比特币经济学 4 : 法币崩溃

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比特币经济学:基于BitcoinSV的全新视角来重新构想世界经济格局 #

Recreating Economics based on Bitcoin : Reimagining the world economic landscape based on a new perspective of BitcoinSV #

CONTENTS (目录) #

比特币经济学 : 首页
比特币经济学 1 : 开讲
比特币经济学 2 : 法律
比特币经济学 3 : CSW
比特币经济学 4 : 法币崩溃
比特币经济学 5 : 核心概念定调
比特币经济学 6 : 经济危机 HOT !!!
比特币经济学 7 : 路径 HOT !!!
比特币经济学 8 : 万链归一
比特币经济学 9 : 产业区块链
比特币经济学 10 : 去中心化
比特币经济学 11 : 代际剥削
比特币经济学 12 : 族群矛盾
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Conversation : 2020.3.21~3.26 #

hslayj:
按照以前btc的逻辑,减半一开始应该体现在矿难上,会使得很多老矿机因为收入减半而被迫关机,市场的主要卖空力量就是矿工,矿工力量削弱后,市场供需关系打破从而推动了价格上扬,不过这次减半有真假李逵之争,之前两个周期的很多得益者也会瞄准这次减半进行定点操作,所以减半的力度到底有多大,到底什么时候来,这个还是有蛮多风险因素在的,需要综合考虑。
In accordance with the previous BTC logic, halving the beginning should be embodies in the mine, makes a lot of the old mill because income in half and was forced to shut down, the market’s main short power is miners, strength weakened, miners break so as to promote the prices, market supply and demand, but this time in half a true li kui, before the many beneficiaries of the two cycles will be aimed at this time in half for fixed point operation, so half the strength of the how much, what time to, this is pretty much in risk factors, and the need to consider.

hslayj:
地球只有一个去中心化系统,那就是自然生态本身,区块链也只需要一个去中心化系统,那就是完成了政治中立性和万链归一建设以后的比特币BSV生态本身(当前的BSV都难说是去中心化,更别说那些整天改协议瞎忽悠的伪币和山寨币),除此之外的所有去中心化逻辑都是伪逻辑,去中心化交易所、去中心化金融、去中心化市场、去中心化银行、去中心化政府、去中心化公司,它们最多做到分布式,无法做到去中心化。
The earth is only a decentralized system, namely, natural ecology itself, block chain also need only a decentralized system, that is to complete the political neutrality and thousands of chain to a building after the currency BSV ecological itself (the current BSV are hard to say is decentralized, not to mention all day change agreement blind fool counterfeiters and counterfeit currency), in addition to all of the decentralized logic are pseudo logic, decentralization, decentralized financial exchanges, decentralized market, decentralized bank, decentralized government, decentralized company, they do most distributed, decentralized cannot do.

比特币张摩西:
去中心化的真正含义是you can’t change the fucking rules,概念都不懂的情况下谈去中心化就是瞎扯蛋,骗子太多了,需要多次重温博士的视频
The real meaning of decentralization is that you can’t change the fucking rules. If you don’t understand the concepts, talking about decentralization is nonsense. There are too many frauds, so you need to review the doctor’s video for many times

hslayj:
张首晟这种顶级准诺奖理论物理学家都被所谓的数学和代码搞跳楼了,更别提普通人根本没有能力鉴别代码质量和数学加密算法。识别骗子的最好方式就是对每一个概念都打破砂锅问到底,不要被看似高大上的词震住,不接受自己不懂的理论。
Top theoretical physicists like zhang shousheng have been thrown off buildings by so-called mathematics and code, not to mention the fact that ordinary people have no ability to identify code quality and mathematical encryption algorithms. The best way to spot a cheater is to follow through on every concept, not to be swayed by the big words, and not to accept theories you don’t understand.

文俊:
币圈骗局是压垮张的最后一根稻草,实在令人惋惜
The coin ring scam was the last straw that broke zhang’s heart

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hslayj:
美国是金融立国的,有几招金融杀手锏是很厉害的,这篇文章写得挺好的,就是讲美元金融战的历次简介。
The United States is a financial country, there are several financial killer mace is very powerful, this article is well written, is about the history of the dollar financial war brief.

hslayj:
说得挺好的,如果把POW的永续逻辑中,区块补贴最终消失后,只有最大的链上生态才能成就矿工的永恒生存土壤和POW利润来源,所以BSV才是最终存活链这条逻辑加进去,就更完美了~~
That’s a good point. If we add the sustainable logic of POW, after the block subsidy finally disappears, only the largest ecology on the chain can achieve the eternal living soil of miners and the source of POW profits, so BSV is the ultimate survival chain. This logic is more perfect ~~

TsiMing Ho:
没有区块上限才能够匹配手续费和能量投入
There is no block cap to match the fee and energy input

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hslayj:
美国已经不要脸了,全球法币体系大血拼的时代也不远了。
The United States has lost face, and the era of a global legal currency system is not far away.

重水vs铁粉:
通货膨胀,经济危机开始了
Inflation, the economic crisis began

比特币张摩西:
美国现在自顾不暇了
The United States has its hands full now

hslayj:
凯恩斯主义与其说是经济学理论,不如说是政治学理论,在美国脱离布雷顿森林体系金本位后,法币体系的崩溃就已经注定了,为了一点铸币税而成就了如今的永续通胀逻辑,永续通胀逻辑在国家银行体系中的流转催生了永续债务逻辑,当债务达到一定规模时,体系的崩塌几乎就是必然的,这和个人借高利贷拆东墙补西墙并没有本质区别,政治博弈是零和博弈甚至负和博弈过程,就算赢了一时的利益,也会失去永恒的信任,很多时候人们过于高估了权力的能力,民主制度更进一步放大了这种幻觉。不过旧体系的崩溃有时候也不一定是坏事,他把那些老掉牙的坏逻辑淘汰掉,留给了新的体系予以生长的空间和可能性,使得年轻人能够在不被老权威影响下去建立一个全新的世界,而不用过度理会旧世界体系中的纳什均衡,危机与机遇总是相生相伴的。
Keynesian is not so much economic theory, political theory, rather out of the bretton woods system in the United States after the gold standard, the collapse of the fiat money system may have been doomed, accomplished today for a bit of seigniorage sustainable inflation logic, sustainable inflation logic in the country’s banking system has given rise to a sustainable debt logic, when debt reaches a certain size, the collapse of the system is almost a certainty, this and personal loan sharks robbing Peter to pay Paul and there is no essential difference between political game is a zero-sum game and even negative and game process, even if won a temporary interests, but also will lose eternal trust, Too often people overestimate the power of power, and democracy amplifies that illusion. But the collapse of the old system, sometimes is not necessarily a bad thing, he put the old bad logic out, leaving the space and the possibility of the growth of the new system be, enables young people to set up in is not affected by the old authority on a whole new world, without excessive ignored the Nash equilibrium in the system of the old world, crisis and opportunity always accompanies.

