比特币经济学 3 : CSW

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比特币经济学:基于BitcoinSV的全新视角来重新构想世界经济格局 #

Recreating Economics based on Bitcoin : Reimagining the world economic landscape based on a new perspective of BitcoinSV #

CONTENTS (目录) #

比特币经济学 : 首页
比特币经济学 1 : 开讲
比特币经济学 2 : 法律
比特币经济学 3 : CSW
比特币经济学 4 : 法币崩溃
比特币经济学 5 : 核心概念定调
比特币经济学 6 : 经济危机 HOT !!!
比特币经济学 7 : 路径 HOT !!!
比特币经济学 8 : 万链归一
比特币经济学 9 : 产业区块链
比特币经济学 10 : 去中心化
比特币经济学 11 : 代际剥削
比特币经济学 12 : 族群矛盾
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Conversation : 2020.3.10~3.15 #

hslayj:
目前的法币体系中,股市暴跌还算不上灾难,毕竟股指期数仍然是价格计算法的宏观表现,只要政府降息、降准、开动印钞机,一波暴跌可能就止住了,政府可以用巨大的通胀指标掩盖本来暴跌的市场价格信号,最大的灾难是到期债务违约导致的债务低利率甚至负利率、长期政府赤字和螺旋上涨的货币通胀,这才是对于普通老百姓和资本来说割肉的刀子,也是引起经济崩溃多米诺骨牌效应的第一只蝴蝶翅膀。法币体系可以很好的通过粉饰太平来避免恐慌情绪,可是并不能治疗病入膏肓的经济生态体系,恐龙的倒下可能仅仅是从一个不注意的伤口发脓溃疡开始的。
Current legal tender system, the stock market crash is not yet a disaster, after all, the stock index periods is still the macro performance of the calculation method of price, as long as the government cut interest rates, fall, printing presses, a wave of slump may be stopped, the government can use the great inflation measures cover was tumbling market price signal, is the largest disaster in the maturing debt default debt caused by low interest rates and even negative interest rates, rising government deficits and the spiral of monetary inflation for a long time, this is the cutting knife for ordinary people and capital, and lead to economic collapse domino effect of the first butterfly wings. Fiat money may be a good way to avoid panic by glossing over it, but it is no cure for an ailing economic ecosystem. The fall of the dinosaurs may have started with a festering ulcer from an unattended wound.

比特币张摩西:
BSV可以拯救吗?我仿佛闻到了类似的气息
Can BSV be saved? I could smell something similar

比特币张摩西:
The Times 03/Jan/2009 Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks.

hslayj:
如果BSV最后没有被政治毁掉,它肯定会是人类下一代的信用底层系统,当善意的中心化系统(现代政府)无法解决所有人类的棘手问题时,人们可能会更加相信基于透明性和多边审核性的去中心化系统,也就是BSV系统在经历过万币归一、万链归一、万物上链的生态升级后的终极区块链形态,目前BSV还过于脆弱,任何一个海浪都可能把它拍死在沙滩上。
If BSV last were not political destroyed, it will be the next generation of human credit underlying system, when the white centralized system (modern government can’t solve all human problems, people may be more believe that the decentralized system based on transparent and multilateral review, namely BSV system after all money unto a chain, of all things on the chain, ecological ultimate block chain form, after upgrading the BSV still too fragile, it any waves may be put to death on the beach.

hslayj:
所有中心化系统构建的信用体系在放到足够长的历史长河中,最后都会沦为庞氏,因为没有任何中心化系统是可以长久永续的,而随着中心化系统寿终正寝的时候,它所组织的信用体系都会崩溃,这也是去中心化信用的最大意义所在,可以让那些在中心化系统老去时代的人们,不再受整个体系信用崩塌的体系风险,政治危机、经济危机、战争危机可能最终的解决方案都蕴藏在去中心化信用体系中。
All of the credit system in the centralized system to build enough long history, the final will be reduced to a ponzi, because there is no centralized system can be sustainable for a long time, and with the end of the centralized system, it will collapse of credit system, which is the biggest meaning of decentralized credit, can let those in the centralized system of old age people, no longer subject to the system as a whole credit system of the collapse risk, political crisis, the economic crisis, war crisis may the final solution is in the decentralized credit system.

比特币张摩西:
@hslayj 想问一下大佬,您也是CSW的铁粉钢丝吗?还是只是看好中本聪愿景呢?
Hslayj wants to ask the boss, are you also the iron powder steel wire of CSW? Or are you just bullish on the nakamoto vision?

hslayj:
我确实是CSW的铁粉,区块链领域,除了CSW外,看到的基本都是门外汉,包括DCEP、Libra、EOS、Eth,大多数人不明白什么是系统架构,当一个软件体系的系统架构一旦搭好了,架构基本就是难以变动的,当因为系统需求而频繁变动系统架构的时候,这个体系就会变得极度不稳定。所以,我只要知道区块链领域谁的系统架构理解最深,谁就是比特币的原创者,很显然,这个人只能是CSW,与法庭证据无关、与创世签名无关。
I am CSW iron powder, block chain field, besides the CSW, see the basic are outsiders, including DCEP, Libra, EOS, Eth, most people don’t understand what is the system architecture, as a system of software system architecture, once set up architecture basic is difficult to change, because when the system demand and frequent changes in system architecture, the system will become extremely unstable. Therefore, I only need to know who has the best understanding of the system architecture in the blockchain field, and who is the originator of bitcoin. Obviously, this person can only be CSW, which has nothing to do with the court evidence and the creation signature.

比特币张摩西:
我了解的最懂比特币一些人都持有同样的观点,我也是同样的看法
Some of the people I know best about bitcoin have the same view, and so do I

hslayj:
当你听说怀特博士是骗子的时候,你需要十分谨慎,因为这个世界上有很多犯罪组织在有组织的去散播这些谣言,所以最好的证实方式,不是看网络空间中的只言片语和捕风捉影,而是彻底读懂CSW的世界观,而他的博客是最好了解真相的地方。CSW是人类历史级别的天才,这种才华是别人装不出来的。
When you heard that Dr. White is a liar, you need to be very cautious, because in this world there are a lot of organized crime in organized to spread these rumors, so the good way to confirm, not on the words in the cyberspace and innuendo, but thoroughly read CSW worldview, and his blog is the place where it is best to know the truth. CSW is a genius on the scale of human history, a talent no one else can fake.

hslayj:
一百年后,相信CSW的名字会和牛顿、爱因斯坦、瓦特、图灵、冯诺依曼、爱迪生这些人的名字一起放在人类文明的最高殿堂上,感恩伟人给我们带来智慧,是每一个思考者必备的道德追求。
A hundred years from now, it is believed that the name of CSW will be placed in the highest hall of human civilization together with the names of Newton, Einstein, watt, Turing, von neumann and Edison.

金矿:
很幸运加入这个群
I’m lucky to be in this group

清风徐来:
博士的博客www.craigwright.net
Dr. Craig’s blog is at www.craigwright.net

hslayj:
目前区块链的唯一正确打开方式只有BSV,其他所有的尝试在你了解BSV架构后,都会显得如白开水一样苍白无味毫无竞争性
Currently the only proper way to open blockchain is BSV, and all other attempts are as bland and uncompetitive as water when you understand the BSV architecture

比特币张摩西:
Set in stone 就是最好的方式,经过Genesis升级,BSV目前已经是最好的区块链,目前需要的就是像我们这样的人的口口相传,以及大量的人在BSV上面进行建设。
Set in stone is the best way. After Genesis upgrade, BSV is now the best blockchain. What is needed now is the word of mouth of people like us and a large number of people to build on BSV.

hslayj:
一个非常简单的软件区块链架构,能把人类的价值信用装进去、把政治的扩展装进去、把经济的进化装进去、把生态的完整装进去、把人类的法律、哲学都揉进去,这是软件工程创立以来的最大艺术品,没有之一。
A very simple software block chain architecture, can put the value of human credit into the pack, the expansion of politics into the pack, the economy into the pack, the ecological integrity into the pack, human law, philosophy into the pack, this is the software engineering since the establishment of the largest art, not one of the.

清风徐来:
提供人类文明共生需要的一切,确实是最大的艺术品。很幸运能参与其中成为时代的见证者。
这个时候我特别想和你们分享一首歌,静静的听一听《何日何方》
这十来年参与"区块链"当中的很多人并非深度了解区块链的全貌,而咱们群内有很多优秀的传道者,这些理性分析的声音应该结缘更多人被听到。
Providing all that is needed for the coexistence of human civilizations is indeed the largest work of art. I’m lucky to be a witness to The Times.
At this time, I would like to share a song with you, and listen to “where is the day” quietly.
Many people involved in the “blockchain” in the past decade do not have a deep understanding of the whole picture of blockchain, and there are many excellent evangelists in our group. These voices of rational analysis should be heard by more people.

邱少贤:
目前来看,很多人对 BSV 更多是不了解,眼光放远一点,在币圈之外,还有很多人需要知道比特币是什么,能做什么
At present, a lot of people do not know more about BSV. Look beyond the money circle, there are still a lot of people who need to know what bitcoin is and what it can do

邱少贤:
不过你们真要看的话可以看法庭的庭审记录,都是公开的
But if you do, you can look at the court records. They’re all public

邱少贤:
尽量从信息源头去了解,而不是道听途说
建议先看看 https://metanet.press 了解主干,再看公众号可以了解得更深刻一些
Try to learn from sources, not hearsay
I suggest you first look at https://metanet.press to understand the trunk, and then look at the public number to understand more deeply

清风徐来:
是的,从源头了解,可供学习的网址大家可以看下群公告
Yes, from the source, you can learn the website you can look at the group announcement

hslayj:
当时庭审的时候,一份不是核心问题的邮件被放到原告争论中,然后CSW说该邮件是假文件,然后原告说该文件来自CSW,这就是假文件的前因后果,csw的解释是法庭要求递交了非常多文件,很多文件是由前雇员整理的,而有些前雇员已经被买通了,干出了包括背着CSW私自贩卖区块链知识产权、重要文件盗窃、故意塞入非法文件的事情,所以该争议文件是被非法塞入的。维基解密因为和CSW的私人恩怨,前前后后通过PS制造了多个伪造文件来诋毁CSW伪造证据,这是目前说CSW造假的主要两个信息来源。
Trial at that time, a mail is not the core problem is on the plaintiff’s argument, then CSW said that the email is fake documents, then the plaintiff said the file from CSW, this is the ins and outs of the fake documents, the interpretation of the CSW is a court handed in very many files, files by many to be former employees of finishing, and some former employees have a bribe, dry out the chain includes carrying CSW to selling blocks of intellectual property, important documents theft, deliberately into illegal file, so the file is being illegally into the dispute. Because of a personal vendettas with CSW, wikileaks produced several forged documents through PS to denigrate the falsification of evidence by CSW, which are the two main sources of information to say that CSW falsified.

hslayj:
我目前确实在写比特币经济学的笔记,等过一两年,时机成熟了,一定先给大家看看,太早出来可能会成为歪理邪说,毕竟你让主流目前接受法币体系注定会崩溃、现有国际政治局势会瓦解、现代金融品价格定价理论有严重缺陷、政治博弈会带来金融系统恶化、区块链重塑人类文明这些结论,我想就是最开明的人,都会觉得是危言耸听、哗众取宠吧,等区块链新经济模式有苗头了,在推出来,可能能更好的照顾读者的承受力。
I now do in writing notes and COINS economics for a year or two, such as ripe for, must be for everyone to see, first out too soon may be a slanting reason heterodox, after all, you let the mainstream now accept fiat system is bound to collapse, the existing international political situation will collapse, modern financial product pricing theory has serious defect, the political game leads to deterioration of the financial system, block chain to reshape human civilization these conclusions, I think is the most liberal people, will think is alarmist, sensationalism, potential new economic mode, such as block chain in out, might be able to better take care of the strength of the readers.

清风徐来:
非常期待[咖啡]
Looking forward to it very much [coffee]

比特币张摩西:
记得CSW最喜欢的一本书是米塞斯写的,大佬您也是看好奥派吗?
Remember that one of CSW’s favorite books was written by mises. Are you a big fan of the austrians?

hslayj:
嗯,奥派更务实一些,其他经济学派多多少少有玄幻色彩
Well, the austrians are more pragmatic, and other economic schools are more or less mystical

hslayj:
凯恩斯的宏观调控学派让我想到了一个狐狸给两个小熊分饼的故事,熊大和熊二一起做了个饼,但是为怎么分发愁,因为都怕自己吃亏,这个时候狐狸来了,狐狸把饼分成大小两块,大块给熊大,小块给熊二,熊二不乐意了,狐狸就在熊大的饼上啃了一口,这个时候熊大的饼变成了小块,熊大就不愿意了,最后狐狸就这边咬一口,那边咬一口,最后的饼都被狐狸吃了,熊大熊二欲哭无泪,这个故事在现代金融体系中,熊大是贷款人、熊二是存款人,而央行就是那只狐狸。
Keynesian macroeconomic regulation and control of the school made me think of a fox to two bread story bear, bear and bear two together to make a cake, but how to worry, because are afraid of who, at this time of the fox, fox put the cake into two pieces, size large to bear big, small pieces to bear two, two not willing to bear, the fox in bear big cake chew the one mouthful, this time a bear big cake into small pieces and bear is not willing to, finally the fox bite side, the side bite, and finally the bread were eaten by the fox, Xiong Daxiong two nervous, the story in the modern financial system, the bear is big lenders, bears two is depositors, And the central bank is the fox.

比特币张摩西:
志同道合的人总能走在一起,有个问题想问一下,如果是纯粹的资本主义,市场经济的话,可能就没有一个强有力的政府,如果遇到类似肺炎这样的事情,该如何呢?
People with the same interests can always get together. One question I want to ask is, if it is a pure capitalism, a market economy, there may not be a strong government. What if there is something like pneumonia?

hslayj:
如果是现有经济政治模式,疫情和战争这种事件都只能靠大政府解决,小政府只能解决经济问题,但是社会发展不仅仅是经济问题。政府决策是个多元决策过程,他不像企业,奔着利润跑就行了,任何一个社会短板可能都会毁掉社会平衡,所以如果说企业是为了发扬长处而竞争的,那么政府其实就是在弥补社会短板,社会的短板越多,对政府的依赖就越大,当政治环境极端恶劣的时候,可能大政府是唯一的生存方式,但是这个问题可能随着区块链的出现而有所变化。
In the current economic and political model, outbreaks and wars can only be solved by big government, and small government can only solve economic problems, but social development is not just an economic problem. Government decision-making is a decision-making process, he does not like enterprise, rush the profits run, any society will probably destroy social balance board, so if the enterprise is in order to carry forward the advantages and competitive, then the government is in society, society of short board, the more the greater the reliance on the government, when extreme political environment, may be big government is the only way to survive, but the problem may change with the appearance of the chain of blocks.

比特币张摩西:
目前来看,中国的政策比国外要好很多,而且执行力强
For now, China’s policies are much better than those of foreign countries, and they are well executed

hslayj:
区块链的本质是通过公开来打通信息墙,最后完成信息透明,这种信息层面的共享可能会彻底摧毁猜疑链,也就是说它可能彻底摧毁战争的第一个形成动因。当人类能够进行更广泛的跨民族、跨国家、跨领域的广泛合作时,那么我觉得有限责任政府就有可能出现。那么政府之间的生存博弈,可能让政府不用全知全能,而仅仅有一些专业授权领域职能就够了,而且有限责任政府允许政府本身拥有更好的经济吸引和激进尝试,这有利于进一步的制度创新和失败止损。可能以后一个城市的失败,对于市民来说无非就是城市股票跌了或者换个城市生活,而一个城市成功了,可能整个政治体系的逻辑都可以得到升级,就有如公司管理那样,而且有限责任政府可能会让更多的公权力中间地带透明化,使得权力寻租不可能、滥用权力不可能,一种创新无极限、失败有底线的政治生态可能会给人类文明带来更大的活力。
The essence of blockchain is to break through the information wall through publicity and finally achieve information transparency. This sharing of information may completely destroy the chain of suspicion, that is to say, it may completely destroy the first cause of war. When mankind is able to conduct more extensive cooperation across nations, countries and fields, then I think limited liability government is likely to emerge. Then the survival game between governments may make the government not omnipotent, but merely have some professional functions in the field of authorization, and the limited liability government allows the government itself to have better economic attraction and radical attempts, which is conducive to further institutional innovation and failure to stop losses. May after the failure of a city, shares fell for citizens is city or a change of city life, and a city is successful, may be the whole logic of the political system can be upgraded, as the company management, and limited liability the government could make more transparency of the public power in the middle area, makes the power rent-seeking impossible, abuse of power is not possible, a kind of innovation without limits, failure is the bottom line of the political ecology may bring greater vitality of human civilization.

hslayj:
集权和民主都各有优缺点,我觉得最好的政治模式,是在这两者之间找到一个完美的平衡,让所有人既能享受民主的公平也能享受集权的高效,而不是在意识形态的隔膜中彼此瞧不起,毕竟共赢才是永恒的增长点,零和博弈其实对谁都不是最优选择。
Centralization and democracy are each have advantages and disadvantages, I think the best political pattern, is to find a perfect balance between the two, let all people can enjoy democracy, fair also can enjoy the efficient of centralization, and not look down upon each other in the ideology of the diaphragm, after all, win-win is the growth point of the eternal, a zero-sum game is not the best choice for everybody.

