就真实进入了全面的经济衰退,这个时候法币体系的崩溃就是必然的,所有人都不相信法币的时候,恶性通胀就来了,那时候国家做什么都没用,因为所有人都已经不相信国家了。
However, bubble is a bubble, bubble in the field of any broken, will result in financial chain chain reaction, such as a large company’s share price fell, due to the company for stock pledge, so Banks have to hold the liquidation assets, but the bank’s assets liquidation, and could directly lead to a company or an industry meltdown, once the dominoes in the banking system, containers will be easy to clean out the reserves of the financial system, cause the whole system of the credit crunch. So, even for real reformers, this system also is hopeless, this highly interconnected system problems, just like a cancer has spread to the whole body of the patient is a truth, not to remove cancer is dead, removed the cancer, all dies, the system is no turning back, by the strongman interference. Reserve once the banking system by implosion, countries have to infinite printing money out of credit for the whole system, as the federal reserve’s performance, but it is essentially in morphine, did not solve the problem, the only delay the question, with morphine to play more and more, the fiat money system of credit is worse and worse, when fiat inflation has long than local development speed, people have real into a full-blown recession, fiat system collapse is inevitable at this time, all people don’t believe that fiat, hyperinflation came, then state what do doesn’t matter, Because everyone no longer believes in the state.

hslayj:
我介绍这个流程的时候,是根本没有加入比特币的,也就是说法币灾难从它开始的第一天起就埋下了隐患,它的生命周期完结了以后,如果没有其它的信用载体来重建信任,那么就会发生中国历史上许多次的改朝换代或者战争现象,因为旧的规则已经破碎了,新的共识还没有找到,人们必须通过武力来重新排定座次,然后由胜者来定义新的规则。理性的力量终归是有限的,市场的可贵之处就是它会给所有参与者非常快的反馈,而政治领域是没有市场规则的,一个政治政策的出台,很多时候是否好坏是由执政者本身定义的,但是其多年后会发生的连带影响,却是由所有人承受的,这种情况下,政客更容易透支未来满足眼前,就如拿破仑的那句名言一样“我死后哪怕洪水滔天”,因此承认政治的局限性,将政治体系的生命和人类的命运区分开就是BSV体系发展的最终宿命,让政府干错了也不用所有人倒霉是对政府改革的最高敬意,一个好的体系,所有人都收益,即使是政治参与者也不例外。
When I introduced the process, is not to join the currency, that is to say, fiat disaster since it began on the first day of the planted hidden danger, after the end of its life cycle, if there is no other credit carrier to rebuild trust, then will happen many times in the history of Chinese regime change or war phenomenon, because of the old rules have been broken, the new consensus has not yet found, people must to be ranked by force, and then by the winner to define the new rules. Rational power is limited after all, the beauty of the market is very fast it will give all participants feedback, there is no market rules and political field, a political policy, most of the time whether good or bad is defined by the rulers itself, but the knock-on effect will happen after so many years, it is by all the people, under this case, the politicians are more likely to overdraw the future meet eyes, like napoleon’s famous phrase about “after my death even if the deluge,” admitted that political limitations, therefore, will distinguish the life of the political system and the fate of human is the ultimate fate of BSV system development, There is no higher tribute to the reform of government than to let the government get it wrong and not to let everyone suffer. A good system benefits everyone, even the political actors.

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比特币经济学 : 首页
比特币经济学 1 : 开讲
比特币经济学 2 : 法律
比特币经济学 3 : CSW
比特币经济学 4 : 法币崩溃
比特币经济学 5 : 核心概念定调
比特币经济学 6 : 经济危机 HOT !!!
比特币经济学 7 : 路径 HOT !!!
比特币经济学 8 : 万链归一
比特币经济学 9 : 产业区块链
比特币经济学 10 : 去中心化
比特币经济学 11 : 代际剥削
比特币经济学 12 : 族群矛盾
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