荣哥理财师:
Twetch创始人在CoinGeek伦敦大会的演讲视频(中文字幕)
BSV如何改变社交媒体,个人用户如何通过自己的影响力获取个人品牌及广告收益!
BSV改变世界!
Video presentation by Twetch founder at CoinGeek conference in London (Chinese subtitles)
How BSV changes social media and how individual users can gain personal brand and advertising revenue through their influence!
BSV changes the world!

hslayj:
链上社交还是要找到传统社交软件无法实现的场景才行,要给用户足够的理由把自己的圈子拉进来,现在几个产品还要加把劲
On the chain of social or to find the traditional social software can not achieve the scene, to give users enough reasons to pull their own circle into, and now several products to strengthen

曹远铖:
是啊,现在bsv上的社交产品还是以异性交友为主,感觉前景很难生存
Yeah, now that the social products on BSV are still dominated by heterosexual friends, it seems difficult to survive in the future

荣哥理财师:
应该是传统社交+bsv,比如机器人上链就做得很好
微信类是强关系,很难取代
Should be the traditional social + BSV, such as the robot on the chain do very well
WeChat classes are strong relationships that are hard to replace

曹远铖:
能结合一些原创作品 交易相关的行业社交,我感觉还有点机会,比如脉脉 猪八戒这一类
I feel there is still a chance to combine with some industry networking related to the original work trading, such as pulse pig and eight quit

荣哥理财师:
跨境猪八戒,可以节约结算成本
Cross - border pig eight quit, can save settlement cost

hslayj:
我在想比较专业的需要历史记录的场景,比如老师和学生布置作业,日常交流,作业反馈什么的,有了公用数据库,每个学生复习的时候针对性就很强,可以有自己的成长曲线,还可以和各种学习软件通过接口打通。
I am thinking of professional scenes requiring historical records, such as the teacher and students to assign homework, daily communication, homework feedback and so on. With a public database, each student will have a strong pertinence when reviewing, can have their own growth curve, and can be connected with a variety of learning software through the interface.

hslayj:
或者旅游地区陌生人交易,可以互看历史交易记录和评价,这样也可以加深陌生人信任。总之,要充分利用公用数据库特性的场景,只能链上软件才能做,要不然没有比较性竞争优势。
Or strangers in tourist areas can exchange historical transaction records and comments, which can also deepen the trust of strangers. In short, to make full use of the common database features of the scenario, only on the chain software can do, or there is no comparative competitive advantage.

比特币张摩西:
@hslayj 想和您谈谈SPV
今天细看了博士的文章,关于SPV的描述,逻辑上好像明白了怎么回事,但是具体的验证过程还不是很清楚
Merkle 可以保证在交易指数增长的情况下,SPV钱包的体积基本不增长(或者说是缓慢的线性增长)
@hslayj would like to talk to you about the SPV
I have read the doctor’s article carefully today, and I seem to understand logically the description of SPV, but the specific verification process is not very clear
Merkle can guarantee that the volume of the SPV wallet grows little (or slowly, linearly) as the transaction grows exponentially.

hslayj:
我理解的SPV蛮简单,就是卖家准备好支付模板给买家数字签名验证一下,拿到验证结果后就发给矿工,返回买家账户真实了以后就算完成交易了,然后这条交易就丢到内存池等待打包,因为本身就是一个验证逻辑,所以速度非常快,可以满足秒级交易。
I understand SPV is quite simple, is ready to pay the template to the buyer seller digital signature verification, and then sent to get the results of the validation miners, after returning to real buyers account even if the deal, then the transaction into the memory pool waiting for packaging, because itself is a validation logic, so fast, can meet the second grade.

比特币张摩西:
我以前也是这么认为的,但是现在觉得不是这样的
I used to think so, but I don’t think so now

hslayj:
SPV钱包的增长主要是区块头增长,每一个区块打包成功后,不管区块大小有多大,都会通过merkle tree的哈希计算完成一个区块头80个字节左右,线性添加到SPV钱包中就行了。
The growth of SPV wallet is mainly the growth of block head. After each block is successfully packaged, no matter how big the block size is, a block head of 80 bytes or so will be completed through the hash calculation of merkle tree, and it will be linearly added to the SPV wallet.

hslayj:
并不是每一个SPV都要添加一次区块头,一个区块才添加一次区块头,比如一个区块里面有100万笔交易,那么你对每笔交易做一次哈希,得出100万个交易哈希,然后在对半哈希20次,就变成了一个区块头了,这个80字节的区块头才会被添加到SPV钱包中,而不是每笔交易
Not every SPV is to add a block, a only added once the block header, such as a block there are 1 million trades, so you do a hash for every deal, it is concluded that 1 million trade hash, then in half-and-half hash 20 times, becomes a block head, the head of the 80 - byte block will be added to the SPV purse, not every deal

hslayj:
区块头是都要添加到SPV没错,不过和区块大小没关系和交易笔数没关系,和交易的内容大小也没关系。
Block headers are all added to the SPV that’s right, but it’s not the size of the block, it’s not the number of transactions, it’s not the size of the transaction.

比特币张摩西:
区块链的所有的区块头都会保存的钱包里面,但只有和你交易关联的merkle . paths 才会被保存。钱包本质是UTXO集合,意味着 每一个utxo都会对应一个merkle path, 而这个merkle path的占的字节数与他所在的区块包含的交易对数成对数关系。我是这么认为的交易数量
All of the blockchain’s blockheads will be stored in the wallet, but only merkle’s paths associated with your transaction will be saved. The wallet is essentially a UTXO collection, meaning that each UTXO corresponds to a merkle path whose number of bytes corresponds to the logarithm pairs of transactions contained in his block. I think so

hslayj:
merkle path 应该是指UTXO的区块位置吧,应该有多少UTXO就有多少merkle path吧
Merkle path should be the location of the UTXO block, and there should be as many merkle paths as there are UTXO blocks

比特币张摩西:
每个UTXO都对应一个路径
Each UTXO corresponds to a path

蒋杰:
如果utxo很多,spv撑得住吗?
If utxo is large, will the SPV hold up?

hslayj:
区块头是宏观的区块状态,是由所有人的历史交易记录决定的,utxo是每个账户的对应状况,是单个人的账户状况,不一样的。
The block head is the macro block state, which is determined by the historical transaction records of all people. Utxo is the corresponding status of each account, which is the account status of a single person, which is different.

比特币张摩西:
@蒋杰 撑的住
hold on

hslayj:
比如工商银行一天有100万笔交易,但是你的账户只有1笔,utxo就是指这一笔,而区块头的线性叠加就是由100万笔决定的。
For example, icbc has 1 million transactions a day, but your account has only 1 transaction. Utxo refers to this transaction, and the linear superposition of block head is determined by 1 million transactions.

蒋杰:
用spv收钱每次都要让矿工验证吗?不能独立验证一下?
Does the SPV have to be verified by the miner every time it is charged? Can’t you independently verify that?

比特币张摩西:
不需要矿工,验证是独立的
No miners are needed. Verification is independent

hslayj:
区块头是为了确定区块链的历史状态是真实的,因为每一个区块不管有多大,通过merkle tree的对数哈希以后,就只会有一个确定的80个字节左右的区块头,你只要认准了这80个字节,那区块中几百P的内容你都可以确定是没有篡改过的正版区块内容。
State of the history of the first is to determine the block chain is real, because each block no matter how, through the tree of logarithmic merkle hash later, it will only have a certain about 80 bytes of the block header, you as long as the 80 bytes at a time, hundreds of P content in the blocks you can be sure is not tampered with the original block content.

蒋杰:
如果对方的utxo不是你维护的,你如何验证他没有花出去?至少验证当前区块之前没有花出去过
If the utxo is not maintained by you, how do you verify that it is not spent? At least verify that the current block has not been spent before

比特币张摩西:
没有SPV的钱包也是这样的,比如现在的BTC钱包,但是他们没有实现SPV
The same is true for wallets without SPVS, such as the current BTC wallet, but they don’t implement SPVS

hslayj:
btc不是的,BTC是买家发起后,向矿工递交请求,矿工打包上链后,才算完成交易,和SPV不一样
BTC is not, BTC is the buyer initiated, submit the request to the miners, miners packaged on the chain, the completion of the transaction, and SPV is not the same

比特币张摩西:
我说现在的大部分钱包,比如imtoken 等等
I said most wallets today, like imtoken and so on

hslayj:
SPV是有可能造成双花的,不过因为交易数额小,而且法律责任明确,所以买家没有必要双花而已,这就要求区块链受到法律保护和实名加持

BTC在反政府路上走的太远了,所以SPV是肯定用不起来的。

SPV不用上链就算交易完成,BTC必须等待数据上链才行,所以才有交易速度这么大的差异。

所以不管从merkle tree的设计上来说,还是SPV设计上来说,中本聪就从来没有想过反政府。
SPV may cause double flower, but because the transaction amount is small, and the legal responsibility is clear, so the buyer does not need to double flower, which requires the block chain to be protected by law and real name

The BTC has gone too far in the anti-government direction, so the SPV is not going to work.