清风徐来:
是哪些因素导致历史发展了这么些年还没有在集权和民主之间寻找到平衡点?未来这些因素就会被逐一打破吗?
What are some of the factors that have led history to go so far as not to find a balance between centralization and democracy? Will these factors be broken down one by one in the future?

hslayj:
政治这个局和商业上的局是不一样的,商业上的局你可以每天尝试,市场会给你反馈,走对了赚钱,走错了亏钱,所以商业上的幸存者一般都非常的理解市场逻辑,并会根据市场逻辑不断调整自己的姿态,这也使得商业奇迹一旦出现,就可以在某个领域达到非常大的效率优化。政府的局在政府信用破产之前,是没人帮它参谋说哪一步是对的,哪一步是错的,所以政府进化非常困难,而一旦政府犯错误,后果也是非常严重的,所以政府创新是举步维艰的。政府的逻辑往往是在开国的那一批人身上定下基调,然后后来的人慢慢修修补补的。所以你对政府了解的越多,你看到的漏洞就会越多,而很多漏洞是现有局面下的纳什均衡,即使体系中的人都明白,这种平衡也是无法改良的。
Political bureau of the and commercial bureau is not the same, commercial bureau you can try every day, the market will give you feedback, go to make money, the wrong losing money, so commercial survivors are generally very logical understanding of market, according to the market logic and will constantly adjust their attitude, it also makes the commercial miracle once appear, can achieve very large efficiency optimization in certain areas. The bureau of government had no advisers to say which step was right and which step was wrong before the government’s credit went bankrupt, so the evolution of government is very difficult, and once the government makes mistakes, the consequences are very serious, so the innovation of government is difficult. The logic of government tends to set the tone for the founding group and then be slowly tinkering with it by those who follow. So the more you know about government, the more holes you see, and many of those holes are Nash equilibria in the current situation, and even if everyone in the system knows that, that balance cannot be improved.

hslayj:
如果没有战争的威胁和流血的威胁,那么政府是可以破产的,并且政府破产并不会给人民带来过度的负担,那么政府的创新尝试就是有可能的,很多以前无法想象的政治尝试,就可以通过有限责任政府来一一完成,直到找到最优的政治结构和利益链条,允许失败是创新的前提。
Without the threat of war and the threat of bleeding, so the government can be bankruptcy, and the government bankruptcy will not bring to people’s excessive burden, then the innovations on the government is likely, many previously unimaginable political attempt, you can through the limited government to complete one by one, until you find the most optimal political structure and benefit chain and allow failure is a prerequisite for innovation.

比特币张摩西:
不可重复实验,不可证伪
Do not repeat the experiment, do not falsify

昊轩:
美式民主只是表象,核心还是权力。1%的上流精英阶层在统治美国。300万精英,拖着两亿多垃圾人口前进。
American democracy is only the appearance, the core or power. The top 1 percent rule America. 3 million elites, dragging more than 200 million garbage population forward.

清风徐来:
嗯,我觉得我们这一代人已经开始隐隐约约觉得哪里有些不对,并且能自然接受地球村,世界公民的概念了,这其中有方方面面因素的推动推到我们这个时代面前,而这些杂糅在一起其实是在呼唤未来的区块链环境,可以说历史的车轮到这里确实要有一个转化,我就在期待着,虽然我描述的不准确,但是我觉得它已经蓄势待发了,只不过各方面的东西还并未天时地利人和。
Well, I think our generation has been vaguely feel where some wrong, and can naturally accept the global village, the concept of citizen of the world, the square aspect noodles factors push to the front of our times, and these mix together is the call of the future block chain environment, can say the wheel of history here really want to have a conversion, I was looking forward to, although I’ve described inaccurate, but I think it has been gaining momentum, but also is not the right place, right time and various aspects.

我是程zi:
不是不是,我们跟你不是一代人@清风徐来 你代表千禧一代😃
Does not, we not a generation with you @ the wind xu 😃 you represent the millennial generation

清风徐来:
@我是程zi 你们那个年代也是同样的啊,唱着一块红布遮住了眼,也遮住了天,摇滚表达的是那个年代的年轻人对人类文明的呐喊和渴求
It was the same in your time, singing a piece of red cloth to cover your eyes and cover the sky. Rock and roll expressed the young people’s cry and desire for human civilization

hslayj:
是的,每一代人有每一代人的宿命,可能这一代人真正将面临新一代的破局时刻,而这个局如果能够重新组好,可能很多以前困扰前人的问题,都将彻底和人类告别
Yes, each generation has its destiny, and maybe this generation will face the breaking point of the new generation. If this game can be reorganized, many problems that troubled the predecessors before may be completely bid farewell to mankind

昊轩:
美股,美债,美元都快崩盘了,世界信用体系将重估
Us stocks, treasuries and the dollar are about to collapse and the world’s credit system will be revalued

比特币张摩西:
为什么跌的这么惨,我没啥感觉呢?我全仓BSV
Why fall so miserably, I have no what feeling? I’m all warehouse BSV

hslayj:
万币归一之前要先万币归零了[晕]
这就是数字货币为什么必须有使用性,大家都屯币待涨,一个大户砸下盘就是这结果,所以才说bsv如果都成不了,就没有区块链能成
bsv目前应用没起来,本质也是投机者控盘节奏
Ten thousand COINS have to be zero before they are returned.
This is the digital currency why must have the use of sex, we all stock currency to rise, a large number of hit the bottom is this result, so just say BSV if all can not become, there is no block chain can become
BSV is not currently applied up, the essence is speculators control the rhythm

金矿:
是 都是被操控着
It’s all being manipulated

hslayj:
应用起来了,大家用bsv干实事了,才有价值基本盘,假如和石油法币那样一天交易量都是万亿美元级别的,那大户砸盘就不会这么吓人了
Application up, everybody USES BSV to do practical work, ability has value base dish, if trade is trillion-dollar level like day with oil legal currency, that big family hits dish won’t be so scary

hslayj:
这次暴跌已经证明了btc数字黄金的逻辑站不住脚,比特币必须发掘出自身的使用性才能让价值保持住
The plunge has proved that the logic of BTC digital gold is untenable, and that bitcoin must discover its usefulness to keep its value

金矿:
对。非常赞同
right Very much agree with

金矿:
@hslayj 如果央行发行数字货币并投入使用。会带来什么影响
Hslayj if the central bank issues digital currency and puts it to use. What’s the impact

hslayj:
央行的逻辑和区块链的逻辑本质是两种逻辑,我不看好数字央行数字货币,其实央行数字货币已经有了,就是支付宝和微信
The logic essence of the central bank’s logic and block chain logic is two kinds of logic. I am not optimistic about the digital central bank’s digital currency. In fact, the central bank’s digital currency already exists, namely alipay and WeChat

清风徐来:
邱少新文章出来了,大家记得去看。
Qiu shaoxin article came out, you remember to read.

@ Away:
刚刚看了发出来的文章,可是没吃透。
I just read the article, but I didn’t understand it thoroughly.

hslayj:
大概意思就是,以前比特币减半只有一个,现在减半有3个,光靠减半就没用了,要杀掉另外两个才行,如果仅仅减半就有用,去年莱特币就不会减半后大跌了,光减半没用,必须是龙头才行
If only half of the bitcoin is useful, last year litecoin would not be halved after the drop, only half of it is useless, only half of it must be a leader

@ Away:
@hslayj 谢谢解释[强][强]
这样就能看出来龙头是谁了吗
@hslayj thanks for explaining [strong] [strong]
So you can tell who the tap is

hslayj:
接下来的减半周期会有答案,谁才是真区块链龙头
The next halving cycle will answer the question of who is the true blockchain leader

别情:
龙头不就是bsv,要不带头涨要不带头跌,上下洗,只能佛系了
Bibcock is not BSV, or take the lead to rise or take the lead to fall, wash up and down, can only Buddha

@ Away:
减半周期结束要等到大饼减半了才能算结束吗
Half a cycle ends when the pie is halved

别情:
你看老罗分析的很详细了,不用扯减半,就是要btc和bch,乱七八糟山寨归死才行
You see the old analysis is very detailed, do not have to pull half, is to BTC and BCH, a mess shanzhai to die

清风徐来:
我入场在高位,入场即被套,和众多小韭菜一样被套后被迫开始学习,越学习越觉得自己无知,不过兴奋的是我发现自己无意挖到宝藏。
I entered in the high position, the entrance is quilt cover, and many small leeks were forced to start learning after being covered, the more learning more feel their ignorance, but excited is that I found that I have no intention of digging to the treasure.

hslayj:
没那么精确,很多人看着减半的,大家都有预期了,可能减半发生在今年上半年,市场影响要下半年甚至明年来都有可能
It’s not that precise, a lot of people are looking at halving, we all have expectations, maybe halving in the first half of this year, market impact to the second half of the year or even next year is possible

别情:
bsv肯定是上下最夸张的,拉回来最有希望,毕竟路线决定生存
BSV must be up and down the most exaggerated, pull back the most promising, after all, the route determines survival

清风徐来:
今天邱少的文章妙,人文和科学只有在山脚下才会打起来,山顶上大家发现,我要的原来就在你那里。而且每次邱少的类比都很贴切:公孔雀尾巴和矿工算力的连接、Merkle 树下有乾坤,题目就有一种新世界的感觉、真假猕猴来形容BTC和BSV,修心悟道……绝👍,安宁和乐,自由平等的桃花源链接BSV的未来愿景,怎一个好字👍,万链归一,自然而然,海纳百川,有容乃大,大格局,好!好!好👍
Today qiu shao’s article is wonderful, humanities and science only at the foot of the mountain will fight, we found on the top of the mountain, I want the original in you there. And every time qiu shao’s analogy is very appropriate: the male peacock tail and the miner’s calculation of the connection, there is a universe under the Merkle tree, the title has a feeling of a new world, real and false macaques to describe BTC and BSV, mind and understanding…… Unique 👍, peace and joy, freedom and equality of peach garden link BSV vision of the future, how a good word 👍, belong to a chain, naturally, empty sea, tolerance is a great, big pattern, good! Good! Good 👍

邱少贤:
😊

hslayj:
区块链行业爆发才是真牛市,光靠减半不够
起码只有bsver才明白为什么会万币归零
Blockchain industry outbreak is the true bull market, only by half
At least only bsver can understand why ten thousand dollars go to zero

清风徐来:
当市场因减半而打破平衡,无法承载那么多算力的时候,那些溢出的算力将何去何从呢?
When the market is out of balance by halving, unable to hold so much computing power, what happens to the spillover?

比特币张摩西:
只有BSVER不慌
Only BSVER didn’t panic

hslayj:
算力跟着价格走的,价格不够矿机会关机
The calculation force follows the price to walk, the price is insufficient the mine opportunity shuts down

清风徐来:
今天的市场最适合文章中这句话:如今战斗的号角已经响起,几个月前还不以为然的你,是否已经嗅到那即将到来的现实:比特币将凤凰涅槃,并按照中本聪愿景重回创世纪?
Today’s market fits the article: now that the battle has begun, have you, who only a few months ago didn’t think so, sensed the reality that bitcoin will rise from the ashes and return to creation in the nakamoto vision?

@ Away:
算力是和价格走的
The calculation force is related to the price

别情:
等关机潮吧
Wait for the tide to turn off

@ Away:
BTC的矿工好像都关机啦
The miners at BTC seem to have switched off

hslayj:
如果有人告诉我区块链就这样死了,我是肯定不信的,bsv就算真不行,也不是这两年的事,万币归一万链归一值得一个市场关注周期
If someone told me that blockchain died like this, I would definitely not believe it, BSV even if really not, it is not the matter of the past two years, ten thousand to ten thousand chain is worth a market attention cycle

hslayj:
美股短期内发生两次熔断,石油危机,冠状病毒同时爆发,世界经济危机应该已经开始了,接下来几年的宏观局面的日子可能非常不好过,可以预见到各国央行为了应对衰退会重启量化宽松,股票、债市、通胀都会受到很大的冲击。
U.S. stocks in the short term two fuse, the oil crisis, coronavirus broke out at the same time, should the world economic crisis has already started, the day of the macroeconomic situation can be very hard for the next few years, can be foreseen that central Banks will resume quantitative easing (qe) in response to the recession, stocks, bonds, inflation will be a big shock.

昊轩:
页岩油企业债券马上会崩盘
Shale oil corporate bonds will soon collapse

hslayj:
然后美国金融体系各类担保证券的资金链可能出问题,然后就是各种债务违约、资产挤兑潮,然后就是央行出面放水甚至私有资本国有化,最后市场利率极低甚至负利率,然后就是法币的大幅度通胀甚至恶性通胀,这就是一个多米诺骨牌,第一张倒了,后面的就会依次倒下,这也是现代金融体系的最大问题。
The stock of capital chain of guarantee and the U.S. financial system may be a problem, then there are all kinds of debt default, assets run, and then there is the central bank to drain even nationalization of private capital, the market interest rate is extremely low or even negative interest rates, and then large inflation, even hyperinflation of fiat, which is a domino, the first down, will, in turn, fall behind, this also is the biggest problem of the modern financial system.

hslayj:
BSV社区过于依赖CSW了,BSV目前远远还没有为承接资本的接力棒做好准备,新体系的方法论、知识储备、资本规模、技术指标、政治环境、法律成熟度还远远达不到过度要求。
The BSV community is too dependent on CSW. BSV is far from ready to accept the baton of capital. The methodology, knowledge reserve, capital scale, technical indicators, political environment and legal maturity of the new system are far from excessive.

清风徐来:
中肯
To the point

邱少贤:
目前确实是个隐患,经济危机来得太快,BSV 还没有准备够好
There is a real danger that the crisis is coming too soon for BSV to be ready

邱少贤:
扩容之争荒废了太多的时间
Too much time has been wasted in the debate over expansion

金矿:
千万不要扼杀在摇篮里
Don’t kill it in the cradle

hslayj:
如果没有区块链,这次经济危机同样会发生,这是现代中心化金融体系的顽疾,人们甚至连寻找承载体的希望都没有,各个国家劫后余生寻找背锅侠的时候,重返世界大战的逻辑几乎是一触即发的,所以所有BSVer要努力学习和思考,争取在时代砸中的时候,做一个有准备的人。
If there is no block chain, the economic crisis will also occur, this is the modern centralized financial system’s ills, cannot hope to people even looking for bearing, various countries for the man to find back the strait, to return to the logic of world war ii is almost a hair-trigger, so all BSVer to learning and thinking, strive for the time, in time to hit the minds that are prepared.

清风徐来:
该从哪些方面着手准备呢?
Where should we start?

hslayj:
从自己擅长的地方入手吧,区块链的影响肯定是对所有行业都有的,信用是现代商业的空气,所有商业最后应该都渴望从区块链中获得信用加持从而赢得市场竞争,去理解自己喜欢的行业逻辑,思考如何用区块链改变它,结合自己的长处,新的行业领域出来,不管是投资者、创业者、开发者、组织者、普通参与者都有大把的机会。
From the place of you are good at it, the influence of block chain must be for all industries, credit is the modern commercial air, all business should finally are eager to get credit from blocks in the chain of blessing to win the market competition, to understand the business logic that oneself like, change it, think about how to use block chain combined with their own strengths, new industries, either, developers, investors, entrepreneurs, organizers, ordinary participants have a lot of opportunities.

清风徐来:
@hslayj 嗯嗯,您给的建议方向很明郎,我得结合自己的情况好好想想,要做些什么
Hslayj @hslayj well, the direction you gave me was very clear. I have to think about it in my own situation. What should I do

hslayj:
BSV有三层生态,第一层生态就是白皮书写的矿工硬件生态,它决定了比特币的底层基础设施的竞争逻辑和发展逻辑;第二层生态就是Metanet包含的价值互联网软件生态,它决定了比特币各个应用场景的软件生态发展逻辑和竞争逻辑;第三层生态就是现实世界的观念生态,它决定了人们如何看待比特币,如何利用比特币,如何管理比特币,我觉得第三层才是最难的,因为真实的世界包罗万象,当第三层生态成熟的时候,比特币BSV才能谈得上真正的成功。
BSV has three layers of ecology. The first layer is the miner’s hardware ecology written in the white paper, which determines the competition logic and development logic of the underlying infrastructure of bitcoin. The second ecology is the value of Internet software ecology contained in Metanet, which determines the software ecological development logic and competitive logic of each application scenario of bitcoin. The third layer of ecology is the conceptual ecology of the real world, which determines how people view bitcoin, how to use bitcoin and how to manage bitcoin. I think the third layer is the most difficult, because the real world is all-encompassing, and only when the third layer of ecology is mature can BSV talk about real success.

未雨:
老师,讲讲价格
Teacher, talk about the price

hslayj:
短期价格不好说,如果万币归零了,那BSV殃及池鱼跌的很惨是很有可能的。不过我还是偏向于在BTC神话破灭后,BSV是那个重新举起比特币区块链大旗的资产,下半年病例上链如果顺利,会给所有行业做一个很好的榜样,很多有区块链需求但是没有自己做链意向的公司或政府可能会尝试BSV,当尝试的人足够多的时候,BSV的网络规模效应一起来,需求端上涨,供给端产量减半,这是一个很大的上升推动力量,BSV应该会主宰下一个区块链牛市。
The short - term price is hard to say, if ten thousand yuan to zero, then BSV and the disaster is very likely. But I still prefer to after the burst in BTC myth, BSV is the banner of assets, to raise the currency block chain in the second half of the cases on the chain if all goes well, will be a good example for all industry, many have block chain requirements but not do your own chain of the company or the government might try BSV, when people enough to try the BSV network scale effect together, rise in demand side, supply side production by half, this is a great driving force, increase BSV should dominate the next block chain bull market.