If the SPV does not need to be chained, the BTC must wait for the data to be chained, so there is such a big difference in transaction speed.

So in terms of the design of merkle tree, or the design of the SPV, satoshi nakamoto never thought of being anti-government.

邱少贤:
merkle tree 就是为了方便扩容,如此而已
Merkle tree is for expansion, that’s all

hslayj:
国内目前来说没什么土壤留给微支付,阿里和腾讯已经做的很好了,BSV中国突围还是要指望这类行业链做出好的技术样板出来,BSV的行业链爆发了,后面的路就好走了。
At present, there is no soil left for micro-payment in China. Alibaba and tencent have done a good job. BSV China still needs to rely on this kind of industry chain to make good technical samples to break through the siege.

荣哥理财师:
美国众议院小组委员会准备发布数字货币,这个听证会怎么看?
How does a house subcommittee prepare to release digital currency?

hslayj:
美元信用体系已经千苍百孔濒临瓦解了,要是再找个BTC当救命稻草那乐子就更大了。
The dollar’s credit system is on the verge of collapse, and it would be even more fun to have a BTC as a lifeline.

重水和铁粉:
呵呵,博士解锁郁金香,用btc砸死btc
不过,原定6月旧金山会议可能因疫情取消或延期
Hehe, doc unlocks tulip and kills BTC with BTC
However, the San Francisco meeting scheduled for June may be canceled or postponed due to the outbreak

hslayj:
今天看美国议员建议赖账中国持有美国国债,真的是蠢哭了,这傻子真的不懂国际金融猜疑链是摧毁美元信用体系的掘墓人么,偷偷摸摸去做也比这瞎吆喝强啊。
Today, when the us congressmen suggested that China should hold us Treasury bonds in default, they really cried their eyes out. They really don’t understand that the international financial chain of suspicion is the grave digger to destroy the us dollar credit system.

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hslayj:
这样写就对了,比特币是人类文明的下一座灯塔,是现代全球信用体系的预备役,是法币体系出现系统性崩溃后的诺亚方舟,它不和任何现有体系形成正面竞争,只是在现代政治博弈体系中,政客玩脱了以后,出来当那个收场子擦屁股的人而已。
Such written by the way, the currency is a beacon of human civilization, is the modern credit system of the world’s reserve, is a systemic collapse after Noah’s ark, fiat system it with any existing system to form positive competition, only in the modern political game system, politicians play off later, out when the person who accept a son wipe.

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好文章,建议大家都看看
Good article, suggest everybody to have a look

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hslayj:
美国和中国都有各自的底层经济结构问题,美国是金融过剩,中国是产能过剩,不过单从这次疫情的影响来看,对于金融过剩的打击是毁灭性的,美国现在一直在做透支远期信用的事情来救急,疫情对美国的金融信用体系的打击可以说是毁灭性的,中国的产能过剩问题反而成为了疫情期间向外输送援助的优势,所以仅仅从今年来说,中国人的日子应该比美国人好过一些,不过从长远来说,旧体系的瓦解已经是可以预见了,新体系会建成什么样,要看接下来几年的国际博弈情况,不过胜负手的主动权目前来说在中国手里。
The United States and China all have their own the underlying economic structure problem, the United States is the financial surplus, China’s overcapacity, but the terms of the influence of the outbreak, the financial surplus is devastating blow, the United States now have do the overdraft forward credit to emergency, epidemic blow to America’s financial credit system can be devastating, instead, China’s overcapacity problem became the outbreak during the advantage of sending aid, so just from this year, the day of the Chinese should be better than americans, but in the long term, the collapse of the old system is predictable, the new system will be what kind, It depends on how the international game plays out over the next few years, but the winning hand is now in China’s hands.

hslayj:
只要中国奉行一带一路的国际合作共赢政策,奉行人类命运共同体的政治中性原则,做新国际秩序的组织和结盟者,而不是像美国那样做一言堂的领导者,那美国的单边主义政策在国际上肯定是越走越窄的,中国的人口红利和产业链红利在经济发展上都占据了时间维度的优势,中国不用特别做什么,大势都在中国这边,而美国在这次经济危机中已经暴露出了金融软肋命门,国际影响力势必会受到很大影响,美国财政也不允许美国再进一步的进行军事扩张和经济透支,仅仅从常规角度美国是没有太大胜算的。当然这些都要排除走臭棋的因素,如果中国想接替美国做老大,或者美国要采取激进的军事策略,那么变数就比较大了。
As long as China’s adherence to the area of international cooperation and win-win policy, pursue the human destiny community of political neutrality, the organization for a new international order and alliances, rather like the United States be a leader of them, the American unilateralism policy must be more walk more narrow in the world, China’s demographic dividend and bonus on economic development industry chain are occupied the advantage of the time dimension, China need not special to do, momentum is on the Chinese side, while the United States in the economic crisis has exposed the financial weakness of vital international influence will be badly affected, The United States is not allowed to further military expansion and economic overspending in the United States fiscal, just from the conventional perspective of the United States is not too much to win. Of course, if China wants to succeed the United States as the leader, or the United States adopts an aggressive military strategy, then the uncertainty is greater.

hslayj:
其实BSV是一个胜负手,如果哪个大国先看透了区块链的底层逻辑,完善BSV的底层法律建设和国际联盟建设,可能在新秩序中就会有更高的话语权和标准制定能力,人类的文明升级逻辑要远大于政治博弈逻辑,英国的工业革命、美国的半导体革命都是这种范式升级的经典案例。
BSV is actually a triple substitutions, if the underlying logic which powers through the first block chain, perfect the BSV legal construction and the international federation of the bottom of society, can in the new order will have greater voice and standards development ability, human civilization to upgrade logic than political game logic, semiconductor revolution of the industrial revolution in Britain, the United States is to upgrade the classic case of this paradigm.

hslayj:
币圈现在的主要逻辑就是BTC开创的屯币待涨,BSV要与他们区隔开,BSVer有明显更专业的认识,更积极的建设意愿,更主动的学习和成长精神,这才是BSV之所以能成功的群众土壤。每个人只要成功阐述区块链底层逻辑,对普通投资者来说,即使不投资,起码明白了区块链的逻辑,可以避开大多数的币圈陷阱,避免上当。布道的传播学逻辑和病毒传播学逻辑是一样的,哪怕每个人说服的人很少,经过足够多轮后,效率都是指数级的,让币圈的人不上当,链圈的人早日找到正确的链逻辑,这个过程其实也是共赢的。
The main logic of currency circle now is that BTC created the stock currency to rise, BSV should be separated from them, BSVer has a more professional understanding, more active construction will, more active learning and growth spirit, this is the reason why BSV can succeed in the mass soil. As long as everyone succeeds in elaborating the underlying logic of the block chain, for ordinary investors, even if they do not invest, they at least understand the logic of the block chain, and can avoid most of the coinage trap and avoid being cheated. The communication logic of preaching and the logic of viral communication are the same. Even if everyone convinces only a few people, the efficiency will be exponential after enough rounds, so that people in the circle of money will not be fooled, and people in the circle of chain will find the right chain logic as soon as possible, this process is actually a win-win situation.

邱少贤:
是的,之前光群记录公开的方式虽然可以让有心人去发掘,但信息密度还是偏低,后来的网站和公众号都是希望更好滴传播而设立的
Yes, although the previous way of publishing the light group records can be explored by people who are interested in it, the information density is still low. Later websites and public accounts are set up in the hope of better dissemination

任小重:
我就是因为拉盘关注到的,最后学习,转投
I was concerned because of the pull disk, finally learn, turn

hslayj:
其实,最关键的认知闭环很多时候就是那么几个点,单向的知识灌输很多时候效果可能比较难以达到预期,还是要有针对分歧点的展开讨论可能效果更好一些,这就需要很多讨论的氛围,像目前币圈那种党同伐异的风气还是不太好的,人类的理性共识其实是有很多的切入角度的。其实布道对自己是一个蛮大的提升过程,对关键知识点的穷根寻源和对关键历史事件的对照类比都需要大量的学习,而对区块链未来的推测,更是需要广泛的知识面和全局性认识,只有认知到了,财富才能到,认知不到随波逐流带来的财富终究还是要随波逐流的流走。成长是一个永不过时的命题。
In fact, the key cognitive closed most of the time is a few points, the knowledge of the one-way infusion effect may be a lot of time to meet the expected, or want to discuss with on bifurcation may effect is better, which requires a lot of discussion atmosphere, like the current currency circle the ethos of intolerance is not very good, there are many human’s rational consensus of angles. Sermons to yourself is actually a pretty big ascension process, the key points of QiongGen analogy on the control of the source and find the key historical events are need a lot of learning, and for the future of block chain that is need a wide range of knowledge and overall understanding, to only cognition, to get wealth, cognitive less than go with the flow of wealth is to go with the flow of the outflow. Growth is a timeless proposition.

曾健:
因为疫情,世界动乱这么大,为什么bsv不站出来,感觉和金融没有什么关系
Because of the outbreak, the world is in turmoil, why didn’t BSV come forward and feel nothing to do with finance

hslayj:
BSV站出来不是靠CSW或者coingeek几个组织就能完成的,需要整个人类的认知升级和文明升级,BSV其实已经具备了站出来的潜力,只是推到前台去的力量是需要社会基础和发展时间的,如果BSV的早期支持者和参与者都在作壁上观,那么指望其它人去推动和实现就更不可能了。BSVer要先具备领袖气质,BSV的生态才能真正做到海纳百川万链归一。
BSV come out or not by CSW coingeek can complete several organizations, need the whole human cognitive upgrades and civilization, BSV actually already have stepped up potential, just the power of push to the front desk is needed social foundation and the development of time, if the BSV early supporters and participants are on the sidelines, then expect other people to promote and achieve more impossible. BSVer must first have the temperament of a leader, so that the ecology of BSV can truly realize the integration of all rivers into one chain.

hslayj:
BSV的总量上限2100万枚,就决定了BSV上位的世界里面,世界将不会有常态化通胀和永续性债务,任何法币增发都会带来法币兑BSV的价格下降,这就是BSV的金融作用,但是前提是,BSV首先得上位成全球的公共信用账本。
The total limit of BSV is 21 million, which determines that BSV will rise in the world. There will be no normalized inflation and sustainable debt in the world. Any issuance of legal tender will bring the price of legal tender to BSV down, which is the financial function of BSV.

曾健:
要作为世界账本,又不是BSV说做能做的,当老二老三比如电子货币成为通货的时候,比特币可能也只是比特币
To be the world’s ledger is not what BSV says it can do. When the middle and middle, such as electronic money, become currencies, bitcoin may just be bitcoin

hslayj:
你是说CBDC和DCEP做为通货货币的时候么?
You mean when CBDC and DCEP were currencies?

hslayj:
要成为世界账本,就需要有政治中立性,否则只能成为国家账本或者行业账本,而有政治中立性和扩容无限性与区块链正统性,目前来说只有BSV具备。
In order to become the world’s account book, we need to have political neutrality, otherwise we can only become the national account book or the industry account book, and there is political neutrality and expansion infinity and block chain legitimacy, currently only BSV has.

hslayj:
传统央行体系有三层结构,央行水龙头,商业银行和用户流通层,DCEP和CBDC是央行发行的,那么第一层结构和第二层结构,它都无法革命,因为它很难推翻自己的生存逻辑,而第三层用户流通层逻辑,其实支付宝和微信支付已经做得很好了,所以DCEP和CBDC在我看来可能最多是权力转向的余波,而无法成为新生态的新生存基因,如果DCEP和CBDC逻辑下的央行还如今天央行这样用凯恩斯主义调控经济,其实他们只是传统央行的新瓶换旧酒而已,持续贬值和通胀的数字货币和法币又有什么本质区别呢。
Traditional central bank system, there are three layer structure, the central bank faucet, commercial Banks and circulation of user layer, DCEP and CBDC is the central bank issued, so the first layer structure and the second layer structure, it can’t revolution, because it is difficult to overthrow their survival logic, and the third layer user flow logic, actually pay treasure and WeChat payment has done very well, so the DCEP and CBDC, in my opinion, most likely is turned to the aftermath of the power, and to become a new ecological survival genes, if DCEP and CBDC under the logic of the central bank also with Keynesian regulation economy, such as central bank today In fact, they are just the new bottle for the old wine of traditional central Banks. What is the essential difference between a digital currency and a fiat currency that keeps devaluing and inflating?

荣哥理财师:
如果decp底层还是在天朝,你拿到的币还攥在别人手里
If the bottom of the decp is still in China, your money is still in someone else’s hands

hslayj:
BSV是独立于权力博弈外的公正信用体系,以前这种信用体系只能用类似金属货币的稀缺性属性完成,而BSV给人类的公正信用提供了太多太多的可能性,金融领域、商业领域、政治领域都将有BSV的发展空间,只要人类的底层是希望公正的,那么BSV很可能成为人类第一个能够管住暴力和权力的笼子,人类的权力范式也可以通过这个体系由暴力逻辑转向诚实逻辑,毕竟从内心来讲,大多数人类肯定希望自己生活在一个诚实的世界中,而不是一个强权决定一切的世界中。
BSV is independent of the power game outside the impartiality of credit system, the credit system can only be used similar to the scarcity of metal currency attribute is complete, the BSV to human justice provides the possibility of too much credit, finance, business, politics will have BSV development space, as long as the underlying human is fair, hope the BSV is likely to be the first to hold cage of violence and power, the power of the human paradigm can also through the system logic to honest logic by violence, after all, in the heart most certainly want to live in a world of honest, Not in a world where power is everything.

曾健:
我问下比较不正式的问题,BSV一旦长期存在,BSV的大庄会怎样影响后面的局势
Let me ask you a more informal question. Once BSV has been in existence for a long time, how will the big village of BSV affect the future situation

hslayj:
BSV后面的所谓大庄应该是说CoinGeek吧,不管是从公正角度还是自身利益角度,CoinGeek的最优策略就是不断支持BSV的生态发展,以完成万币归一和万链归一的BSV生态愿景,毕竟BSV从出生起就没想着和谁和稀泥,万币归一和万链归一本来就是一个王者应有的姿态。
BSV behind of so-called dasso CoinGeek should be said, no matter from justice perspective and its own interests Angle, the optimal strategy is the continued support of the BSV CoinGeek ecological development, to complete all currency normalization and chain unto the BSV ecological vision, after all, the BSV from birth who didn’t want to muddle with thousands of COINS belong to one and all is a king should have originally owned by a chain.