然:
说说理解,你看对不对,也就是说tocial那个默认的地址是链上的,钱冲进去后直接就对应链上的bsv交易,不是中心化系统心里随便生成的一个哈希值,对么
Say to understand, you see right, that is to say tocial that default address is on the chain, the BSV transaction on the chain directly after money rushes in, not a hash value that centralization system generates randomly in the mind, right

aaron67:
tocial为每个用户分配一个bsv地址 你充值积分 bsv就到你tocial账户对应的这个地址
价格从 https://coinmarketcap.com 实时获取 
在你点下单的时候锁定 然后计算
Tocial for each user assigned a BSV address you recharge integral BSV to your tocial account corresponding to this address
The price from https://coinmarketcap.com real-time access
Lock and calculate when you order

aaron67:
cmc的价格 是全球交易所价格的加权平均
CMC prices are a weighted average of global exchange prices

hslayj:
CSW不认为比特币会取代法币,不认为法币会崩溃,不认为比特币会改变社会经济形态,不认为比特币会涨到10万美金以上。
CSW doesn’t think bitcoin will replace fiat money, it doesn’t think fiat money will collapse, it doesn’t think bitcoin will change the social economy, it doesn’t think bitcoin will go above $100,000.

虽然以上观点我都不认同,不过我认为大家应该知道中本聪的观点和我观点的差异,免得关在单方面的信息茧房中做出误判。
I don’t agree with any of the above points, but I think you should be aware of the difference between satoshi nakamoto’s point of view and mine, so as not to make a mistake in a one-sided information cocoon.

hslayj:
因为BSV目前的生态还没有长出来,流动性还是投机者提供的,所以目前BSV的涨跌逻辑和其它币一样,BSV的生存逻辑是其生态长出来,提供了区块链体系的效用,大家开始用它了,它的逻辑才能与其它币分开。
Since BSV’s current ecology has not yet grown and the liquidity is still provided by speculators, the current BSV’s rise and fall logic is the same as other currencies. BSV’s survival logic is its ecology grows and provides the utility of the block chain system. When people start to use it, its logic can be separated from other currencies.

@ Away:
所以说今年上半年的暴涨就是投机的机构带头的
So the surge in the first half of this year was led by speculative institutions

hslayj:
目前来看很有可能,币圈普涨普跌,而且幅度巨大,可能是对冲基金的手笔。
At the moment, it seems likely that the currency will go up and down, and by a large margin, probably at the hands of hedge funds.

@ Away:
暴跌是因为这次全球疫情引起的,导致所有人都想把钱拿在手里
就跟随暴跌
The crash was caused by the global outbreak, which made everyone want to keep their money in their hands
Just follow the crash

hslayj:
在低流动性资产中,10%的流动资金就可能撬动50%的市值,这就是BTC数字黄金低使用率的现实版本漏洞,对冲基金可以随时操纵市场进行套利。
In illiquid assets, 10 per cent of liquidity can leverage 50 per cent of market capitalisation, a real-world version of BTC digital gold’s low utilisation, allowing hedge funds to manipulate the market at any time for arbitrage.

hslayj:
BTC的逻辑目前来看基本已经崩了,BSV的预言已经实现了,下一个牛市属于BSV,我仍然保持这个观点。
BTC’s logic has basically collapsed for now, BSV’s prediction has been fulfilled, the next bull market belongs to BSV, I still maintain this view.

@ Away:
这次暴跌之后会怎么样呢,还会有人进入市场吗
What’s going to happen after this crash? Is anyone going to come into the market

hslayj:
投机者的多头这波基本已经死的差不多了,新人进市场靠以前的逻辑就说不通了,需要区块链的新增长点,也就是应用场景的爆发,这是我的观点。
The long wave of speculators has basically died, and the logic of newcomers entering the market is illogical. It needs a new growth point of blockchain, namely the explosion of application scenarios. This is my opinion.

邱少贤:
BSV 慢慢会走出和 BTC 不一样的价格轨迹的,期货市场会被消化掉,现货稳步发展
这是成长的阵痛,毕竟之前偏移初心太远
BSV will slowly out of the price trajectory and BTC is not the same, the futures market will be digested, spot steady development
This is the pains of growing up, after all, the original drift too far

hslayj:
不一定,目前已经有大应用入场了,有区块链需求但是没有做链想法的企业的第一选择其实就是BSV,所以对明年BSV爆发,我还是有一定信心的
Not necessarily. At present, there are big applications entering the market, and the first choice for enterprises without the demand of blockchain is actually BSV. Therefore, I have some confidence in the BSV outbreak next year

Dt:
时间长点也好,正本清源,沉疴尽去,离钱远一点才可以更好地静下心来建设和学习
Long time is good, the original qingyuan, rottenness all go, from the money a little bit further can better calm down to build and learn

hslayj:
目前币圈的黑钱太多了,BSV要走合法道路,这部分钱肯定是进不来的,现在相当于青黄不接的阶段,币圈黑钱进不来,合法商业圈的钱还没来得及进来
At present coin circle of black money is too much, BSV to take the legal road, this money is certainly not to come in, now equivalent to the stage of yellow and green, coin circle of black money can not come in, legitimate business circle of money has not time to come in

@ Away:
要想商业作用币圈的技术跟国家的推广也密不可分吧
就是国家方面大力推行区块链技术
Want the technology of the coinage of commercial action to be inseparable also with the promotion of the country
Is the country to vigorously promote block chain technology

hslayj:
很多国家目前在战略上已经明确将区块链作为国家战略了,只是还没找好具体的发展抓手,这个需要企业家给国家提供方案选择
At present, many countries have explicitly taken blockchain as a national strategy in terms of strategy, but have not yet found a specific development strategy, which requires entrepreneurs to provide options for the country

昊轩:
起诉一家互联网巨头侵权,打个广告
Sue an Internet giant for copyright infringement. Run an AD

@ Away:
所以现在做区块链技术的也还是嘴上的说说,没有实际的行动,所以导致泡沫的增幅,不像股市配合着公司企业,等到技术落地于企业的时候,就是未来看见希望的时候了
So now the blockchain technology is still pay lip service, there is no actual action, so lead to the growth of the bubble, unlike the stock market with the company, when the technology landing in the enterprise, is the future to see hope

hslayj:
实际的行动肯定是有的,但是具体落地成功获得广泛认同的目前只有比特币,有人去做区块链商业模式和有人做出来成功的商业模式这个中间的区别是很大的。
There is definitely some actual action, but the only one whose successful implementation is widely recognized is bitcoin. There is a big difference between someone doing blockchain business model and someone doing successful business model.

hslayj:
一个项目要成功,光有概念是不行的,用户要接受,商业逻辑要成立,企业要有持续的正向资金流和明确的市场利基,这些都有了,才能算是一个成功的商业模式,一个创业者有一个好想法组织了一群很牛的人去做一件事,这还不能被定义为成功。
Concept of a project to be successful, light is not enough, users should accept, business logic to set up, the enterprise should have continued positive cash flow and market niche, these have to be a successful business model, an organization that entrepreneurs have a good idea for a group of people very cow to do a thing, it also can be defined as success.

昊轩:
我们需要做的是停止所有关于比特币将对法币和政府资金造成影响的负面看法。
这些评论没有一条能帮助我们。
每一次有人说比特币会毁灭法币就会让比特币越来越难以在全球范围内实际使用。
我们需要做的是开始建设-使用账本的企业,会计、记录、公证,甚至身份管理,这些无聊的东西才最重要
What we need to do is stop all negative perceptions about the impact bitcoin will have on fiat and government funds.
None of these comments helped us.
Every time someone says bitcoin will destroy fiat money it becomes harder and harder for bitcoin to actually be used around the world.
What we need to do is start building – businesses that use ledgers, accounting, records, notarization, even identity management, the boring stuff that matters the most

昊轩:
深挖洞,高筑墙,广积粮,缓称王
Dig a deep hole, build a high wall, store grain widely, slow king

hslayj:
其实比特币不是法币的竞争者,而是拯救者,有没有比特币,法币的逻辑都难以长久持续。国家靠印钞票薅羊毛,老百姓就会转移价值存储媒介,房产、债券、股票等各类资产就会泡沫横生,然后任何一种资产泡沫破灭,国家就不得不继续薅羊毛来拯救体系,最后羊毛越薅越少,法币体系的信用越来越弱,经济危机就来了,没有人能被相信、没有人愿意相信,很多时候人们强调力量保证了国家信用,可是信用本身是靠诚实铸就的,强大的力量骗久了,人们也会远离它。
In fact, bitcoin is not a competitor of fiat currency, but a savior. The logic of fiat currency cannot be sustained for a long time without bitcoin. Country by printing money while wool, the citizens will transfer value storage media, real estate, bonds, stocks and other assets will bubble, then any kind of asset bubble burst, countries will have to continue to uproot the wool to rescue system, finally the more wool while the less, the fiat money system of credit is more and more weak, the economic crisis came, no one can believe, no one is willing to believe that a lot of times people emphasize strength to ensure the national credit, but credit itself is on honesty molded, powerful cheat for a long time, people will get away from it.

hslayj:
市场交易量越小,资金盘就越容易被大资金控制,万链归一的逻辑中,交易量是一把筷子抱成团,大资本控制不了,万链齐发逻辑是每根筷子各搞各的,在资本逻辑中,一把筷子折不断,一根筷子一根筷子折就很容易了。
The smaller the market transaction volume, the more easily the capital plate is large capital control, in the logic of the chain, trading volume is a chopstick into a group, large capital control, the chain of qi hair logic is each chopstick to make their own, in the capital logic, a chopstick folding, a chopstick a chopstick folding is very easy.

hslayj:
所以币圈被证伪对bsv的方法论仍然是一个好事
So the falsification of coinage is still a good thing for BSV’s methodology

比特斯卡:
是啊 表面上看 比特万亿市值  实际可能千亿的样子
丢失的忽略不计 死囤的忽略不计  没释放出来的忽略不计
Yeah, on the face of it, the market value of bittrillion might actually be 100 billion
Neglect of the lost, neglect of the hoarded, neglect of the unreleased

hslayj:
所以比特币必须被使用,庞大的市值才有保证,否则不管多少都是海市蜃楼,一个资本脉冲进来,市值就下来了
So bitcoin has to be used in order for its huge market value to be guaranteed. Otherwise, no matter how much is a mirage, a capital pulse comes in and the market value comes down

hslayj:
区块链的发展肯定是需要时间的,上链成本不一样,上链数据就不一样,这是一个随着成本和生态发展而不断变化的过程。目前来说文本数据、账务数据甚至关系型数据库数据上链都是在成本上可行的,但是随着成本的不断下降,那么图片上链、视频上链、冗余数据上链可能都会变成可行的。
数据的价值是随着数据维度的增加、数据量的增加以及数据时间的累积和数据相互印证关系而不断上升的,可能有些数据单看起来没价值,但是一旦形成数据链和数据印证关系可能就能凭空产生价值,这也是为什么我那么推崇万链归一的原因。如果单单从目前的角度来看,单纯的数据上链可能仅仅能体现出数据的备份价值。但是如果各种商业应用和场景铺开了,那么数据的多维度价值就展现出来了,那时候就没有人能够脱离区块链生活了,比如你去看医生,你的这次诊疗记录上链了,他可能是没价值的,但是当你所有诊疗数据都上链了,你的身体健康数据模型可能就有价值了,而医疗公司如果能购买很多人的身体数据模型,可能就能产生更大的数据价值井喷。
The development of blockchain will certainly take time. If the cost of the chain is different, the data of the chain will be different. This is a process that changes constantly with the development of cost and ecology. At present, text data, accounting data and even relational database data chain are feasible in terms of cost, but with the continuous decrease of cost, the chain on pictures, video and redundant data may become feasible.
Data value is increased with the increase of data dimension, the increase in the amount of data and the accumulation of data of time and data interactive relationship and rising, there may be some data sheet looks have no value, but once formed data chain and verify relationship may can create value out of thin air, that’s why I so admired chain for a reason. From the current point of view, the simple data on the chain may only reflect the backup value of the data. But if rolled out a variety of business applications and scene, then the data of the multi-dimensional value is displayed, then no one can escape a life chain blocks, such as you go to see a doctor, you of the chain on the medical record, he may have no value, but when you all clinical data on the chain, your physical health data model may be valuable and medical company if we can buy a lot of physical data model, may cause greater data value can blowout.

比特币张摩西:
虽然最近币价跌的厉害,但对BSV信仰越来越强了,在其他链上我没看到任何潜力,感觉一干人都在瞎搞。
I don’t see any potential in other chains. I feel like a bunch of people are fooling around.

hslayj:
是的,比特币的潜力很大,可能CSW都没有完全想明白
Yes, bitcoin’s potential is so great that CSW may not have fully figured it out

比特币张摩西:
很多变革的产生出现在数据量足够大的时候,而这是无法重复实验的,只有数据到了那个级别,比如,tb,pb级别的时候,效应才会显示出来。
Many changes occur when the amount of data is large enough, which is impossible to repeat the experiment. Only when the data reaches that level, such as TB and pb level, will the effect be shown.

hslayj:
嗯,数据量积累、数据关系模型的软件环境、各个行业标准的确立、现实世界的区块链化改造,都不是短时间能完成的,需要整个生态的发展,这是一个长时间的发展过程,可能还需要很多很厉害的创业者甚至CSW式的模式创造者才能完成,对现实世界的反向影响周期可能是动辄以十年记的。
Well, accumulated amount of data and data relationship model of software environment, the establishment of various industry standards, block chain, transformation of the real world, is not a short period of time to complete, required the development of the ecosystem, it is a long process of development, may need a lot of great entrepreneurs even CSW type pattern of the creator to complete, the reverse influence to the real world cycle may be easily to remember ten years

比特币张摩西:
CSW说过,互联网是BSV的侧链,现在在看这句话,是有一定道理的,BSV通过各种方式把传统互联网上面的有价值数据都放到链上,而垃圾数据没有必要写到链上。这样看得话,互联网确实是bsv的侧链,互联网负责生产内容,而用户负责挑选有价值的内容上链。
CSW said that the Internet is the side chain of BSV, now looking at this sentence, there is a certain sense, BSV through a variety of ways to put the valuable data on the traditional Internet on the chain, and there is no need to write junk data to the chain. In this way, the Internet is really the side chain of BSV, the Internet is responsible for producing content, and users are responsible for selecting valuable content on the chain.

比特币张摩西:
至于别人所说的跨链,这完全就是在胡扯,世界上只需要一条链就是bsv。
As for what others say about cross chains, this is complete nonsense, the only chain the world needs is BSV.

hslayj:
是的,跨链是万链齐发的逻辑,是BTC Core说链上扩容不可能的后生态灾难,从长期边际成本来看,一条链的上链成本可能比万链齐发的上链成本低一到两个数量级,这还没有算行业链的不稳定性、信息孤岛性、资本易操控性等特征,跨链逻辑是笑话。
Yes, cross chain is the logic of chain have been BTC is Core said after expansion is not possible in the chain of ecological disaster, from the point of long-term marginal cost, a chain chain cost may bevan chain have been on the chain of low cost one or two orders of magnitude, it has not yet been instability of the industry chain, information, capital features such as easy handling, cross chain logic is a joke.

hslayj:
整个币圈除了BSV都是走在反政府的路上,政府真的想明白了,他们也就没了,政府要是没有想明白,他们的市值注定了他们也是资本大鳄的提款机,长久持续下去所有的信仰者都会沦为韭菜。
The whole money circle except BSV is walking on the road of antigovernment, the government really want to understand, they are gone, if the government did not want to understand, their market value doomed they are also the cash machine of the capital giant, for a long time continue all believers will be reduced to leek.

hslayj:
如果BSV的应用之路没有走出来,BSV也难逃一死,但是BSV起码还在正确的路上走着,而其它币早都在庞氏骗局和违法的路上越走越远了。
BSV would have died if it hadn’t gone the right way, but BSV was at least on the right path, while the rest of the currency had gone further and further into ponzi schemes and illegality.

@ Away:
博士的专利产品是真的吗
Is the doctor’s patented product real

hslayj:
是的,1000多个专利不是闹着玩的
Yes, more than 1,000 patents are no joke

比特币张摩西:
主流世界对BSV的偏见,就像这次疫情期间国外看中国防疫一样,一开始各种嘲讽,现在各种求经验,这么世界也真是太荒诞了。
The prejudice of the mainstream world against BSV is just like that of foreign countries watching China’s epidemic prevention during this epidemic. At the beginning of all kinds of ridicule, now all kinds of seeking experience, so the world is really too absurd.