hslayj:
说的太远可能没人愿意听,就说说BSV具体能干什么,车辆位置数据上链能根治拥堵,小微企业账本上链能完成P2P的底层信用积累,供应链上链能增加产品生产周期的流通效率,病例上链能解决病人和医生的信息不对称,选票上链能完成民主选举的公开性,个人数据上链能完成个人的无纸化数据接口,旅游区的贸易上链能彻底根除旅游区宰客现象,智能合约上链能完成合同本身的公正化信用,食品供应链上链能完成食品安全的全流程监控,金融的交易数据上链能完成金融体系的公共化监管,学生的数据上链能彻底使得学生不断的可以跟进自己的错误而完成终生的重点学习,这是我这些天总结的,我相信还有很多很多领域是我没接触到的,但是同样在上链后有和传统逻辑完全不一致的商业逻辑和用户逻辑,这也是万链归一后的BSV生态的初探秘境。
Said too far may no one willing to listen to, say what BSV specific capable, vehicle location data chain can effect a radical cure congestion, small micro enterprise books chain to finish P2P underlying credit accumulation, supply chain chain can increase the circulation efficiency of products manufactured, cases on chain can solve information asymmetry of patients and doctors, can finish the democratic election ballot chain of openness, personal data chain can finish the paperless data interface of the individual, the tourist trade chain can eradicate tourist area rip off phenomenon, intelligent contract contribute credit chain to complete the contract itself, on the food supply chain can complete the whole process of food safety monitoring, Financial transaction data chain can complete the public supervision of the financial system, students can completely make students continuously on the data of chain can follow up your own mistakes and to complete the focus of the lifelong learning, this is my summary of these days, I believe that there are many is I don’t have access to many areas, but also after the chain and traditional logic completely inconsistent business logic and user logic, which is after all chain unto a BSV ecological at the beginning of the road.

hslayj:
当数据规模和数据量还有数据维度足够多的时候,很多新生的商业模式会自动出现,这是传统互联网和所谓的行业链、联盟链都无法完成的,这一切的可能性都只能来自于万链归一。
When the data scale, data volume and data dimension are enough, a lot of new business models will automatically appear, which is impossible for the traditional Internet and the so-called industry chain, alliance chain to complete, all of these possibilities can only come from the chain.

曾健:
没错,这些有其他链一定做不出来的吗
That’s right. Are there any other chains that can’t be made

hslayj:
是的,其它链做不出来,因为即使做出来了,怎么让这个链成为行业标准、怎么和其它链的数据交互、怎么完成这个链的长期经济激励,这些都是问题,比如BSV做了一套车辆位置数据上链系统,中国的华为公司做了一套车辆位置数据上链系统,我们假如他们做的一样好,你觉得美国人和欧洲人敢用华为做的系统么,而这个系统如果要和当地的天王系统打通,我们真的要每个城市做一个接口么,还是说最好有一个天网BSV 系统直接和这个系统进行数据交换呢,这些可能性只有在万链归一时才有可能,行业链永远面临的难题就是,行业标准无法确立,行业推广难以开展,补贴消失后链枯萎。
Yes, other chain do not to come out, because even if to come, how to make the chain industry standard, how to interact with the data of other chain, how to complete the chain of economic incentives for a long time, these are the problems, such as BSV do a set of vehicle location data link system, China’s huawei company do a set of vehicle location data link system, we just as good if they do, what do you think of the americans and the europeans can do with huawei system, and this system if you want to and the local pop get through, do we really want to each city to do an interface? Or is it better to have a skynet BSV system directly and this system for data exchange, these possibilities are only possible in the return of the 10,000 chain, the industry chain will always face the problem is that the industry standard can not be established, industry promotion is difficult to carry out, subsidies disappear after the chain wither.

hslayj:
排除政治干扰,只要追求效率性和商业性,最好的区块链就是BSV,而如果要考虑政治因素,那么其实很多系统不用做成区块链,直接用局域网就好了。
Remove political interference, as long as the pursuit of efficiency and business, the best block chain is BSV, and if you want to consider the political factors, so many systems do not make block chain, direct use of LAN is good.

hslayj:
再比如,我去一个超市买奶粉,我可能既可以看这个奶粉的用户评价,又可以看奶粉的产业链生产过程,还可以看奶粉的品牌销量比较,还可以看奶粉的各类卫生证书,还可以看奶粉各个卖场的价格比较,这就牵扯到很多行业数据的交叉验证了,我们是希望在一个系统中看到这些,还是希望每个数据都要换不同系统呢?生产数据是单维度的,但是使用数据很多时候是维度越多越好,这也是为什么需要万链归一的原因。
Again, for instance, I went to a supermarket to buy milk powder, I can see is probably the user evaluation of milk powder, and can see the milk powder production process of industry chain, also can see the milk powder brand sales, also can see the powder of various types of health certificate, also can see the milk powder price comparison of all the stores, it is involved in many industry data of cross validation, we are hope to see these in a system, hope every data in different systems? The production data is of one dimension, but the use of data is often the more dimensions, the better, which is why we need a universal chain.

Conversation : 2020.3.27~3.31 #

任小重:
@hslayj怎么看待其他公链,比如ETH、EOS,这几天查了很多资料说图灵完备   到现在都不太懂
What does @hslayj think of other public chains, such as ETH and EOS? He has searched a lot of information these days and said that he still doesn’t understand Turing well

Stephen周:
@任小重 先看看图灵机,再看看比特币脚本操作码里的副栈,主栈副栈就像图灵机纸带的两端
First look at the Turing machine and then look at the sub-stack in the bitcoin script operation code. The sub-stack of the main stack is just like the ends of the paper tape of the Turing machine

任小重:
图灵完备是能够计算任何数字的能力,比特币的脚本具备这种能力,能够计算任何数字的能力?
Turing complete is the ability to compute any number, and the bitcoin script has that ability, the ability to compute any number?

Stephen周:
图灵完备的定义挺复杂,简单理解就是同构于图灵机,也就是:任何高级语言能计算的问题,比特币脚本都能计算
The definition of Turing completeness is complex and simple to understand as isomorphic to Turing, meaning that any problem that can be calculated in a high-level language can be calculated in a bitcoin script

严迪:
是的,用高级语言来说比较容易。C语言和Python都是图灵完备的编程语言,HTML,CSS,SQL就是典型的图灵不完备的编程语言。
Yes, it’s easier in a high-level language. Both C and Python are Turing complete programming languages. HTML, CSS and SQL are typical Turing incomplete programming languages.

hslayj:
首先,什么是区块链,区块链是通过公开账本这种方式,完成数据的多维度展示,最后完成诚实的积累,那么什么东西能够完成数据的积累,那就是数据库,所以区块链的本质是数据库,不是图灵机,不是计算机,图灵是否完备根本不重要,所以ETH开始抛出来的概念就不重要,虽然BSV图灵完备,但是我根本不觉得这个事情很重要,因为只要保证数据是诚实完整的,你可以自己拿下来算合约。区块链的底层逻辑是诚实,诚实来源于数据维度的多样性和可比对性,拿个专业术语来蒙人,是很多项目自我包装的形式而已。
First of all, what is the chain block, block chain is through an open book this way, the complete data multi-dimensional display, finally complete the accumulation of honesty, so what can complete the accumulation of data, the database, so the essence of chain block is the database, not Turing machine, not the computer, Turing completeness are not important, so the ETH began to throw out the concept of not important, although the BSV turing-complete, but I don’t think this thing is very important, because as long as to ensure the integrity data are honest, you can get own contract. The underlying logic of blockchain is honesty, which comes from the diversity and comparability of data dimensions. To confuse people with a technical term, it is just the form of self-packaging of many projects.

hslayj:
ETH整天是串联算力完成合约,老奶奶的裹脚布和国家的高级文件在他们的系统里面都得在CPU列表中排队,是一种蠢的不能再蠢的区块链架构,也就蒙蒙外行罢了,这都什么年代了,还在用串联电路思维来玩合约,它能不堵么,最后根本就跑不了大应用。
ETH series is force to complete the contract, all day granny verbosity and national senior files in their system had to be in the list of CPU queue, stupid is a stupid can’t block chain architecture, also receive dilettante, this all what age, playing contracts still think in series circuit, it can not block, finally simply won’t run large applications.

比特币张摩西:
我认为图灵完备是很重要的,图灵完备的脚本,才可能是实现任何想实现的东西,比如说写个操作系统啥的,像core 党、禁用操作符,导致BTC只能做有限的事情
I think turing-complete is very important. Turing-complete scripts can be used to implement anything you want, such as writing an operating system, core-blocking, disabling operators, so that BTC can only do a limited number of things

hslayj:
细说下来肯定有点用,但是对专业外人士用处不大,和信用比起来,这属于技术的细枝末节,根本没必要拿出来讨论,我是这个意思。
It’s certainly useful, but it’s not very useful to people outside of the profession. Compared to credit, it’s a technical detail that doesn’t need to be discussed at all. That’s what I mean.

比特币张摩西:
大区块加图灵完备才有足够的想象力,两者缺一不可,很多限制其实很直接,比如人和猩猩的脑容量差别很大,小区块比如BTC,哪怕给他图灵完备,也没什么鸟用。
The big block plus Turing complete to have enough imagination, both can not be missing, a lot of restrictions are actually very direct, for example, the brain size of people and chimpanzees are very different, small block such as BTC, even give him Turing complete, there is no bird use.

hslayj:
即使图灵不完备,只要有数据或者脚本,可以链下计算,目前还没看到链上矿机计算比链下服务商计算有什么更多的优越性,以后可能会有些场景需要,但是我觉得这个属于方案的可选择性,不是区块链的必须逻辑。
Even if Turing is not complete, as long as there is data or script, it can be calculated under the chain. At present, I have not seen any advantages of mining machine calculation on the chain compared with the calculation of service providers under the chain. In the future, some scenarios may be required.

hslayj:
ETH说它图灵完备是优势,BTC CORE说树莓派节点是优势,其它山寨币说自己去中心化是优势,还有币圈盛行的代码就是法律逻辑,本质都是把系统的众多细节中的一个细节断章取义后扩大成系统的全部,然后用专业名词镇住不懂的外行,任由它们摆布和割韭菜,就好像要饭的眼里,皇帝就是一个端着金饭碗要饭的人一样。
ETH said it is advantage turing-complete, BTC CORE said raspberries pie node is advantage, other counterfeit currency decentralization is an advantage, and currency prevailing code is legal logic, the essence is one of the many details of the system all details after taken out of context to expand into the system, and then use specialized terms, do not understand the lay of god let their mercy and cut chives, and like a beggar’s eyes, the emperor is a carried live on begging.

比特币张摩西:
邱少的《重返创世纪》https://metanet.press第8章8.1.2. 比特币的图灵完备性
return to genesis https://metanet.press chapter 8 8.1.2. The Turing completeness of bitcoin

hslayj:
我不是不懂图灵完备,而是你要把图灵完备考虑进去作系统,很多东西就会很复杂,你把BSV理解成数据库作系统很简单,因为只要把传统软件的数据库放上去,其它功能基本都是一致的,然后在数据库上想办法进行数据的各方面打通,这样更容易形成数据系统的多维度的打通,一定要把除数据库以外的功能放到链上完成不是不可以,而是这样做到底值不值得,项目方可以选择自己提供服务器来运算,仅仅把关键数据上传网络就可以了,一旦涉及到链上计算问题,就有链上成本问题,链上成本又和生态挂钩,目前的链上生态能支持多少好的应用并发呢,能不能支撑链上运算的好处,这是一个项目的经济平衡问题,所以我才说图灵完备其实没有想象那么重要,有它更好锦上添花,没它也可以做项目。
Not that I don’t understand turing-complete, but you take turing-complete system into account, a lot of things will be very complicated, you put the BSV understanding into a database system is very simple, as long as the database on the traditional software, other functions are basically consistent, then on the database to find a way to get through carries on the data of various aspects, it is easier to form multi-dimensional data systems get through, be sure to finish the function other than the database on the chain is not not ok, but doing so is worth, project their own server can be selected for operation, only the key data upload network is ok, Calculation problem when it comes to the chain, there is a chain of cost, cost and ecological link in the chain of, how many good application ecosystem can support the current chain of concurrent, can support the advantages of chain operation, it is a project of economic balance problem, so I just said turing-complete in fact did not imagine so important, it better the icing on the cake, not can also do it projects.

Stephen周:
hslayj说的“不重要”的意思是:因为用栈语言实现图灵完备是一件很简单的事情,所以无需在这一点上拿比特币跟以太坊作比较
What hslayj means by “unimportant” is that there is no need to compare bitcoins to ethereum at this point, since it is so easy to implement Turing completeness in the stack language

Stephen周:
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hslayj:
http://recreating.org/bsv

hslayj:
隆重推荐何岩的著作《重新创造比特币》,这本书是CSW亲自认可推荐的BSV科普读物,可以帮助大家了解很多BSV很多的底层逻辑
He yan’s book “recreating bitcoin” is highly recommended. This book is the popular science reading of BSV approved by CSW, which can help you understand the underlying logic of a lot of BSV

何岩:
多谢 罗兄🙏
Thank you

hslayj:
事实也证明了只有BSV才有挖不完的素材,挖完了技术路线可以挖矿工生态产业的升级和迭代,挖完了基础设施逻辑可以挖链上应用场景的拓展和落地,挖完了软件建设层面的可能性还可以挖对整个人类秩序的反向重构,这才是区块链本来就应该有的样子,而不是像BTC那样拿出一套代码,就放在那里等涨价,人类的未来属于积极的建设者,而不是坐享其成的投机者。

hslayj:
现在是BSV上古纪元的众神并起的阶段~~
Fact is also proved that only the BSV have dug up the material, dig out technical route can dig miners ecology industry upgrade and iteration, application logic can dig out infrastructure chain scenario development and fall to the ground, digging out the possibility of software construction level can also dig to reverse remodeling of the entire human order, this is the block chain was always supposed to look like, rather like BTC took out a set of code, just in there waiting for the price, the future of humanity belongs to positive builder, rather than being speculators.

清风徐来:
@何岩 英文版可以在美国亚马逊买的到吗
Is the English version available on amazon in the United States

何岩:
@清风徐来 英文版在非中国的亚马逊能买到 例如美国 日本 英国 加拿大的亚马逊,搜索recreating bitcoin
English version in the amazon can buy in China such as the United States Japan Britain Canada amazon, search recreating bitcoins

比特币张摩西:
BSV社区人才济济,没听过说哪个信仰BSV的最后叛变了,反倒是很多原先支持bch,btc的人,叛变了不少。
The BSV community is full of talented people. I have never heard of any faith of BSV finally defecting, but many people who supported BCH and BTC have defected.

任小重:
我就是一个
I am one

比特币张摩西:
像你这样的人会越来越多的
There will be more and more people like you

hslayj:
可以骗一个人很长时间,也可以骗所有人一段时间,但是无法永远去欺骗所有人,真理总是越辩越明的,凭借谎言维持的骗局总有坍塌的那一天,币圈的谎言太多太多了,很多的阳光少年也被这种环境逼成了猥琐怪叔叔,BSV社区只要保持平常心、努力成长,保证自己的逻辑是诚实自洽和充分辩证、经过充分理性辩论的,风来的那天,自然会有万佛朝拜的时候。
Can cheat a person for a long time, also can cheat all the people for a period of time, but you can’t always to deceive all the people, the truth is always the debate the Ming, with lies to maintain scam there is always a collapse of that day of, the currency circle lies too much too much, a lot of sunshine teenager also is pushed this environment become trivial blame uncle, BSV community as long as keep the common heart, efforts to grow, and ensure its own self-consistent and full dialectical logic honesty, been fully rational debate, on the day of the wind to, there will be thousands of Buddha nature worship.

aaron67:
赚钱是自己的能力 不是因为币让你赚钱了 是因为你的选择 ,没有币 你照样可以用其他技能赚钱 是自己能力的变现
The ability to make money is not because money makes you money because of your choice, no money you can still use other skills to make money is the realization of their ability

hslayj:
币圈的逻辑是骗炮逻辑,只谈恋爱不结婚,等着庄家拉盘割韭菜;BSV的逻辑是忠诚逻辑,不仅谈恋爱还要结婚生孩子,还要把孩子养育成人,因为BSV是生态,需要建设,没有建设的生态就是一片沙漠,而其它币已经是沙漠了,除了骗炮是没办法做建设的。
Coin circle logic is to cheat the gun logic, only fall in love do not get married, waiting for the house pull dish cut leek; The logic of BSV is the logic of loyalty. Not only do we have to get married and have children in love, but we also have to raise the children as adults. Because BSV is an ecology and needs to be built.