曾健:
爱迪生有那么多专利,到底有多少财富
Edison has so many patents, how much wealth in the end

@ Away:
专利的应用落地了吗
Has the application of the patent been implemented

hslayj:
爱迪生当时押宝直流电,把自己亏进去了
Edison lost money by betting on direct current

@ Away:
应该加入bsv的生态了吧
It’s time to join BSV’s ecology

hslayj:
bsv就是各种专利的落地,还有很多行业专利正在落地
BSV is the landing of all kinds of patents, and a lot of industry patents are landing

hslayj:
投资最好的位置,就是找到一个大多数人还不接受的真相。大家都认可了,价格就上去了。
The best place to invest is to find a truth that most people don’t accept. Everyone agreed, the price went up

hslayj:
所有区块链的关键技术专利基本都在nchain手里,相比之下,其他人的区块链专利基本都是过家家
All the key technology patents of blockchain are basically in the hands of nchain, in contrast, others’ blockchain patents are basically playing house

比特币张摩西:
区块链这个词,只有在BSV这里才会有效,其他所谓的什么牛逼技术,什么2.0,3.0,只是打打嘴炮罢了,徒有个花架子。
Blockchain is a word that only works in BSV. Other so-called awesome technologies, such as 2.0 and 3.0, are just a bunch of bullshit.

hslayj:
比特币和区块链是一个完整的生物,肢解开来各个组织,最后哪个组织都活不了。说白了诚实世界只能依靠诚实铸就,你不能说我可以凭借自己的身份或财富就能说谎,那些自以为能抛开比特币做区块链的人,本质只是想当国王而已。真正的诚实账本只有比特币bsv
Bitcoin and the blockchain are a whole organism, dismembered into separate groups that end up dead. To put it bluntly, the world of honesty can only be forged by honesty. You can’t say that I can lie by virtue of my identity or wealth. The only truly honest ledger is bitcoin BSV

hslayj:
把bsv当高风险高收益股票,能更好的面对市场的不确定性。
BSV as high - risk high - yield stocks, can better face the market uncertainty.

邱少贤:
对,目前还是高风险投资品
Yes, it’s still a risky investment

@ Away:
如果归零,币圈也归零了吧
If it goes to zero, it goes to zero

邱少贤:
币圈归零,世界不会
Circle zero, the world will not

邱少贤:
所以从这个角度来说,币圈归零似乎也没啥
So from this point of view, it doesn’t seem to matter if the circle goes to zero

hslayj:
bsv是币圈唯一可能不归零的币,其他币最后都会归零,包括btc
BSV is the only coin that may not return to zero. All other COINS will eventually return to zero, including BTC

@ Away:
区块链的发展代币不就是币吗
不可能区块链以后没有金融的繁衍品啦
Is not the development of block chain token money
It is impossible that there will be no financial reproduction after blockchain

hslayj:
有金融衍生品也是写在bsv上的,国家监管合法合规的金融衍生品,像现在的ico都是属于非法集资范畴,长远不了的
There are financial derivatives also written on BSV, the state supervision of legal compliance of financial derivatives, such as the current ico are illegal fund-raising category, long term

清风徐来:
当我们谈货币、金融的时候,很多人期望的是你能不能告诉我,该不该买黄金,该不该换美元,怎么分析股票,有没有牛市,买哪个债券……我觉得这些想法都没有错。但除此以外,我们还缺了一些东西,比如作为金融大鳄的索罗斯,他在全世界赚了很多钱,但他在赚钱之余,还思考了很高深的哲学问题,比如反身性原则,如何思考人性,如何和人性对着干,如何和市场的趋势对着干,他已经上升到了很高的层面。
When we talk about currencies and finance, a lot of people expect you to tell me whether I should buy gold, whether I should change dollars, how to analyze stocks, whether there is a bull market, which bonds to buy… I don’t think any of these ideas are wrong. But in addition to this, we still lack of something, such as the financial big crocodile soros, he made a lot of money all over the world, but he was to make money, also thought about it for a profound philosophical questions, such as the principle of reflexivity, how to think about the human nature, how to rule against human nature, how to rule against the trend of the market, he has risen to a high level.

清风徐来:
从思辨层面上讲,我们需要有人超越当下的应用,去思考其背后更深层的问题。我们不要总想着自己要为当下的事,提出什么政策建议,而是要思考真正的、根本性的大同题,比如什么是货币,货币的本质是什么,利率的本质是什么,为什么有利率……
At the speculative level, we need someone to go beyond the current application and think about the deeper issues behind it. Instead of thinking about what policy recommendations we should make for the present, we should think about the real, fundamental issues, such as what is money, what is the nature of money, what is the nature of interest rates, why there are interest rates…

hslayj:
任期制政府都很短视,只顾自己任期内的问题,债权式现代金融就是这种逻辑下的产物,先借了再说,还不还的上是后人的世,这么庞大的世界债务规模就是被这么一点点的经过几十年的积累释放出来的。一有问题,就是降息降准印钞票,总觉得印钞机是万能的,这样的经济不出问题才怪。看起来GDP在涨,股市在涨,资产在涨,其实都是印钞机的泡沫生态延续而已,股市跌一半儿和通胀涨一倍又有什么本质区别,那些所谓的政治精英整天都在干着这种掩耳盗铃的笑话。
Term governments are short-sighted and only think about the problems in their term of office. Modern debt finance is the product of this logic. The debt is borrowed first and then repaid later. Once there is a problem, is to cut interest rates to cut reserve requirement to print money, always feel that the printing press is omnipotent, such economic problems are not to blame. It seems that GDP is going up, the stock market is going up and the assets are going up. In fact, they are all the continuation of the bubble ecology of printing money. There is no essential difference between a half fall in the stock market and a double rise in inflation.

hslayj:
能够超越主权政府解决超越主权政府级困难的系统以前是没有的,以后的唯一可能就是人类文明的认知共同体,这个共同体靠什么战胜谎言、暴力、猜疑,只能是全世界的信用数据库,改造人类文明的底层逻辑才是区块链的最终目的,能看到这种可能性的人太少了。为什么豺狼和虎豹见面会用暴力,因为他们彼此都在害怕对方伤害自己,只能依赖先下手为强的暴力逻辑;为什么左手和右手不会相互伤害,因为他们都有一个彼此信任的大脑,而区块链就是人类文明的大脑,是人类战胜暴力侵害和政治互猜的终极解决方案。
Can solve a beyond the sovereign government office difficult beyond the sovereign government system is not before, after the only possible is the cognition of human civilization community, the community on what over lies, violence, suspicion, only is the world’s credit database, transforming the underlying logic of human civilization is the ultimate goal of chain blocks, so few people can see this possibility. Why jackals and tigers meet with violence, because they are afraid of each other to hurt themselves, can only rely on the violent logic of first strike; Why the left hand and the right hand don’t hurt each other, because they both have a brain that trusts each other, and the blockchain is the brain of human civilization, which is the ultimate solution for mankind to overcome violent aggression and political mutual guessing.

清风徐来:
真理如此单纯,只需要被"认出"。
Truth is so simple that it only needs to be recognized.

hslayj:
我希望大家能明白什么是零利率甚至负利率的本质,就是你借给别人钱,别人不需要给你利息,而你还需要担负通货膨胀成本和负利率成本,这样的世界中,每个人都会尽可能的借钱、举债,因为借钱和举债不再是风险,而是盈利,当一个社会把借债当作盈利利润的时候,整个金融体系的崩溃是迟早的,因为债务是指数型增长的,政府将无法辨别出良性债务和恶性债务,债务违约潮和通胀潮是政府唯一的两种选择,这就是我们即将面临的世界。
I hope everybody can understand what is the essence of zero or even negative interest rates, that you lend money, others don’t need to interest you, and you also need to bear the cost of inflation and negative interest rates cost, in this world, everyone will borrow money, borrow as much as possible, because borrowing and debt is no longer a risk, but a profit, when a society the borrowing as profit margins, the collapse of the financial system is sooner or later, because debt is exponential growth, the government debt will not be able to distinguish between benign and malignant debt, debt defaults and inflation tide is the government only two choices, this is what we will face the world.

hslayj:
有什么问题一起讨论一起进步吧,把问题讨论透才能让牛市有支撑,否则就会像btc那样,终归只能沦为海市蜃楼
What problems together to discuss progress together, to discuss the problem to make the bull market has support, or will be like BTC, will only become a mirage

今年应该还有3波利好,下个月减半,7月份郁金香解封,下半年纽约大会。牛市不来,没人愿意听逻辑的。
There should be three more waves of good news this year, halving next month, unsealing tulips in July, and the New York convention in the second half of the year. No bull market, no one wants to listen to logic.

hslayj:
郁金香的最主要作用是坐实CSW的中本聪身份,这让BSV的正统性有了解释力,如果BTC今年明年不能验证减半永远涨的币圈预期,后年基本就见不到它了
The most important role of tulip is to confirm the identity of CSW’s satoshi nakamoto, which makes the legitimacy of BSV has explanatory power

范厚瑾:
Bsv会消失吗?价格低,没人挖矿,会被攻击吗?会不会出现这样的问题?
Will Bsv disappear? Price is low, nobody digs, can be attacked? Will there be such a problem?

比特币张摩西:
你说的是BTC的逻辑,不是BSV
You’re talking about the logic of BTC, not BSV

范厚瑾:
bsv网络不是也崩溃了?两个币都是一样的算法,现在矿工挖bsv也是亏损,这样的区块链怎么维持?
Didn’t the BSV network crash too? Both COINS are the same algorithm, now miners mining BSV is also a loss, such a block chain how to maintain?

比特币张摩西:
BSV是有失败的可能性的,因为现在太脆弱,但是如果BSV都失败了,其他的早就消失了。BSV现在起码走的是对的路子
BSV has the possibility to fail because it is too fragile now, but if BSV fails, the others will disappear long ago. BSV is at least on the right track

hslayj:
算力跌倒低的话,确实可能彻底网络瘫痪,这也是BSV唯一可能的死亡方式。不过这个底是多少不好说,当初比特币1美元左右的时候也维持过很长一段时间。现在矿工挖矿亏是矿工的远期选择,其实如果矿工亏不起可以关矿机的,既然愿意亏损挖,说明BSV矿工还是看好后市的。
If the power falls low, the network may indeed be completely paralyzed, which is the only possible way for BSV to die. It’s hard to say how much this base is, but it was around $1 for a long time. Now miners mining loss is the miners’ long-term choice, in fact, if the miners can not afford to close the mining machine, since they are willing to lose money, it shows that BSV miners or optimistic about the future.

范厚瑾:
非常感谢🙏,受教了
Thank you very much 🙏, educated

比特币张摩西:
最开始没有算力的时候,博士不是自己挖了那么久
The doctor did not dig so long by himself when he had no power at first

范厚瑾:
应该是一个自然平衡的过程
It should be a natural balancing process

hslayj:
刚才说的不全面,BSV的死亡方式除了算力跌倒底后矿工没利润,还有可能面临政治问题,这也可能是死亡原因,其它情况我觉得都只能延缓BSV崛起,而不能阻止,包括现在CSW安全出意外,我觉得BSV都不会被干掉。
What I said just now is not comprehensive. BSV’s death mode is not only that the miners have no profit after their efforts fall to the bottom, but also that they may face political problems, which may also be the cause of death. In other cases, I think all of them can only delay the rise of BSV, but not prevent it.

比特币张摩西:
BSV拥抱监管,也没革谁的命
BSV embraced regulation, and no one was killed

hslayj:
是的,美国的国债危机,如果领导人有远见的话,解题的标准答案就是比特币,只是看哪个国家领导人先看到这个问题罢了。
Yes, the standard answer to the U.S. debt crisis, if the leader has a vision, is bitcoin, depending on which country’s leader sees the problem first.

hslayj:
这就和以前英国人率先发生工业革命于是引领世界当老大,美国人引领了半导体革命于是引领世界当老大,下一个世界老大一定是率先进行区块链革命的地区,文明的降维碾压式发展是地区竞争中最致命的。
This is the same as before, when the British took the lead in the industrial revolution and led the world as the leader, and the americans took the lead in the semiconductor revolution and led the world as the leader. The next leader in the world must be the region that takes the lead in the blockchain revolution.

比特币张摩西:
BSV必须在合法合规的情况下运作,一开始也是这么设计的。CSW站在上帝视角解读经济问题并设计出解决方案,就看哪个国家能最先意识到了
BSV has to operate legally and in compliance, and was designed to do so from the beginning. The CSW looks at economic problems from god’s perspective and designs solutions to see which countries are the first to recognise them

范厚瑾:
对区块链的理解更深入了
The understanding of blockchain is deeper

hslayj:
CSW也不是站在了上帝视角,只是它设计的这个东西的可能性实在是太大了,区块链如果上帝视角满分是100分,可能CSW也只理解了50分,其它人可能都只有0分或者个位数,因为区块链和各个领域的碰撞的可能性实在是太多太多了,就好像发明轮子的人也没有预见到汽车一个道理,神化CSW没必要,它确实是伟人,但是它也不一定知道所有事情,很多事情是需要商业试错和各个领域碰撞的。
CSW nor stood in the perspective of god, is it design the possibility of this thing is too big, block chain perspective if god full mark is 100 minutes, probably CSW also understand only 50 points, other people may have only 0 or single digits, because the chain of blocks and all areas of the possibility of collision is really too much, as if the invention of the wheel are not foreseen that car a truth, deified CSW don’t need, it is indeed a great man, but it does not necessarily know all the things, many things are need to commercial trial and error and collision in various fields.

比特币张摩西:
@范厚瑾 不要沉迷区块链,没有BSV的区块链狗屁不是,这些和区块链关系不大,BSV最迷人的设计不只有区块链,还是图灵完备的脚本,还是Metanet,以偏概全是不可能理解BSV的,我对BSV的理解也是九牛一毛,现在大部分人只知区块链,不知道BSV
@ Fan Houjin don’t block chain, no BSV block chain, nothing much relationship with these and chain blocks, is the most attractive BSV design not only block chain, or Turing complete script, or Metanet, biased is impossible to understand the BSV, my understanding of the BSV also is a drop in the bucket, now most people know only block chain, don’t know the BSV

hslayj:
是的,目前来看区块链唯一正确的打开方式就是BSV,除非哪一天BSV彻底死翘翘了,别的区块链才可能有机会,否则不管是专利上、正统性上、技术领先上,目前其它区块链都落后BSV整整一个时代。
Yes, at present, the only correct way to open blockchain is BSV. Unless BSV is completely dead one day, other blockchain may have a chance. Otherwise, no matter in terms of patent, legitimacy and technology, other blockchain lags behind BSV for a whole era.

hslayj:
区块链是一个真正意义上架构师支配世界的生态工具,硅谷逻辑和中国的快速迭代逻辑都不适合区块链。
Blockchain is a truly ecological tool for architects to dominate the world, and neither silicon valley nor the fast-iterating logic of China is suited to blockchain.

比特币张摩西:
罗总怎么看最近的1000老币的移动问题
What do you think about the recent movement of 1000 old COINS

hslayj:
单个事件无法评论,如果郁金香打开了,中本聪开始挪币了,这种老币移动问题会越来越多,都不是傻子,中本聪正主找到了,以前所有的诽谤都要重新看待了,世界上的所有从事区块链的组织和个人,都必须重新理解自己的比特币到底是怎么回事儿,BSV的万币归一万链归一的逻辑就可以发扬光大了,毕竟你知道一件事和让所有都知道一件事这中间的区别是很大的,BSV逻辑目前仅仅是极少数人知道而已。
A single event can’t comment, tulips are opened, if the hearing began to move in the currency, this old coin mobile problem will be more and more, all is not a fool, and in the hearing is found, all libel wanted to look at, before in the world of all the organizations and individuals engaged in block chain, must be to understand their own COINS exactly what happened, BSV of COINS to ten thousand chain to a logic can carry forward, after all, you know one thing, and let all know one thing among the difference is very big, BSV logic is currently only a handful of people know it.

hslayj:
等到真的到了那时候,币圈踩踏出逃,尤其是BTC踩踏出逃是很正常的,很多有业务逻辑的行业链也有可能平行移植进入BSV,那时候生态稳定了,BSV就算彻底盘活了,如果最后能走通政治关,基本后面就是康庄大道了。
When it comes to that time, it is quite normal for coinage to stampede out, especially for BTC to stampede out, and many industrial chains with business logic may be transplanted into BSV in parallel. Then the ecology will be stable, and BSV will be fully mobilized. If it can finally pass the political pass, there will be a prosperous road behind.

hslayj:
中本聪的真实身份其实才是区块链的最后一张拼图,而不是什么跨链逻辑、去中心化金融、万链齐发、数字黄金、币圈共识什么的。
The real identity of satoshi nakamoto is actually the last piece of jigsaw puzzle of the blockchain, rather than some cross-chain logic, decentralized finance, all the chain, digital gold, currency circle consensus and so on.

比特币张摩西:
就跟古代的传国玉玺一样,大家都认
Just like the ancient imperial seal, everyone recognized it

hslayj:
是的,去中心化的所有逻辑依据就是比特币白皮书,不按照比特币白皮书做的本质都是伪君妄图篡位而已。只有没有人能动的东西,才能作为共识。
Yes, all the logic of decentralization is the bitcoin white paper. Anything not done according to the bitcoin white paper is in essence an attempt to usurp the throne. Only what no one can move can be regarded as consensus.

别情:
你放心,即便证实博士是真本聪,一群有心人士一样会说中本聪技术老化过时,况且也不能证明是对的,要用发展的眼光看世界,山寨创新才是明天[呲牙]
You can rest assured that even if the doctor is confirmed to be true, a group of interested people will say that the technology of satoshi nakamoto is aging and outdated, and it cannot be proved to be right. We should look at the world from the perspective of development, and copycat innovation is the future

比特币张摩西:
跳梁小丑不值一提
The joker is nothing to write home about

hslayj:
等到真正的区块链应用落地了,就没其它人什么事了,事实是检验真理的唯一标准,下半年的医疗记录上链可以给很多行业做好典范,用的人多了,资本自然会有敏锐的嗅觉。
When the real blockchain application is implemented, there will be no one else to do anything. The fact is the only criterion to test the truth. In the second half of the year, the chain of medical records can set a good example for many industries.

别情:
罗总,未来eth改成pos了能不能争一争?
Luo, the future eth changed to pos can we fight?

比特币张摩西:
改成POS死的更快
Change to POS to die faster

hslayj:
eth没机会的,eth我从看他的第一眼就知道是垃圾,那时候我还不知道CSW是中本聪,也不知道BSV的万链归一逻辑,因为我知道我出手设计一套东西,都比eth强,eth只能骗骗外行,做个ICO也是传统传销网络化而已。
Eth has no chance, eth from the first look at him I know is garbage, at that time I did not know that CSW is nakamoto cong, also do not know BSV million chain logic, because I know my hand design a set of things, are better than eth, eth can only deceive laymen, do an ICO is a traditional pyramid selling network.

比特币张摩西:
这让小V情何以堪[捂脸][捂脸][捂脸]
This makes little V feel bad

hslayj:
ETH的架构设计太随意了,根本经不起推敲和细想,小V太年轻了,它根本不知道一个专业工程应该是怎么样的,无知者无畏罢了。
ETH’s architectural design is too arbitrary to stand up to scrutiny and scrutiny. V is too young to know what a professional project should be.

比特币张摩西:
大部分人都没理解为什么要Set in stone 
Most people don’t understand why Set in stone

别情:
那么之前eth上的那些项目怎么办?
What about the previous eth projects?

hslayj:
区块链是一个架构师工程,架构师底蕴不够,后期再改都是垃圾。
要么移植来BSV继续做,要么就归零呗。
Block chain is an architect project, the architect is not enough, the later change is garbage.
Either transplant to BSV to continue to do, or go to zero.

别情:
移植过来难吗?比如去中心化交易所这种能放bsv上面跑吗
Is it hard to transplant? Like the decentralized exchange can you run on BSV

hslayj:
不难的,BSV看成数据库,其它工程和传统软件工程是一样的。
It is not difficult, BSV as a database, other engineering and traditional software engineering is the same.

hslayj:
去中心化只有一个,那就是BSV比特币,其它的去中心化银行、去中心化交易所、去中心化卖场都是伪概念,世界只需要一个去中心化系统,也就是BSV,它构成了区块链的底层生态,其它的所有参与者都是中心化系统,他们需要参与生态竞争,去中心化是区块链项目中的最大谎言。
Decentralization is only one, that is, BSV COINS, decentralization of other Banks, decentralized exchange, decentralized stores are pseudo concept, the world needs only a decentralized system, namely BSV, it constitutes the underlying ecological chain blocks, other all participants are centralized system, they need to participate in ecological competition, decentralized block chain is the biggest lie.

金矿:
@hslayj 如果将来政府 甚至联合国 都看到了或者知道了 区块链的必要性。 那么有没有别的打开方式。还是只能从bsv开始
Hslayj if in the future governments and even the UN see or know the need for blockchain. So is there another way to open it? Again, we can only start with BSV

比特币张摩西:
没有其他打开方式
There is no other way to open it

别情:
还有匿名币发展趋势怎么样,我看现在也是活是好好的,btc未来会不会变成匿名币的一种
What is the development trend of anonymous currency? I think it is alive and well now. Will BTC become a kind of anonymous currency in the future

hslayj:
BSV不死,就没有别的打开形式,政府最多在BSV上进行分叉,最后可能会有BSV中国链、美国链什么的,不过我觉得最后能活下来的应该是BSV国际链,由全人类共同政府管理的那条,其它的政治利益进行干预的链可能会出现,不过最后应该会死。
BSV die, there is no other open forms, most governments in BSV bifurcate, finally may have BSV China chain, the chain of what, but I think the last survive should be BSV international chains, by the government management of the mankind, and other political interests to intervene chain may occur, but in the end should be die.

hslayj:
匿名币违反了国际反洗钱法,最后很难走远的,政府取缔很容易。
Anonymous currency violates international anti-money laundering laws. In the end, it is hard to go far.

hslayj:
区块链要求政治中立性,这点是非常重要的,因为诚实和政治本来就是两个领域。
Blockchain requires political neutrality, which is important because honesty and politics are two areas.

hslayj:
这次大跌我们应该能看到匿名币的问题了,因为匿名所以犯罪分子多,因为犯罪分子多就很难合法化,因为很难合法化,交易量就很小,遇到资本操盘根本没有抵抗力,所有参与者最后都会变成资本屠刀下的韭菜,所以区块链发扬光大、合法合规很重要。
The drop a problem we should see the anonymous currency, because anonymous criminals, because criminals are more difficult to legal, because it is hard to legalization, volume is small, and there is no resistance in capital operations, all participants finally will become the capital under the knife leeks, so it’s very important to block chain carry forward, legal compliance.

hslayj:
区块链的远期发展环境可能需要国际法和国际政治格局的全盘变化,这些变化是极度复杂和难以控制的,可能CSW都没有能力进行这方面的布局,现在考虑的,更多的是现在的应用能不能落地,BSV能不能活过下一个周期。
The long-term development environment of blockchain may require the overall changes of international law and international political pattern, which are extremely complex and difficult to control. CSW may not be able to carry out the layout in this aspect. Now, more considerations are given to whether the current application can be implemented and whether BSV can survive the next cycle.

Conversation : 2020.3.16~3.20 #

清风徐来:
用导致危机的原因来“治理”危机,这是凯恩斯主义经济学自诞生以来的一贯主张。昨晚美联储连续放出了三个刺激手段,降息、新一轮大规模量化宽松(QE)和货币互换。降息100基点直接下拉至0利率,7000亿购债、向海外提供美元流动性。刺激手段之狠,验证着危机的严重性和紧迫性。

数十年乃至百年来,政府都是用这种手法进行所谓的“救市”,其成效有时“有效”,有时无效。有效的时候是真的有效吗?不是。永远记住,人为放水刺激的方法是每一次金融危机乃至经济危机产生的根本原因,用危机产生的原因去“挽救”危机是极其荒诞的,“有效”的时候并不是政府消除了危机,而是危机本身还不算太严重,可以被政府的刺激手段推迟清算而已,但当下一个临界点到来之时终究还是逃脱不了的。

当危机发展到极其严重的地步时,央行无论怎么放水刺激也将会是徒劳和无效的,因为存在流动性陷阱。与此同时,央行本身的操作空间也会变得极其有效,比如现在美联储直接把利率将到了0,它就没空间了(负利率本质上就是零利率,它跟零利率是等效的)。

流动性陷阱会导致央行释放再多的流动性也无法有效注入市场,这些新增流动性始终在市场外徘徊。总之,你会发现,在巨大的危机面前,怎么挣扎都是无效的,始终难逃市场的清算,比如1929和2008。
To “manage” the crisis with the causes of the crisis is a consistent proposition of Keynesian economics since its birth. The fed last night unleashed three stimulus measures in a row: interest rate cuts, a new round of massive quantitative easing and currency swaps. We cut interest rates by 100 basis points and directly pulled them down to zero. We bought $700 billion of bonds and provided us dollar liquidity overseas. The severity and urgency of the crisis were demonstrated by the severity of the stimulus.

For decades and even centuries, the government has used this technique to carry out the so-called “rescue” of the market, the results of which are sometimes “effective”, sometimes ineffective. Does it really work when it works? It isn’t. Always remember, the method of artificial water stimulation is every time the fundamental cause of the financial crisis and economic crisis, the causes of the crisis to “save” the crisis is extremely ridiculous, “effective” is not the government to eliminate the crisis, but the crisis itself is not that bad, can be the government’s stimulus delay clearing, but the moment a tipping point came when they finally still cannot escape.

When the crisis gets very serious, no amount of central bank stimulus will be effective and futile, because there is a liquidity trap. At the same time, the central bank’s own room for manoeuvre can become extremely efficient. For example, now that the fed has pushed interest rates directly to zero, it has no room left.

Liquidity trap will lead to the central bank to release more liquidity can not be effectively injected into the market, the new liquidity is always hovering outside the market. In short, you will find that in the face of a huge crisis, no struggle is effective, always escape the market liquidation, such as 1929 and 2008.

清风徐来:
结论:

1. 美联储采取如此空前的刺激计划和手段,恰恰从反面说明当前危机的极度严重性。

2. 只要危机足够严重,美联储的刺激效果就会非常有限,可能不一定能再次推迟扭曲市场的清算,市场在短暂反应后,依然倒塌。

3. 全球性疫情大爆发已经是事实,只要疫情继续恶化,战线和时间周期拉的足够长,那么它对全球经济的钳制危害就越大,全球的生产供应链、消费市场、资金流都将受到重创,进一步拖累全球金融市场,抵消美联储的“救市”效果。

这不是一个孤立事件,而是一个多种变量事件。疫情对全球经济的影响,可能更会是一个多米诺式的效应,把长期被扭曲的市场内在结构性问题和深度紊乱以及不合理的信贷扩张导致的债务问题提前暴露出来,逼着全市场的机构和个人清算。

从目前看,疫情不太可能能在短时间内结束,海内外专家普遍比较悲观,甚至大多数人都可能无法避免被感染,在疫情的时间跨度上可能会大幅超出我们的预期。这给美联储刺激的有效性打上了一个大大的问号。

这次能通过人为刺激的手段推迟危机而避免被清算吗?我保持怀疑,接下来看金融市场会给出怎样的反应吧。注意,这个观察不是一天也不是两天,而是几个月的变化。从来没有哪一次危机的持续时间会只有几天几周,都是十几个月甚至几十个月起。需要密切观察和跟进。
Conclusion:

  1. The unprecedented stimulus program and measures adopted by the federal reserve illustrate the extreme seriousness of the current crisis from the opposite side.

  2. As long as the crisis is severe enough, the fed’s stimulus effect will be very limited, and may not be able to delay the liquidation of the market distortion again, the market still collapses after a short reaction.

  3. A global outbreak is already a reality, as long as the outbreak continues to worsen, front and cycle time is long enough, so it is harmful to the muzzle of the global economy, global manufacturing supply chain, the consumer market, capital will be hit hard, further drag on global financial markets, offset the effect of the fed’s “rescue”.

This is not an isolated event, but a multi-variable event. The impact of the outbreak on the global economy is likely to be more of a domino effect, bringing to light the underlying structural problems and deep dislocations in chronically distorted markets and the debt problems caused by irrational credit expansion, forcing the liquidation of institutions and individuals across the market.

At present, the outbreak is unlikely to end in a short time, and experts at home and abroad are generally pessimistic. Even most people may not be able to avoid being infected, and the time span of the outbreak may be much longer than we expected. That leaves a big question mark over the effectiveness of the fed’s stimulus.

Can artificial stimulus delay the crisis and avoid liquidation this time? I remain skeptical and will see how the financial markets react. Note that this observation is not one or two days, but a change over several months. There has never been a crisis that lasted only a few days or weeks, ten or even dozens of months. Requires close observation and follow-up.

清风徐来:
近期的历史下跌形成两种猜测,一种是因人类历史以来十三次疫情的经验以及疫情后半年资本市场平均收益率8.5%断定疫情很快被控制所以相信市场很快回暖,另一种因全球疫情大爆发更严重和国家人为刺激手段更证明金融迟早被清算对联动虚拟货币市场持有悲观态度。
Recent history fall formed two kinds of speculation, one is for the 13 times since the outbreak of human history experience and the second capital market average yield 8.5% decided that the outbreak of epidemic situation soon be controlled so that markets recover, soon another because of a global outbreak is more serious and the national human stimulus proved more financial sooner or later be liquidated hold a pessimistic attitude to linkage virtual currency market.

邱少贤:
“TheTimes 03/Jan/2009 Chancellor on brink of secondbailout for banks”,(2009年1月3日,财政大臣正处于实施第二轮银行紧急援助的边缘)

hslayj:
在任期制社会中,一个领袖上台了,发现账面欠款100万,你说他会怎么做,他会还这100万么?不会的,因为他需要政绩来向把他送上台的人证明他的能力,而政绩是需要钱的,他的最理性做法就是继续借钱,用新债还旧债,再用多余的钱来发展经济、落实上任承诺和政治理想,他唯一不会选的就是立马还钱,而人们也不认为政府债务会违约,所以会持续不断的有人去给政府送钱,这个世界的债务泡沫就是这么起来的。当政府债务尾大不掉,借债能力甚至无法偿还旧债利息的时候,就是这个体系自然瓦解的时候,如果这个时候这个领导人还能影响央行印钞机,他就会要求央行进一步印钞,用印钞速度战胜债务扩张速度,但是债务扩张是指数级别的,印钞速度真的也能指数级发展么?
In term society, a leader comes to power and finds that he owes $1 million on paper. What do you think he will do? Will he pay back $1 million? Won’t, because he needs to prove to his office one of his ability, and achievement is need the money, he’s the most rational approach is to continue to borrow money, use new debt is debt, then use the extra money to develop the economy, carry out his commitment and political ideal, the only thing he never choose is also money immediately, and people don’t think government debt default, so will continuously someone to send money to the government, that’s what this world debt bubble. Tail “too big to fail when the government debt, debt capacity or even unable to pay interest on debt, this is the system of natural collapse, if this time the leader can also affect the central bank’s printing presses, he will be for central Banks to print money, further using the printing speed over debt expansion speed, but is the index level of debt expansion, print speed really can also exponential development?

hslayj:
以前西方有种治病方法叫做放血疗法,就是生病了就放血,然后治好了就是放血疗法很有用,没治好就加大放血力度,最后如果死亡了那是病太重了,和放血没关系,美国的开国领袖乔治华盛顿就是这么死的,凯恩斯主义带来的央行调控本质其实就是现代经济学中的放血疗法。
Before the cure method called bloodletting therapy, the west is bleeding was sick, and healed bloodletting therapy is useful, no cure will intensify bloodletting, finally if death is the disease is too heavy to bleed and it doesn’t matter, America’s founding leader, George Washington is so of the die, the Keynesian bring nature of the central bank regulation is actually bloodletting therapy in modern economics.

比特币张摩西:
道指开盘就直接熔断了[捂脸][捂脸][捂脸]
The dow just blew off at the opening. [facemask] [facemask] [facemask]

hslayj:
美联储这次油门已经一脚踩到底了,零利率加量化宽松,就这还止不住熔断,接下来能用的只有降准和量化宽松了,不管是怎么做,大规模通胀是跑不了了。
The fed’s foot is already on the gas pedal this time. Zero interest rate plus quantitative easing will not stop the circuit breaker.

曹远铖:
如果疫情两个月内控制住,全球经济整个环境大概需要多久可以回到疫情前的水准。
半年  2年 5年?   大概率会是多久
If the outbreak is contained within two months, how long will it take for the global economy to return to pre-epidemic levels?
Half a year, two years, five years? The probability is how long

hslayj:
这个问题不好回答,我想也很难有人有标准答案,不过按照我的视角来说,这次的经济危机可能是灾难性的危机,可能类似于上个世纪的大萧条,这是一次系统性的经济崩溃灾难,因为国家已经没有债务能力和信用能力来为坏账买单了。其实像2008年次贷危机那样的情况,最后的经济恶果并不是被解决了,而是通过国有化和债务扩张手段给埋起来了,央行政策很多时候类似于打封闭,但是如果一个人整天都在打封闭,那离瘫痪也不远了。这是我的观点,不一定对,也有可能这次的危机和2008年那次一样也能被政府再次埋起来,但是总有一天这些隐患会来个彻底的大破坏。
I answer this question, I think it is hard to someone have a standard answer, but in my view, the economic crisis could be disastrous, may be similar to the last century’s great depression, it is a systemic economic collapse disaster, because the country has no debt and credit ability for bad loans. In fact, as in the case of the subprime crisis in 2008, the final economic consequences are not solved, but buried through nationalization and debt expansion. This is my opinion, not necessarily right, and it is possible that this crisis, like the one in 2008, could be buried by the government again, but one day these risks will be completely destroyed.

清风徐来:
赞成,央行用导致危机的原因去解决危机,这在根本上是永远不可能实现的,所以商业周期和金融/经济危机总是循环上演。

央行政策失效的根本原因是流动性它并不是无限效用的,到了一个边际临界点就不再起作用。与此同时,央行本身的操作空间也是有天花板的,这两点决定了央行只能将危机拖延一段时间,而不可能永久拖延,所以危机和清算一定会爆发,无非是时间问题。
Yes, central Banks are fundamentally never going to be able to solve the crisis with the causes of the crisis, so the business cycle and the financial/economic crisis are always recurring.

The fundamental reason for the failure of central bank policy is that liquidity is not of infinite utility, and at a marginal point it ceases to function. At the same time, the central bank itself has a ceiling of operating space, which determines that the central bank can only delay the crisis for a period of time, but not forever, so the crisis and liquidation will definitely break out, it is just a matter of time.

hslayj:
新冠疫情只是导火索,埋藏在经济底层的炸弹才是经济崩溃的真正原因。
The new outbreak is only the trigger, the bomb buried in the bottom of the economy is the real cause of the economic collapse.

清风徐来:
是的,货币长期超发,该来的总会来。
Yes, the currency has been overextended for a long time.

hslayj:
目前各国的央行基本处于一种囚徒困境的纳什均衡态上,其它央行印钱自己不印,自己国家的汇率上涨会带来出口滞销产业链受损,所以基本就是互相比着印钱,比较像商场里面的价格战,只要有人开始,其它人只能跟随,指望靠一个国家的政治觉醒来完成这种博弈均衡的改变,是不现实的。
Basic in a prisoner’s dilemma central Banks are now on the Nash equilibrium of other central Banks to print money they don’t print, rise in his country’s exchange rate will bring export unsalable industry chain is damaged, so the basic is to each other than printing money, more like the inside of the store price war, as long as someone, other people can only follow, relying on a country’s political awakening to complete the change of this kind of game equilibrium, it is not realistic.

hslayj:
这也是现代法币体系的另外一个问题,谁都知道印钞不好,但是为了争取更有力的国际贸易生态位,又都只能比着印钱,最后其实是多输局面,最吃亏的其实还是老百姓,投资什么都是泡沫,手里的钱还在缩水。
This is another problem of the modern legal currency system. Everyone knows that printing money is not good, but in order to strive for a more powerful international trade niche, they can only print money, and in the end, it is the situation of losing more money. The people who suffer the most are actually the people.