清风徐来:
@hslayj 每次看您的发言都是一种享受,学习,不管什么样的问题您都真诚自洽,充分辩证的回答,真的发自内心感谢BSV社区有这么棒的布道者,我们这些后辈在这么好的学习氛围当中,不努力学习成长都不好意思,努力学习等风来[玫瑰][玫瑰][玫瑰][拥抱][拥抱][拥抱]
@ hslayj every time see your speech is a kind of enjoyment, learning, no matter what kind of questions you are sincere self consistent, dialectical fully the answer, really thank you from the heart BSV community has the great preacher, the next in the midst of such a good learning atmosphere, don’t study hard grow all embarrassed, study hard, such as the wind to [rose] [rose] [rose] [hug] [hug] [hug]

hslayj:
@清风徐来 也多谢你组织了这个群,每个人都贡献自己力所能及的力量,BSV社区就是这么蒸蒸日上的
Thank you for organizing this group. Everyone contributes what they can. The BSV community is thriving

清风徐来:
共同学习[咖啡][玫瑰]一起进步

①博士的博客www.craigwright.net
②重返创世纪https://metanet.press
③aaron67的blog:https://aaron67.cc
④公众号:BSVofficial
⑤公众号:邱少闲聊Metanet
Learn together [coffee][rose] progress together

The doctor’s blog at www.craigwright.net
Ii return to genesis https://metanet.press
Aaron67 blog: https://aaron67.cc
Official :BSVofficial
Wechat Public number: 邱少闲聊Metanet

何岩:
各位大佬好,重新创造比特币的最新中文版都放到recreating.org/bsv上了,方便大家阅读。另外我在首页recreating.org/index发起了“重新创造运动”(Recreating Movement)欢迎加入一起Recreating Someting…[悠闲]
Good bosses, to create the latest Chinese version of the currency on recreating.org/bsv, facilitate everybody to read. And I on the front page recreating.org/index launched “to create Movement” (Recreating the Movement) welcome to join together Recreating Someting… [ease]

何岩:
http://recreating.org/bsv

任小重:
有些地方还是看的一知半解,例如函数等价?
There are some places where you still see a little bit of a solution, like function equivalence, right?

何岩:
@任小重 很多地方我都是靠直觉写的 ,写的比较浪 不一定“正确”,我也不追求“正确”
I write a lot of things intuitively, not necessarily “right”, and I don’t pursue “right”.

任小重:
世界通用计算机,谁能讲讲这个概念是什么,还有图灵停机,这些都不太懂
The universal computer, who can say what the concept is, and the Turing outage, which is not very well understood

不写代码的架构师:
世界通用计算机其实不准确,我觉得应该叫世界通用数据库
The universal computer is actually not accurate. I think it should be called the universal database

何岩:
我的理解很简单,就是如果脚本可以定义出数字和加法,就能组合构建出所有计算,图灵停机这个概念我没学习,我猜是脚本的长度有限,计算就有限。这些都是直觉上的简单解释。
世界通用计算机,是一种理想的可能性,如果不计成本,全世界只用bitcoin的矿机的计算能力,不搞二层计算
My understanding is very simple, if the script can define the Numbers and the addition, it can combine to build all the calculations. I didn’t learn the concept of Turing downtime, I guess the script is limited in length, so the calculation is limited. These are intuitively simple explanations.
The universal computer is an ideal possibility, if the cost is not taken into account, the whole world only USES bitcoin-based mining machine computing power, not the two-layer computing

状态就放到交易里 二层网络不保存状态,我直觉上的理解,不知道真实是否可行
The state goes into the transaction and the second layer of the network doesn’t save the state, and I don’t know if that’s true or not, based on my intuition

所有spv都是无状态,状态都从交易里去读取,包括算法和数据,就好比“体细胞”体细胞的不同表象逻辑都来自唯一账本(DNA)
All SPVS are stateless, and the states are read from the transaction, including algorithms and data, just like the “somatic cells”, the different representation logic of the somatic cells comes from the unique ledger (DNA).

不写代码的架构师:
交易里存状态牛啊,以太坊引以为傲的事情,太经典了
There’s a lot of state in the deal. Ethereum is proud of it. It’s a classic

何岩:
把整个比特币,看成一个生物,矿机代表生殖细胞,spv代表体细胞,账本代表基因,细胞可以随时将算法和数据写入基因,同时细胞的表象要读取基因里的算法和数据。这块在第十二章有提到,比较直觉的比喻,这就是我说的那种比较浪的写法[流汗]
Think of the whole bitcoin as a living thing, where the mining machine represents the germ cell, the SPV represents the body cell, and the ledger represents the gene. The cell can write the algorithm and data into the gene at any time, while the representation of the cell reads the algorithm and data in the gene. This is mentioned in canto xii, the more intuitive metaphor, this is what I call the more wavy way of writing [sweat].

比特币张摩西:
我很早也有过区块链基因论,但是和你认为的不一样,@hslayj 罗老哥怎么看区块链基因论?
I’ve had a blockchain gene theory for a long time, but it’s not what you think. What does @hslayj luo think about blockchain gene theory?

不写代码的架构师:
感谢何老师传道授业解惑,小小打赏,不成敬意[害羞][害羞],我明白律师为什么梭哈bsv了,这哥们就是学DNA的,果然上帝的创造最牛逼,区块链就是DNA的仿生学啊
Thanks to teacher he for his teaching, small reward, no respect [shy] [shy], I understand why lawyers soha BSV, this brother is to learn DNA, as expected god’s creation is the most awesome, block chain is the bionics of DNA ah

任小重:
生命是最复杂的结构
Life is the most complex structure

比特币张摩西:
毕竟我们对基因的认识太有限,需要专业人士传道授业
After all, our understanding of genes is so limited that we need professionals to teach us

何岩:
我猜想 ,猜想而已,没准整个宇宙都是全息性的,“分型”,任意小的单元上都可以发现全宇宙的信息,也就是像DNA的设计,每个细胞拥有整体的全部信息,那么每个原子也拥有宇宙的全部信息,原子里也有一种我们看不见的宇宙唯一账本,全宇宙实时同步。以上纯属胡乱猜想
I guess, guess, maybe the whole universe are holographic, “points”, any small units can be found that all the information of the universe, which is like the design of DNA, every cell has all the information of the whole, then each atom also has all the information of the universe, in the atomic there is also a universe is the only book we can’t see, the universe real-time synchronization. These are wild guesses

比特币张摩西:
没准是真的呢,现在的BSV还处于单细胞时代
It may be true that BSV is still in the single-cell era

何岩:
嗯呢 量子态 虽然我现在也没理解量子
Well, quantum states even though I don’t understand quantum right now

比特币张摩西:
进化的空间很大,刘律师方便从专业角度讲讲基因和区块链的类似关系吗
There is a lot of room for evolution. Is it convenient for lawyer liu to talk about the similar relationship between genes and blockchain from a professional perspective

刘晔律师:
如果基因不可篡改地记录了人体生命信息,比特币区块链就将不可篡改地记录人类社会行为信息
If genes can’t be tampered with to record human life, the bitcoin blockchain can’t be tampered with to record human social behavior

任小重:
这个比喻很生动形象啊
That’s a vivid metaphor

比特币张摩西:
想问一下,比特币的脚本是图灵完备的,我认为基因里面也有图灵完备的脚本,只不过现在人类还没不知道
I would like to ask, the script of bitcoin is Turing complete, I think there is Turing complete script in the gene, but now humans do not know