清风徐来:
怎么对冲疫情和经济下行呢
How to hedge against disease and economic downturn

然:
每次危机都会由科技革命这个变量来带动发展,然后进去下一个经历周期,这轮危机的变量显而易见就是区块链!至于要经历多长时间,在于区块链技术合适才能真正爆发。
Each crisis will be driven by the scientific and technological revolution this variable to develop, and then go to the next cycle of experience, this round of crisis variable is obviously blockchain! As for how long it will take, it depends on the right blockchain technology to really explode.

hslayj:
解决囚徒困境的最好方式就是在更高维度有个利益体能形成囚徒联盟,以前超越主权国家的组织只有联合国,但是联合国现在这个样子基本是没什么实权的,就是个扯皮的地方,以后的话我还是倾向于在BSV真正落地合法了,区块链层面有个国家联盟的价值共同体,或者叫区块链国际委员会什么的,如果国际贸易用BSV结算,基本这种法币的囚徒困境就会有很好的平衡方案。
Is the best way to solve the prisoner’s dilemma in the higher dimensions there is a benefit of physical form the prisoner’s alliance, surpass the sovereign countries only the United Nations, but the United Nations like this basic is essentially toothless, is where a kop, later, I still tend to legally in BSV really fall to the ground, block has a national alliance value chain level community, or block chain international committee or something, if with BSV international trade settlement, the basic legal tender of the prisoner’s dilemma will have a good balance.

然:
如果一定要加一个期限,我想是五年
If there had to be a deadline, I’d say five years

hslayj:
对冲疫情和经济下行具体有什么方法不好说,因为如果说要囤积黄金或其它资产什么的,其实本身也有风险,比如国家的金融管制、财务没收什么的,经济崩溃的话,国家什么事情其实都做得出来的,有财产甚至可能都是罪过
What are the specific ways to hedge against the epidemic and the economic downturn? It is hard to say, because if you want to hoard gold or other assets, there is also the risk itself, such as the country’s financial regulation, financial confiscation, economic collapse, the country can do anything, property may even be a crime

hslayj:
可以参考一下犹太人或者之前解放后的地主的命运。
经济规律和政治规律本来就是截然相反的,经济规律注定了财富会有马太效应被少数人占有大部分财富,而政治规律是要实现所有人的均权理想,这两种世界观是注定互相碰撞的,问题是我们怎么样可以既照顾穷人的利益,让社会稳定,又照顾富人的利益,让社会进步,这个问题迄今为止都没有完美的答案,是一个值得继续追逐真相的领域。
Consider the fate of the jews or of the former liberated landowners.
Economic law and political law is the opposite, economic law determines the wealth Matthew effect would have been a few people occupies most of the wealth, and political law is to realize all human rights ideal, the two world view is destined to collide with each other, the question is how we can take care of the poor, to social stability, and take care of the interests of the rich, make social progress, so far there is no perfect answer, the problem is a field worth continue to pursue the truth.

hslayj:
法币的结局可以一眼看到头的,如果我是特朗普,我会囤积BSV,然后发行新数字美元,数字美元与BSV挂钩,与传统美元不相关,两种美元可以进行市场价格互换,因为BSV本身的产量有限,所以新数字美元的发行量短期就有产量限制,就有基本的新体系信用,而传统美金可以继续按照传统方式运营,这样传统美金崩了,新数字美金起来了,其实完成了信用体系的借尸还魂,法币债务因为全部寄生在传统美金上,当还魂成功的时候,美国就没有债务烦恼了,不知道美国人会不会想到这一层。
Fiat end can see all, if I am a trump, I will hoard BSV, then issue new digital, digital dollar pegged to the BSV, with traditional were not associated with the dollar, two dollars can swap market price, because the output of the BSV itself is limited, so the circulation of new digital dollars short-term yield limit, there is the basic system of the new credit, while traditional usd may continue to operate in the traditional way, so traditional dollar collapse, new digital dollars, actually completed the credit system of rebirthing, fiat debt because all parasitic on traditional dollars, when back to succeed, The United States would be debt-free. I wonder if americans would even think of that.

hslayj:
这是一个价值20万亿美金的点子,不过可能只能够两到三个大国用一用,BSV价格就会到天上去,这也是定性新世纪大国的分水岭,其它国家要用这个点子可能会有一些问题,因为会被美国干涉,其它国家要用的话,还需要尽可能团结更多的国际力量才行。
This is a $20 trillion worth of ideas, but maybe she can only use two to three great powers, BSV price will into the sky, it is also a qualitative watershed of power in the new century, other countries want to use this idea may have some problem, because will be the United States of meddling in other countries want to use, also need to unite more international forces as much as possible.

荣哥理财师:
太早期了,bsv基础设施都还没做好@hslayj 
Too early, the BSV infrastructure wasn’t ready

hslayj:
是的,如果是其它国家可能这是个问题,如果是美国这就不是问题,美国一旦愿意完成范式转移,基础设施都是顺便的事情,BSV的地位可能会像现在美债那样,具有巨大的流动性和储存性,像BTC那样的崩盘基本就很难了。
Yes, if it’s some other country maybe this is a problem, if it’s the United States it’s not a problem, once the United States is willing to complete the paradigm shift, the infrastructure is all by the way, BSV’s position could be as liquid and stockpiling as us debt is now, and a btc-like collapse is basically difficult.

hslayj:
区块链不是美元的竞品,而是美元的拯救者,在这个模型中,其实很多时候只要想明白了,就可以做到共赢,传统体系不用怕崩溃,新体系不用怕打压,美国也有巨大的行动动机诱惑。
Block chain is not a competitive product of the us dollar, but a saviour of the us dollar. In this model, in many cases, as long as you think clearly, you can achieve a win-win situation. The traditional system does not need to be afraid of collapse, the new system does not need to be afraid of suppression, and the us has a huge incentive to act.

hslayj:
法币本质是权力信用,区块链本质是公正信用,当权力不可信时,引入公正信用是历史上各个时期统治者的做法,不同于其它金属货币的是,区块链作为公正信用载体,目前来说区块链中能做到永续模型的只有BSV,区块链模型要求万币归一、万链归一完成生态对基础设施的反哺和滋养,使得区块链基础设施有很好的进化动力,而目前来说该模型的成本相对国家来说几乎可以忽略不计,这才有昨天那种谋略施展的可能性,而且新体系的搭建成本非常低,旧体系仍然可以持续运转让美国继续收所谓的铸币税,而旧体系真的坍塌那一天,国家的信用体系已经完成了完整的金蝉脱壳,这整个过程需要现在的天时、地利、人和,换一个历史时期,这个计策可能就不好使了,或者成本会非常非常高。
Fiat is essentially a credit power, nature is fair credit block chain, when the power is not credible, the introduction of fair credit is the practice of various periods in the history of the ruler, is different from other metal currency, as a carrier for justice credit block chain for now block chain can be sustainable only BSV model, block chain model requires all COINS to a chain, to a complete feedback and nourishing of ecological infrastructure, makes the block chain infrastructure has good dynamic evolution, and the cost of the model is relatively country almost negligible, it is yesterday that counsel, the possibility of And the construction of the new system cost is very low, the old system can still be running for the United States to continue to accept the so-called seigniorage, the old system collapse really that one day, the country’s credit system has completed the full might need now this whole process, geographical and human conditions at present, in a period of history, the plan may not make, or the cost would be very, very high.

hslayj:
比特币需要使用性被市场验证,才能完成系统的永续性逻辑,不被使用的比特币没有链上流动性,随便几个大户就能把市场砸穿。一万亿的资金池子可能几十亿卖盘就腰斩了,所以链上生态才是比特币的成功关键,当bsv逻辑被广为流传的时候,就是区块链真正进入爆发的时候
Bitcoin needs to be verified by the market in order to complete the sustainable logic of the system. Bitcoin that is not used has no liquidity in the chain, and just a few large players can break through the market. A trillion pools of money can be cut in half by a few billion sales, so ecology on the chain is the key to bitcoin’s success. When the BSV logic is widely circulated, it is when the blockchain really breaks out

hslayj:
在一个无通胀社会中,根本不需要有这种集中式的养老金账户,每个人存钱给自己养老就行了,国家只要负责穷人的保障就行了,自己的钱自己花最有效率,在通胀环境中,人们不得不被迫进行养老金投资,自己的钱让别人帮着花,让本不应该承受市场风险的人站在了风险的前端,现代养老金制度本质就是一个庞氏,当后续资金无法跟上或者养老基金亏损的时候,这个局面就崩了,最后要么就是延迟退休,要么就是晚年凄凉,当传统信用崩塌的时候,人们根本就不知道还有什么是值得相信的。
In a society without inflation, don’t need to have this kind of centralized pension accounts, everyone have to do is save money for his pension, countries just responsible for the security of the poor, their own money oneself flower the most efficient, the inflation environment, people are forced to make pension investment, let others help to spend their own money, people should not have to bear the market risk on the front end of the risk, nature is a ponzi modern pension system, when the follow-up funds cannot keep up with or pension fund losses, the situation will collapse, finally or delay retirement, or later life miserable, when traditional credit collapse, People don’t know what else to believe.

hslayj:
这就是为什么区块链有价值,人类在权力信用外,非常需要一个不受人物、公司、国家、政策影响的公正信用体系,使人们不被经济裹挟、不被政治代表、不被强权绑架。
This is why blockchain is valuable. Besides the power and credit, human beings need a just credit system that is not influenced by people, companies, countries and policies, so that people are not bound by the economy, political representatives or kidnapped by powerful forces.

清风徐来:
嗯,权利控制下的金融体系已经没有信用可谈,我们近些年总在讲全球化,其实说到底是因为人类的融合,合作共赢是一个必然的趋势,虽然特朗普等人想要逆全球化,从长远,整体上来看,只是历史插曲中的一个小回流,人类是命运共同体,不以个人意志为转移,区块链真的很有价值,但现在实践往前能走在哪一步,怎么走,都是未知,不过有生之年,我保持乐观态度,BSV的架构完美,真心希望能不断完善每一环的合作代表区块链完成一次人类文明的升级。
Well, right under the control of the financial system has no credit to talk about, we are always talking about globalization in recent years, in fact, at the end of the day because the human fusion, win-win cooperation is an inevitable trend, while the trump and others want to reverse the globalization, in the long run, the overall point of view, is just a small episode in the history of reflux, human is the community of fate, not transfer to personal will, block chain are really valuable, but practice where you could walk a step forward now, how to get, is unknown, but lifetime, I remain optimistic attitude, BSV architecture is perfect, I sincerely hope to continuously improve each link of the cooperation on behalf of the blockchain to complete an upgrade of human civilization.

hslayj:
对BSV生态成熟我还是蛮乐观的,目前市面上所有的行业链、联盟链在BSV正本清源之后都是BSV的生态基础和行业逻辑基础,比如沃尔玛的供应链生态他们自己做肯定会遇到很多问题,他们的产业链能不能给竞争对手用,能不能进行行业规范的扩展,能不能形成全球标准,如果使自己做,这些都是问题,如果拿到BSV这些其实就都不是问题了,BSV的最大价值就是终结了区块链的底层结构之争,让人们可以用一套统一的标准来做区块链,并且所有的区块链应用只要做的足够好,都能产生非常大的网络效应,诞生出几个巨头企业是很容易的。
Of BSV ecological mature I’m still pretty optimistic, currently on the market all of the industry chain, chain in BSV after radical are BSV ecological basis and logical foundation industry, such as wal-mart’s supply chain ecosystem to do their own will always have a lot of problems, they can rival with the industry chain, can for the expansion of the industry standard, can form a global standard, if make oneself do, these are the problems, if these are not actually get the BSV questions, BSV maximum value is the end of the underlying structure of chain blocks, let people can use a uniform standard for chain blocks, And as long as all blockchain applications are done well enough, they can generate very large network effects, and it is easy to produce several giant enterprises.

hslayj:
现代的软件工程科学已经十分完善了,区块链所需要运用的所有软件组件,其实都已经有了非常成熟的解决方案,只是看什么时候这些方案会应用起来而已,比如说,如果上链逻辑是必备的,那么对于微博来说其实无非就是加一个上链按钮而已,如果个人数据库是每个人的生活刚需,可能微信只要加一个这种数据接口集合就可以了,这种转变在行业的方法论成熟和广为流传后,会变得很迅速。
Modern software engineering science has very perfect, block chain need to use all the software components that are actually there has been a very mature solution, just see what time these solutions are applied together, for example, if the chain is essential on logic, so for weibo only add button on a chain, if just need personal database is everyone’s life, may WeChat just add a collection of the data interface, the shift after the methodology of mature and widely circulated in the industry, will become very quickly.

比特币张摩西:
有一家公司带头就能搞好了
One company can do it well

hslayj:
是的,BSV需要一波牛市带来的广泛关注、广泛探讨,BSV逻辑一旦流行,各行各业的专家都会为整个生态建设添砖加瓦。BTC的问题就是底层方法论有问题,问题解决之前就被广为流传了,然后就是各种误解带来的后生态灾难。
Yes, BSV needs the extensive attention and discussion brought by a bull market. Once BSV logic prevails, experts from all walks of life will contribute to the whole ecological construction. The problem with BTC is that there is a problem with the underlying methodology, that it has been widely circulated before the problem is solved, and then there is the post-ecological disaster caused by various misconceptions.

清风徐来:
嗯,现在全球金融环境萧条,投资者投机者资产大幅缩水,都需要一波牛市振奋人心。
Well, now that the global financial environment is depressed, investors and speculators are losing a lot of money, they need a bull market to cheer them up.

荣哥理财师:
Bsv最需要一个惊艳的产品,而不是一波牛市
Bsv needs a blockbuster product more than a bull market

hslayj:
惊艳的产品是长期打磨出来的,在产品的模型出来之后,还没有到惊艳这个阶段,资本就闻风而动了,所以惊艳的产品是和BSV牛市结伴出现的,可以参考没有盈利前的京东、阿里、谷歌等等,这其实也是先有鸡还是先有蛋的问题。
Amazing product is smoothed out over a long period of time, after the model of the product out, haven’t to this stage, capital is hungry, so amazing product is and the BSV occur together in the bull market, you can refer to no profit before the jingdong, ali, Google, etc., it is also the problem of the chicken or the egg came first.

荣哥理财师:
也对,没有资本的投入,很难出惊艳的产品
And yes, without capital investment, it’s hard to make amazing products

hslayj:
务实是个好事情,BSV目前是婴儿阶段,其实主要是瞄准 它的未来潜力,目前来说,它现在仍然是随时会死的,就好像一个刚出生的老虎很脆弱,不能和牛羊比速度和力量,但是成年的老虎是森林之王,BSV目前就是这个小老虎。
Being pragmatic is a good thing. BSV is currently in the infant stage, which is mainly aimed at its future potential. At present, it is still ready to die.

hslayj:
爆发需要各个方面条件的成熟,互联网刚出来的时候,人们觉得它也没啥用。
按照最悲观估计,如果郁金香不解封、减半没行情、美国不买账,BSV生态应该还能支撑8-12年,部分矿工关机影响不了行业大势的,无非就是算力降一些。
When the Internet came out, people didn’t think it was useful.
At best, the BSV ecosystem should last for another 8-12 years if tulips are not unblocked, cut in half and the U.S. doesn’t buy it. The shutdown of some miners won’t affect the industry’s overall trend, but only a bit.

hslayj:
是的,CSW的中本聪身份至关重要,这是让一般区块链从业者正视BSV的最直观理由,否则别人不会了解BSV的逻辑,刚才那种无脑喷的人会很多。
Yes, the satoshi nakamoto identity of CSW is crucial, which is the most intuitive reason for general blockchain practitioners to face up to BSV, otherwise others will not understand the logic of BSV, just that kind of brainless people will be many.

hslayj:
要把BSV整个体系学明白,是需要花很多精力和时间的,没有足够的动机,很容易就人云亦云了,而且CSW目前还普遍被大家认为是骗子。
It takes a lot of effort and time to understand the whole BSV system. Without enough motivation, it is easy to follow others’ lead, and CSW is still widely regarded as a fraud.

清风徐来:
嗯,我在学习BSV的时候受惠于老罗的见解和认知,得知他被举报,愤愤不平而建立此群,群里除了币圈优秀的同行者外,还有实体做的很优秀的企业家,他们关注区块链的未来,聚于此群大家一起交流,刚刚这一场沟通我之所以包容是因为进来很多新朋友,他们和市场上大多数人一样,认为博士是骗子,这中间的转化需要一个系统的学习过程,我看着老罗费心的讲解感同身受那种愤怒,下次遇到这种交流方式都是杠的,会直接踢。
Well, when I was learning BSV benefit from old ideas and knowledge, learned that he was to report, resentful and set up this group, group besides COINS ring good companions, and entity do excellent entrepreneurs, they focus on block chain in the future, in this group of people together to communicate, just that a communication inclusive because I come in a lot of new friends, they are like most people on the market, think doctor is a liar, there need a system of learning process, I look at the old bother to explain empathy that anger, next time meet this kind of communication are poles, can play directly.

王超蔚:
总的来说应该就是bch分叉那波给币圈带来的动荡导致的,一点不去思考的人就会对csw印象不好。因为当时信大区块扩容,就是那时候我留了bsv,手里有币才会去找csw资料看看,至少csw表达的一套套的,没见过这么能的“骗子”吧
The general idea is that BCH bifurcated that wave of turbulence to the coinage, and people who don’t think about it at all are going to have a bad impression of CSW. Because at that time the letter large block expansion, is that time I left BSV, in hand money will go to see CSW data, at least CSW expressed a set of, never seen such a "liar”

@所有人
新入群的朋友可以从以下渠道了解BSV:
①博士的博客www.craigwright.net
②重返创世纪https://metanet.press
③公众号:BSVofficial
④公众号:邱少闲聊Metanet

每个人对BSV的认知层面不同,有问题都可以发在群里,大家交流学习,共同成长。这里要特别感谢hslayj的无私分享,为越来越多的朋友答疑解惑[咖啡][玫瑰]。

我们本着对BSV的认知提升和对人类文明升级的期待建立此群共同交流学习,群内有深入了解BSV生态体系的布道者,有实体做的非常成功的企业家和主流媒体记者以及各行业优秀的朋友,群内真诚高效的交流是币圈难能可贵的一片净土,希望大家一起守护[拥抱]。

本群建议成员独立思考,需要明确自负盈亏原则,BSV目前仍然是高风险产品,决策需谨慎。本群禁止谈论市场短期价格,禁止讨论杠杆合约贷款投资等高风险操作建议,禁止对其它成员进行诽谤和人身攻击,一次警告无效后,管理员会送飞机票,谢谢大家一起维护本群学习与成长的讨论氛围。
New friends can learn about BSV from the following channels:
The doctor’s blog at www.craigwright.net
Ii return to genesis https://metanet.press
Official :BSVofficial
Public number: qiu shao chat Metanet

Everyone has different cognition of BSV, so any problem can be sent to the group, so that we can communicate and learn and grow together. Special thanks to hslayj for his selfless sharing and answering questions for more and more friends [coffee] [rose].

We in line with the cognition of BSV enhance and upgrade of human civilization are looking forward to establish this study group of mutual exchange, group has a deep understanding of the preacher of BSV ecological system, has entity do very successful entrepreneurs and the mainstream media reporter industry as well as the good friend, sincere and efficient communication in the group is coin ring valuable a piece of pure land, hope everyone together to protect [hug].

This group suggests that members should think independently and make clear the principle of self-financing. BSV is still a high-risk product at present, so the decision should be cautious. This group is not allowed to talk about short-term market prices, is not allowed to discuss leverage contract loan investment and other high-risk operation Suggestions, is not allowed to slander other members and personal attacks, after a warning is invalid, the administrator will send the plane tickets, thank you to maintain the group learning and growth discussion atmosphere.

hslayj:
BSV确实是万链归一、万币归一的逻辑,但是不能把所有区块链从业者都一棒子打死了,在BSV真正被大众接受之前,很多人看不惯ETH逻辑,BTC本身又不扩容,很多从业者都是被迫进行私有链开发的,以后这批人是BSV的第一批友军,是我们需要团结和说服的对象,很多人的本意也是为了行业的进步做贡献,要区分BTC、BCH开发者的骗子身份和普通行业从业者的开发者身份,确实不能一竿子打死一船人,很多行业链自带产业逻辑,自带政策、自带利润,链下逻辑搞好了,以后搬来BSV就可以直接用了。
BSV is really belong to a chain, currency to a logical, but not a bonzi killed all block chain practitioners, before BSV really accepted by the public, many people don’t like the ETH logic, BTC itself does not increase, many practitioners are forced to private chain development, after this group of people is the first batch of BSV friendly, is that we need to unite and convince the object, a lot of people’s original intention is to contribute to the progress of the industry, to distinguish between the BTC, BCH developer identity fraud and ordinary industry identity, can’t really killed a pole a boat people, A lot of industry chain brings its own industry logic, bring its own policy, bring its own profit, the logic under the chain is done well, later move to BSV can be used directly.

hslayj:
我记得之前暗黑1和沙丘魔堡出来的时候,当时国内有很多人组局域网来玩游戏,同样也很好玩,但是后来互联网游戏出来以后,局域网的游戏基本搬到互联网就直接用了,效果也很好,当时还出了个中国首富陈天桥。所以BSV和行业链的关系就像互联网和局域网的关系差不多,后者的发展其实是为前者服务的,当BSV足够成熟、足够为大众所知的时候,万链归一就不仅仅是一句口号,而是真正的一下子就可以应用到具体的场景中去,形成巨大的规模效应,对传统产业快速完成降维打击,这不是仅仅靠BSV就能完成的,行业链开发者才是这种生态碾压的先锋军。
I remember before diablo 1 and sandhill magic castle came out, at that time, there were a lot of people group LAN to play the game, also very fun, but later after the Internet game came out, the LAN game basically moved to the Internet directly used, the effect is also very good, at that time also a Chinese richest man Chen tianqiao. So BSV relationship with industry chain as the relationship between the Internet and LAN, the latter is the development of service for the former, when the BSV mature enough, enough is known, all is belong to a chain is not only a slogan, but the real can be applied to the specific scene immediately, a huge scale effect, the traditional industry fast finish dimension reduction, this is not only the BSV can finish, industry chain is the ecological rolling vanguard of developers.

文俊:
对啊,能拉相关的人员进群了解就最好了,无论对BSV或者走错跑道的他们
Yeah, it would be nice to get the people involved in the group to know them, whether they are on the BSV or on the wrong track

hslayj:
现在阿里、腾讯、沃尔玛、政府这种大组织,基本都在搞自己的行业链,除了少数政府链可能有政治安全的考虑之外,几乎所有行业链都难逃信息孤岛、行业标准化难以推行、补贴消失后链生态枯萎这三条命运,所以选择最成熟公链是行业链几乎无法避免的最后选择,而他们真正带来的数据、产业逻辑、线下动员能力其实给BSV生态带来了巨大的进化可能性,他们天然就是BSV的预备役。
Ali, tencent, wal-mart, now the government of the big organization, basic it in their own industry chain, in addition to the chain of a minority government may have political and security considerations, almost all industry chain from information island, industry standardization is difficult to implement, subsidies to disappear after ecological chain wither these three fate, so we chose the most mature male chain is almost impossible to avoid the final choice of industry chain, and they brought by the real data, the industrial logic, offline mobilization ability to actually BSV ecological evolution brought huge possibilities, their natural reserve is the BSV.

hslayj:
csw想要胜诉的最直接方式就是承认自己不是中本聪,然后所有的证据必须由原告提供了,原告其实啥都没有,所有的法庭证据都是csw提供的。

谁是中本聪其实很简单,就是谁对比特币理解最深,CSW这种天才可不是满大街随便抓一个就是的,弱者喜欢进行有罪推定,你只有强到一定程度,你才能一眼识别真正的强者是什么样。
The most straightforward way for CSW to win is to admit that it is not satoshi nakamoto, and then all the evidence has to be provided by the plaintiff, who has nothing, all the forensic evidence is provided by CSW.

Who is satoshi nakamoto is simply the one who understands bitcoin the most. CSW is not a genius who can just grab anyone on the street. The weak like to be presumed guilty.

曾健:
我就想不通了,一句话就是不承认自己是中本聪多好,什么都不少,想干啥干啥,承认自己是魔鬼,是天使,洗都洗不清
I think impassable, a word is not to admit that he is satoshi nakamoto more good, what many, want to do what do what, admit that he is the devil, is an angel, wash wash not clear

hslayj:
BTC不是永续模型,即使大家把BSV和CSW干死了,BTC也有一天会彻底崩塌,这和谁是中本聪没关系,仅仅因为技术原因就可以让BTC自然枯萎,所以才说CSW出面重新拯救了比特币和区块链,也只有这种自身利益的高度牺牲,才能真正凝结出最强的信任。

(转)赵盛烨:商票融资,以往美联储没钱了,就通过发债,然后印美元,保持美元和美债的比例关系,让美元持续稳定,而这需要繁琐的决策过程和评估过程,不但有财政部、国务院、商业银行等等机构参与实施,还需要考虑世界各国央行的态度,数据是公开透明可计算不能造假的。而商业票据融资则不同,联邦储备银行直接售卖白条,这白条是线下销售、不受监管的,刚刚也说过融资能力有限,那么既然别人查不到,联邦储备银行就完全可以在不发国债的情况下直接给自己的账户敲入一个想要的数字,比如十万亿美元,然后转给基金和其他商业银行。没错,强盗行为,钱都不用印了,还没人知道!
BTC is not a sustainable model, even if you put the BSV and CSW dry dead, BTC also will one day be thoroughly collapse, it has nothing to do and who is in the hearing, just because of technical reasons can let BTC natural withering, so to say CSW stepped in to save the COINS and chain block, and only the self-interest of highly sacrifice, can truly setting out the strongest trust.

(turn) Zhao Shengye: business financing, the fed broke, with debt, and then printing dollars, to keep the dollar and the debt ratio relations, to keep the dollar stable, and this requires cumbersome decision-making process and the evaluation process, not only has the Ministry of Finance and the State Council, commercial Banks, and so on institutions involved in implementation, also need to consider the attitude of the world’s central Banks, the data is transparent to calculate not fraud. And commercial paper financing is different, the federal reserve bank of direct selling white, the white is offline sales, unregulated, just also said financing ability is limited, so do not check others, the federal reserve bank can completely in the case of not hair bonds directly to your account number, type a want 10 trillion dollars, for example, and then transferred to the fund and other commercial Banks. That’s right, bandit behavior, no money to print, no one knows!

hslayj:
我的观点是,CSW过于强调比特币的使用价值,而基本忽视了比特币的稀缺价值;BTC core过于强调比特币的稀缺价值,而基本无视了比特币的使用价值,这也是当初比特币分叉分道扬镳的主要动因吧,CSW把比特币想小了,BTC core把比特币想简单了,想小了不要紧,可以慢慢长大,想简单了就麻烦了,链随时可能猝死。不过也可以理解,当初发明集装箱的人也没有预见到集装箱改变了世界产业链结构和国家博弈逻辑吧,马化腾当初创建腾讯的时候也没有预见到一个聊天软件能成为互联网规则定义者巨头吧。
My view is that CSW places too much emphasis on the use value of bitcoin and basically ignores the scarcity value of bitcoin. BTC core overemphasizing the scarcity value of COINS, but largely ignored the use value of the currency, which is at the beginning the main motivations of COINS bifurcate parted ways, CSW think small COINS, BTC core to think of the currency, think small it doesn’t matter, can slowly grow up, want to simple trouble, chain subject to sudden death. However, it is understandable that the original inventor of the container did not foresee that the container changed the structure of the world industrial chain and the logic of the national game, ma huateng did not foresee that a chat software can become the Internet rule definition giant when he founded tencent.

荣哥理财师:
无使用价值,只有稀缺价值,就是旁氏。csw 怕世人误入歧途,所以一直强调使用价值
No use value, only scarce value, is pond’s. CSW is afraid that the world will go astray, so has always stressed the use of value

hslayj:
使用价值一旦被证实,稀缺价值才会体现,确实有一个先后顺序。CSW并不需要全知全能,只需要把比特币的使用性发扬光大,自有后人来完成比特币稀缺性的应用案例,允许领袖犯非致命性错误,是社区成熟的一个很好的信号。
Once the use value is confirmed, the scarcity value will be reflected. There is indeed a sequence. CSW doesn’t need to know everything, it just needs to develop the usability of bitcoin. There will be future generations to complete the application cases of bitcoin scarcity. Allowing leaders to make non-fatal mistakes is a good signal of community maturity.

比特币张摩西:
我不认为CSW把比特币想小了,比特币锁死协议是基础,去除区块上线提供了一切的可能性,17年CSW复出的时候强调了激进扩容的重要性,元网提供了链上数据的组织方式。CSW不需要全知全能,想象力交给建设者。就像生命最初只是一段丝状物一样,谁能想象到在这丝状物的基础上会进化出人类。
I don’t think CSW thinks bitcoin is too small, the bitcoin lock protocol is the foundation, the removal of the block online provides all possibilities, the return of CSW in 17 years stressed the importance of radical expansion, the meta-network provides the way the data on the chain is organized. CSW does not require omniscience; imagination is left to the builder. Just as life began as a filamentum, who could have imagined that human beings would evolve from that filamentum?

hslayj:
因为CSW在说比特币的价值上限在5万美金,最高很难超过10万美金,说比特币无法改变经济形态,说比特币在经济危机中会衰退,甚至认为比特币没有投资属性,这些说法基本都没有考虑到比特币的稀缺性属性,我才会有上面的感慨,我觉得CSW确实把比特币想小了,但是这并不能阻止比特币发展壮大,因为他的规则也限制了他的行为,不会因为他的某种领域的认知缺失而给比特币生态带来灾难性影响。
Because in CSW said upper limit of the value of the currency in 50000 dollars, it is hard to exceed $100000, said the currency can’t change the economic form, said the currency would decline in the economic crisis, even don’t think the currency investment properties, these statements are not considering the scarcity of the currency property, I will have the feeling, I think the CSW did think small COINS, but it doesn’t stop the currency, because he has limited his rule, because he’s not a lack of enough cognition to the currency in the field of ecological disastrous effects.

不写代码的架构师:
博士貌似还说过会到100万美元,不要相信博士说价格哈哈
Doc said it would be $1 million. Don’t believe doc when he says the price

hslayj:
CSW对现代民主体系和金融体系的烂尾性缺乏深刻的认识,他也没有意识到他创造的这个系统其实可以真正的去解决这个问题。

如果美国这次经济危机导致美元体系的信用猜疑链,那么最好的国际贸易货币和国家储备财富就是BSV,政治中立性和绝对稀缺性以及高速转账性能使得BSV的价值性和使用性都得到全方位的支持,对人类来说,人类有了一个无视政治、国家、战争、强权的抗通胀信用体系,对BSV来说,立马就成就了外部稀缺性和内部稀缺性的自然垄断,这个措施可以立即治愈现有的国际贸易体系的信用猜疑链。
CSW lacked a deep understanding of the weaknesses of modern democracies and financial systems, and he did not realize that the system he had created could actually solve the problem.

If America’s system of the economic crisis led to the dollar credit chain of suspicion, then the best currency of international trade and national reserves of wealth is the BSV, political neutrality and absolute scarcity and high speed transfer performance makes the value of the BSV and usability are supported by comprehensive, for human beings, human beings have a ignoring political, national, war, and power against inflation credit system, for the BSV immediately achievements within the external scarcity and scarcity of natural monopoly, this measure can be cured immediately the existing system of international trade credit chain of suspicion.

荣哥理财师:
博士不希望早期太多投机者参与,而是早期多建设者参与
The doctor does not want too many early speculators to participate, but too many early builders

孙牧:
太理想化了,全球范围的共识达成需要契机和较长的时间,不可能一蹴而就。目前低调地建设使用价值是更现实的行动路线。
Too idealistic. A global consensus takes time and opportunity. It cannot be reached overnight. The current low-key construction of use value is a more realistic line of action.

hslayj:
我记得当初IDG和李泽楷卖腾讯股票的时候,就是因为马化腾不知道腾讯的远期战略可以怎么走,IDG看不到腾讯的未来希望才甩掉了腾讯股票,创业者有局限很正常,没必要把一切动作合理化。
I remember when IDG and Richard li sold tencent shares, it was because ma huateng did not know how to go tencent’s long-term strategy, IDG did not see the future of tencent hope to get rid of tencent shares, entrepreneurs have limitations is normal, there is no need to rationalize all the action.

hslayj:
是的,确实需要契机和时间,这个东西是急不来的,但是如果有政治家有这方面的意识,这个进程会加快很多。
Yes, it does take time and opportunity, and this is not something that can be rushed, but if there are politicians who are aware of this, the process will speed up a lot.

我上面说的一切,都不影响我把CSW评价为人类最伟大发明家的评价,只是说我们BSV支持者仍然有义务寻找CSW没有看到的那50%的BSV区块链的可能性。
All that I have said above does not affect my assessment of CSW as the greatest inventor of mankind, only that we BSV supporters are still obliged to look for the 50% possibility of BSV blockchain that CSW does not see.

美国危机我信,人民币接盘最多是权宜之计,中国还远远没有准备好成为世界领袖。中国的很多顶层金融人士用的方法论都是美国学回来的,中国的金融底层问题同样严峻,用一个国家取代另外一个国家成为新霸主,只是重新上演了屠龙少年变成恶龙的故事,就如同以前的纳粹终结者美国已经变成了现在世界的纳粹一样。
I believe that renminbi repositioning is at best a quick fix and that China is far from ready to be a world leader. Many of China’s top financial professionals with the methodology of learning back in America, China’s financial plumbing problems as serious, replacing another country with a country to become new overlord, just rerun the slew a young into the story of the dragon, as in Nazi past the terminator the Nazi has become now the rest of the world.

hslayj:
如果中国领导人有足够的战略眼光,我觉得是在旧体系崩溃之际,组织起以区块链联盟为核心的真正的政治中立同盟,完成人类命运共同体的底层信用体系构建,而不是改朝换代自己当王,这个世界并不缺少统治者,缺少的是有效新秩序的构建者,权力是一个饕餮巨兽,会吃掉所有可见的东西,人类并不需要新的权力转移,需要的是新的约束权力的制度。
If China’s leaders have enough strategic vision, I think it is in the old system was collapsing, organize to block chain alliance as the core of the real political neutrality alliance, complete credit system construction of the bottom of society, human destiny community rather than the regime change yourself when king, the world is not lack of rulers, lack is effective, the construction of a new order of power is a gluttonous beast, will eat all visible things, human doesn’t need a new power transfer, need is a new constraints of power system.

比特斯卡:
如果把一带一路,dcep联系起来思考,你会发现,中国正在下一盘大棋,战略眼光或许比民间数字货币远大得多
If you think about One Belt And One Road, dcep, you will find that China is playing a big game, strategic vision may be far more than private digital currency

清风徐来:
中国经济是一个全球化的经济,是全球制造业的中心,海外的疫情什么时候解除,会影响到中国的出口和进口,影响到全球产业链,现在复工复产进度慢,目前已经能看到个人就业和大型机构的危机,股市的崩盘,而美国上市公司是否会发生大规模违约有可能是经济危机的导火索,债市的出现导致经济大萧条,美元霸权的法币体系面临危机…何况其他国家百分杠杆注水的金融体系。
China’s economy is a global economy, is the world’s manufacturing center, overseas outbreak when lifting, will affect China’s export and import, affect the global industrial chain, now return to work and production progress is slow, now can see individual employment and large institutional crisis, the collapse of the stock market, the listed companies in the United States will happen major defaults may be in the economic crisis, the appearance of the bond market, the great depression, the dollar hegemony of the fiat money system in crisis… Moreover, other countries’ fully leveraged watered-down financial systems.

hslayj:
很多东西不是仅仅靠战略就能完成的,中国的制度设计还不如美国的制度设计来管住权力,中国的崛起与邓小平的不称王称霸专心发展经济的思路有最直接的关系,中国现在的体量可以做到世界的心脏,但是做不了世界的大脑,强行去做就会有权力反噬,政治家没有正确定位,受罪的还是老百姓。
Could do a lot of things is not only the strategy, China’s system design is not as good as the United States to hold the power to the system design, the rise of China and the thinking of deng xiaoping’s hegemony not concentrate on economic development has the most direct relationship, China is now the size can be the heart of the world, but can’t do the world of the brain, forced to do will have the power itself, politicians have no correct positioning, suffer or ordinary people.

比特斯卡:
举国之力的推动,肯定比民间的力量大得多,国家意志肯定比民间个人英雄主义强大得多且容易的多
The power of the whole country is surely more powerful than the power of the people, and the will of the state is more powerful and easier than the heroism of the people

hslayj:
这种思路很危险,因为当初德国失控就是这种思潮的产物,防止权力过度影响是现代政治的重要命题,国家主义泛滥最后只能造成种族对抗和权力越界

科技的力量,不是英雄主义,是实际推动人类发展的根本性力量
This kind of thinking is very dangerous, because it was the product of the thought that Germany was out of control at the beginning. Preventing the excessive influence of power is an important proposition of modern politics

The power of science and technology, not heroism, is the fundamental force that actually promotes human development

比特斯卡:
此一时彼一时,1024肯定不是随便脑袋发热
Now and then, 1024 is certainly not a random head

hslayj:
权力的危害只要开始启动,就是一只饕餮巨兽,当你想管住他的时候就晚了,如果国家能力就可以搞定一切,就没有那么多王朝更替和权力兴衰了
As soon as the damage of power starts, it is a glutton monster. When you want to control it, it is too late. If the power of the state can do everything, there will not be so many dynasties and the rise and fall of power

比特斯卡:
如果只用权利,完全可以用美国的策略,没必要一带一路
If you just use the power, you can use the American strategy, you don’t have to use One Belt And One Road

hslayj:
可以看看德国二战纪录片,我的父亲母亲,刚开始大家只是想爱国,最后却都成了权力的牺牲品和帮凶

一带一路是很好的提法,人类文明共同体也是很好的提法,但是人民币永久代替美元就不是,这是权力的更替,没有意义

人类的文明范式升级,我的理解应该指望诚实账本代替权力,而全人类未来唯一的诚实数据库账本,目前来看,我只看到了BSV
If you look at the German world war ii documentary, my father and mother, in the beginning, everyone just wanted to love their country, but in the end, they all became victims and accomplices of power

One Belt And One Road is a good way to put it, and the community of human civilization is a good way to put it, but the permanent replacement of the RMB for the us dollar is not. This is a change of power, which is meaningless

Human civilization paradigm upgrade, my understanding should look to the honest ledger instead of power, and the future of mankind’s only honest database ledger, at present, I only see BSV

比特斯卡:
当然,我并不是否定比特的价值和前途,但比特永远不能成为法币,最多成为法币载体,
Of course, I’m not denying the value and future of bits, but bits can never be legal currency, at most, legal currency carrier.

hslayj:
比特币不需要成为法币,他只需要诚实账本就够了,比特币不需要成为权力信用载体,它只需要成为公正信用载体就够了,当权力搞砸了的时候,我们起码还知道有个可以信赖的港湾,这就够了
Bitcoin does not need to be a legal currency, it just needs to be an honest ledger is enough, bitcoin does not need to be a carrier of power credit, it just needs to be a carrier of justice credit is enough, when power is messed up, we at least know that there is a safe harbor, that is enough

比特斯卡:
理想政府不可能到来,至少百年内或许千年内不会,每个牛逼的国家也肯定有自己的一套货币,
There is no ideal government, not for a hundred years at least, not for a thousand years, and every great nation must have its own currency,

hslayj:
从来没有什么完美和最好,但是可以追求更好和升级,以前世界最底层的逻辑就是暴力逻辑,只有当区块链成熟的时候,人们可能通过诚实体系彻底管住暴力和权力。
There has never been anything perfect and best, but we can pursue for better and upgrade. In the past, the logic at the bottom of the world is the logic of violence. Only when the blockchain is mature, people can completely control the violence and power through the honest system.

法币崩溃后转金属货币,这种事情历史上出现过很多次,权力信用崩溃时,统治者也会寻求公正信用,但是当权力掌握了唯一的公正信用话语权时,权力又会重新把公正信用转化为权力信用,区块链就是在以后权力寻求公正信用后,通过信息公开来完成对权力的制衡,防止权力偷梁换柱,这也是为什么我说诚实数据库那么重要的原因。
Fiat currency after the collapse of metal currency, this kind of thing, there have been many times in the history of power when the credit crunch, the ruler will seek justice credit, but when the power is the only fair credit discourse, power and will to the fair credit into power, block chain is in power after seeking justice, credit through public information to complete the checks and balances on power, prevent the power is removed, and that is why I say honesty database so important.

hslayj:
没有政治中性结算机制,各个国家永远摆脱不了竞争性贬值的法币厄运,囚徒困境是这种局势的真实写照,现在是实际违约带来问题,由此带来的全球贸易体系猜疑链才是最致命的
Without a politically neutral settlement, countries will never be able to escape the curse of competitive devaluations. The prisoner’s dilemma is a true picture of this situation

hslayj:
美联储现在很难受,不印钞维持美元信用,美元涨涨涨,其它资产跌跌跌,美国的经济衰退几乎不可避免,特朗普和普通民众都不答应,印钞救市,能暂时企稳金融市场,美元信用消失带来的主权资金撤资,在远期上来讲,也是要命的东西,真正是进退维谷,里外不是人。
The fed now very afflictive, don’t print money to maintain the dollar credit, the dollar up up up, other assets fall down, America’s recession almost inevitable, and ordinary people are not promised to trump, printing money rescue, can temporarily stabilize financial markets, the dollar credit loss the sovereignty of the withdrawal of funds, in the forward, is killing me, really is a dilemma, not people inside and outside.

hslayj:
美元体系出问题是多输局面,中国还有3万亿美金的外汇储备,美国也会失去世界中心位置,国际统一甩卖美元资产也会造成美元资产的挤兑,旧的平衡向新的平衡转变,可能会有很多转变时期的炮灰。
China still has $3 trillion of foreign exchange reserves, and the United States will lose its position as the center of the world. The international unified sale of us dollar assets will also cause a run on us dollar assets. The old balance will change to the new balance, and there may be a lot of cannon fodder in the transition period.

hslayj:
最理想的方式是多个国家联合起来,成立对BSV体系的法律底层构建,让BSV成为国际流通的主要货币和储存方式,这会带来一次有如大航海时代一样的社会红利创新,如果美国出错牌妄图通过政治手段甚至军事手段转移矛盾,或者中国出错牌妄图接替美国当老大,那历史的车轮可能还会来来回回徘徊很长一段时间,文明的升级在BSV创世升级诞生的那一刻起就已经有了可能性,只是要看这个信号什么时候能传导到国际政治一线的大脑中去。
Is the ideal way of multiple countries unite, established laws underlying the BSV system build, let the BSV become the main currency of the international circulation and storage, it brings a great maritime era as social dividend innovation, if the U.S. card right on the run from the contradiction through political means and even military means transfer, or Chinese card right when the boss wants to replace the United States, that the wheel of history is likely to wander back and forth for a long time, the upgrades in BSV creation civilization is born that moment had possibility, when can only depends on the signal transmission to the international political line of the brain.

王超蔚:
bsv体量太太太小了,没有大规模用起来之前,没个十年八年的增长肯定不会考虑的
Mrs. BSV volume is too small to be considered for growth without a decade or eight years of large-scale use

比特币张摩西:
需要一个大公司带头,这样就好办多了
It would be easier if a big company took the lead

hslayj:
时间肯定是需要的,几十年都有可能,现在是大家还没有体会到信用数据库的好处,另外BSV的体量太小了,还没有进入主流视野,还在把BSV当一个普通山寨币来看待。BSV的逻辑一旦流行了,可以给任何一个行业带来多维度的信用加持,在我脑海里都存在着10多个改变世界的BSV应用场景,我相信真正铺开后,BSV的重要性要比互联网大几倍,因为BSV成功后,可能没有什么公共领域的商业和政治能够离开信用数据库孤立存在,BSV通过价值其实是把整个实体世界都捆绑住了。
Time is definitely needed, it is possible for decades, now is that we have not realized the benefits of the credit database, in addition, the volume of BSV is too small, has not entered the mainstream vision, still treat BSV as a common counterfeit currency. BSV logic once popular, can bring to any one industry multi-dimensional credit blessing, in my mind there are more than 10 the BSV application scenarios to change the world, I believe that true rolled out after the BSV than the importance of the Internet several times, because after the success of the BSV, there may not be what the public domain of business and political can exist in isolation, left credit database BSV by value is actually the whole entity is bound to live in the world.

可以想象一下没有中枢神经系统,一个生物会怎么样,BSV其实就是这个世界的未来的中枢神经系统。
You can imagine a creature without a central nervous system, and BSV is actually the future central nervous system of the world.

荣哥理财师:
比特币浴火重生,现在的BSV还是不到两岁的小BABY。
BSV is still a BABY under two years old.

hslayj:
BSV已经11岁了,只是2年前被人偷了家产而已~~姜太公钓鱼,愿者上钩吧,BSV要么就成不了,一旦成了就是人类文明级创新
BSV is 11 years old, only two years ago someone stole the house only ~ ~ jiang taigong fishing, willing to bite the hook, BSV or not, once become a human civilization level innovation

hslayj:
可以看看现在区块链领域的尝试有多少,这些在BSV真神归位以后,都是BSV沃土上的生态,BSV注定了不鸣则已,一鸣惊人
We can see how many attempts there are in the field of blockchain. After the true god of BSV returns to the throne, these are all the ecology on the fertile soil of BSV, and BSV is doomed to be a blockbuster

hslayj:
我觉得还是从2008年白皮书算比较合适,正是有了前期的铺垫,才有那么多区块链的创新者和尝试者,这也为了接下来的比特周期中,BSV万币归一甚至万链归一带来了人才基础和生态基础,BTC、BCH也是区块链新生儿的成长疫苗,使得BSV壮大后不至于把人类引入无政府主义的混乱中,他们其实都有意义,都是BSV成功路上的垫脚石。
I feel or from 2008, the white paper is more appropriate, it is the early stage, you have so many blocks chain innovators and try, this also for the next bit cycle, BSV coin unto a chain unto even a talent base and ecological basis, BTC, BCH also block chain growth of newborn vaccine, makes the BSV grow after not introduce human anarchic chaos, they are really meaningful, are BSV stepping stone to success.

荣哥理财师:
白皮书是怀孕,还是2009.1.3创世块作为生日是最合适的。 
Is the white paper pregnant or is the creation block as the birthday the most appropriate?  

hslayj:
是的,可以这么说,真理不会被埋没,只是有的时候可能需要比较久的时间让人们去识别吧。
Yes, it can be said that truth will not be buried, but sometimes it may take a long time for people to recognize it.

hslayj:
最后那些所谓的公链、行业链、联盟链才会真正发现,他们找来找去苦苦寻觅的跨链逻辑,其实就是比特币BSV本身,转来转去,所有区块链又回归了本源的样子。
In the end, those so-called public chain, industry chain and alliance chain will truly find that the cross-chain logic they are looking for is actually bitcoin BSV itself. After a while, all blockchain returns to its original form.

hslayj:
短期操作是自己的事,自负盈亏就行了,别人帮不了。华盛顿是牛人,把自己放血放挂了;牛顿是牛人,把自己股票亏光了;爱迪生是牛人,把自己努力方向搞错了;乔布斯是牛人,被一堆人批评人品问题。牛人也会犯错误,不要把自己的人生放在对牛人日常说法的咬文嚼字上,要不然他的一个不经意的小问题,可能就是你的噩梦了,而他可能过两天就把这个小问题给改正了。
Short-term operations are their own business, self - financing on the line, no one can help. Washington was a great man, and he bled himself to death; Newton was a great man and lost his stock; Edison is a cow, his efforts to the direction of the wrong; Jobs was a great guy, and a lot of people criticized him for his character. Good people make mistakes, too. Don’t put your life on the words of good People’s Daily life.

王超蔚:
一个小目标,bsv先等于btc,才有可能实现万链归一,最后才可能跳出币圈进入主流视野。就是不知道要几年,估计2个牛熊,2028年?
A small goal, BSV first equal to BTC, it is possible to achieve the convergence of the chain, and finally may jump out of the currency circle into the mainstream vision. I don’t know how long it will take, two bulls and bears, 2028?

hslayj:
时间维度这个真的不好猜,毕竟与关键节点的关键人认知有直接关系,最多猜可能有这么回事儿,然后等着世界在不经意的时间给你一个正确答案。
The time dimension is really hard to guess, after all, it is directly related to the cognition of the key person at the key node. At most, it is possible to guess such a thing, and then wait for the world to give you a correct answer in a casual time.

王超蔚:
不说btc,连bch都利益错综的,要不然原地就可以归零去了。价值过度一年也最不到。
Don’t say BTC, even the interests of BCH are intricate, or in situ can go to zero. A year’s excess of value is the least.

hslayj:
bch这么扯淡的事儿都干了,没看表现在币价上,说明现在的投机资金根本不看基本面的,就是爆拉以后爆掉杠杆套利的思路。
BCH is such a bullshit thing to do, did not see the performance in the currency price, it shows that the current speculative capital does not look at the fundamentals, is the explosion after the explosion of leverage arbitrage ideas.

hslayj:
BSV目前托盘的主要靠CA,CA还要投资生态搞开发养团队,资金能力不足很正常,BCH的比特大陆可以通过挖矿卖币的节奏控制进行控盘,所以托盘实力可能比BSV还强一点儿,等郁金香解封了,情况应该会有很大变化。
At present, BSV mainly relies on CA for the pallet, and CA also invests in the ecological development and breeding team. It is normal that the capital capacity is insufficient. BCH’s bit-continent can control the tray through the rhythm control of mining and selling COINS, so the pallet strength may be a little stronger than BSV.

hslayj:
BSV的亮点还是很多的,合法化、专利多、稳定协议、无上限区块、生态前景好、中本聪挂帅,BSV不死,就没有区块链敢说自己名正言顺成为信用数据库,诚实世界是靠诚实铸就的。
BSV is still a lot of bright spots, legalization, more patents, stability agreement, unlimited block, good ecological prospects, satoshi nakamoto in the lead, BSV die, there is no block chain dare to say that it is right to become a credit database, the honest world is forged by honesty.

杠杆多,交易盘子小,使用性还没有完成,链上生态还没有成熟,庄家还有操盘空间,就体现出价格的高波动性。
Leverage is much, trade dish is small, use sex is not finished, the ecology on the chain is not mature, banker still has the space of trade, reflect the high fluctuation of the price.

短期内暴涨暴跌还是难以避免的,大家尽量不要想去赚快钱,资金就有安全,上杠杆了就危险了,分分钟归零是常事,前一阵子我看到学习群好多人说2倍杠杆不要紧,不知道现在这批人什么感觉
In the short term rise and fall or unavoidable, we try not to want to make quick money, the capital is safe, on the leverage is dangerous, minutes to zero is a common thing, a while ago I saw a lot of people said that the learning group 2 times leverage does not matter, do not know now this group of people what feeling

我谈论的所有BSV可能性都是以十年为跨度的,短期怎么走,我是不知道的,所以大家一定要注意资金安全,不要赌性太大,牛市来的时候币没了
All the BSV possibilities I’m talking about are on a 10-year run, so I don’t know what the short run is going to be, so you have to pay attention to the safety of your money, you don’t want to bet too much, you don’t want to lose money when the bull market comes

next chapter : Recreating Economics based on Bitcoin 4 : 法币崩溃

CONTENTS (目录) #

比特币经济学 : 首页
比特币经济学 1 : 开讲
比特币经济学 2 : 法律
比特币经济学 3 : CSW
比特币经济学 4 : 法币崩溃
比特币经济学 5 : 核心概念定调
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