何岩:
我理解人脑和身体机能本身是图灵完备的,基因只是存数据的账本。计算能力不在基因上,计算能力是大脑和身体器官
I understand that the brain and the body are Turing complete in their own right, and that genes are just a ledger of data. It’s not in the genes. It’s in the brain and the body

比特币张摩西:
氨基酸的种类,肽链的折叠方式都都是有这些脚本控制的,正是因为这些功能,才能进化出人类这种智慧生物。反之,一开始于人类的祖先处于同一时期的竞争物种,由于环境产生分叉,导致某些操作符被限制或者丢失,导致他们在进化路上失败,没有了任何存在的痕迹
The types of amino acids and the way the peptide chains fold are all controlled by these scripts, and it is because of these functions that the intelligent creatures like human beings have evolved. On the other hand, competing species that started with our ancestors at the same time, bifurcated due to the environment, causing certain operators to be limited or lost, causing them to fail on the evolutionary path without any trace of existence

hslayj:
BSV区块链生态有三层结构,硬件矿工层生态、Metanet软件应用层生态、现实世界的区块链认知生态,每层生态都是可以循环演进,不断进化的,这也保证了BSV在硬件上可持续,在软件上无限可能,并具备反向影响真实世界的能力。所以把区块链理解成生命体或者生态体系都是可以的,这也是为什么这套结构不能随便改,不能像普通软件那样根据外部需求快速迭代,你不可能靠砍掉一个人的胳膊来试试看还能给他增加什么可能性,这也是为什么其它链都注定是残疾的原因,在方案设计落地的那一刻起,比特币区块链就如同一个婴儿落地般来到了这个世界,我们要像对待一个生命一样对待他,给他时间成长和创造各种可能性,我们不能把它当机器那样对待,今天砍胳膊明天砍腿,因为这么折腾几下,区块链就死了,这也是为什么白皮书那么重要,稳定协议那么重要的原因。
The ecology of BSV block chain has three layers: the ecology of the hardware miner layer, the ecology of the Metanet software application layer, and the cognitive ecology of the block chain in the real world. The ecology of each layer can evolve in a cycle, which also guarantees the sustainability of BSV in hardware, infinite possibilities in software, and the ability to reverse the influence of the real world. So to block chain understanding into living organisms, or ecological system can be, and that is why this structure can’t literally change, not like ordinary software according to the external demand rapid iteration, you can’t cut a man’s arm to see what else to give him increase possibility, that is why all the other chain is doomed to be the cause of the disabled, in the design of the moment, the currency block chain just like a baby be born came into this world, we need to treat him like a life, to give him time to grow and create possibilities, we can’t treat it as machine, cutting arm cut leg tomorrow today, Because after a few twists and turns, the blockchain is dead, which is why the white paper is so important, and the stability protocol so important.

刘晔律师:
基因本身并不能独立完成生命的图灵完备功能,它需要外面的蛋白酶、核酸酶等辅助才能完成基因的转录、复制与组装,进而实现生命之图灵完备。比特币脚本的图灵完备也一样,需要二层如oracle等共同作用,才能实现脚本的图灵完备,从而实现万物上链,万链归一。
The gene itself cannot complete the Turing complete function of life independently, it needs the outside protease, nuclease and other assistance to complete the gene transcription, replication and assembly, and then realize the Turing complete life. The Turing completeness of the bitcoin script is the same as that of the script. It requires two layers such as oracle to work together to realize the Turing completeness of the script, so as to realize the chain of everything and the chain of all.

Stephen周:
人脑比图灵机还要高级一层,人脑能解决图灵停机问题
The human brain is one level higher than the Turing machine and can solve the Turing shutdown problem

比特币张摩西:
关于基因,有一本书中提到过,最开始的生物物质丝状物是RNA,然后才有蛋白质,然后才有DNA,RNA结构不稳定,所以最后DNA作为载体一代代传下来
There’s a book about genes, and the first biological filaments are RNA, and then proteins, and then DNA, and RNA is structurally unstable, so eventually DNA is passed down from generation to generation as a carrier

刘晔律师:
新冠病毒就是只有RNA的病毒
A novel coronavirus is avirus that has only RNA

荣哥理财师:
先有btc然后bch,最后bsv,btc载体太小,bch不稳定,所以最后bsv传下来了
BTC, then BCH, then BSV, BTC carrier is too small, BCH is unstable, so finally BSV is handed down

比特币张摩西:
现在的人工智能不能叫人工智能,BSV说不定也有一天会进化的有自主意识
Today’s ai can’t be called ai, and BSV may one day evolve to be autonomous

任小重:
这个怎么理解,进化 自主意识
How do we understand this? Evolutionary autonomy

Stephen周:
layer 1也是图灵完备,只不过比较贵
Layer 1 is also Turing complete, but more expensive

比特币张摩西:
外面的蛋白酶也是基因定义出来的
The outer protease is also genetically defined

刘晔律师:
@比特币张摩西 不是。这是鸡生蛋,蛋生鸡的问题,生命非常复杂,人类所知万一
It’s a chicken-and-egg problem. Life is very complicated

hslayj:
自主意识还是比较困难的,自主意识不仅要靠内部数据积累完成的算法升级,最主要依靠的是外部淘汰机制对非自主意识体的大量淘汰,人工智能目前来看不具备进化自主意识的外部条件,很多电影小说把人工智能浪漫化了,可见的很长一段时间里面,只要人类存在,人工智能就不会有自主意识。
Autonomous consciousness or difficult, autonomous consciousness not only depends on the accumulation of internal data complete algorithm, the main rely on external selection mechanism of independent consciousness out of artificial intelligence for now does not have the external conditions that evolution of autonomous consciousness, many movie novel the romance of artificial intelligence, is a long time, as long as the human existence, there would be no independent consciousness artificial intelligence.

hslayj:
 国际金融协会(IIF)去年就说全球债务总额突破250万亿美金了,今年新冠一来美元无限量化宽松,这个数字随随便便就会再往上蹿一大截,按照4%的平均利息来算,一年就是10万亿美金的利息支出,这比全球GDP的10%还要多,目前多少企业的净利率能超过10%的或者说市盈率低于10的,法币黑洞已经形成了,不管多少的实际增长都是在往这个体系里面砸钱,而要降息甚至负利率来缓解债务利息成本,那么谁还愿意借债,可能除了印钞机掌控者央行外,没人愿意往外借钱,债务挤兑是大概率事件,当央行开足马力接管了全球债务的时候,洪水般的货币增量会冲垮央行的信用体系,这就是现在的经济局势,世界经济已经是被永续债务逻辑拖入病入膏肓的病人,还遇到了新冠这种劫难,这个体系每再多持续一天,人类就在这个泥沼中无法前进,甚至越陷越深,当年轻人成长起来后,真的愿意为老一辈吃的霸王餐买单么,另起炉灶是必须的,这就是BSV的历史使命,金融体系的逻辑不换天,人类就永远走不出这个越陷越深的债务沼泽。
Institute of international finance (IIF) said the global debt breakthrough 250 trillion dollars last year, this year the new crown $infinite quantitative easing (qe), the digital casually will go back to move up, calculate, according to an average of 4% interest is the interest payments of $10 trillion a year, more than 10% of global GDP, this is how businesses can net interest rate of more than 10% of the or p/e ratio of less than 10, fiat has been formed in the black hole, no matter how many actual growth are throwing money in to the system, and to cut interest rates even negative interest rates to ease debt interest cost, so who are willing to borrow, May in addition to the printing press dominates the central bank, no one wants to borrow money, debt run is a big probability event, when central Banks all over the global debt, a flood of currency incremental broke through its central bank’s credit system, which is the current economic situation, the world economy has been sustainable debt logic into a terminally ill patient, also met a new crown this fate, this system every day more, human beings cannot advance in the swamp, even deeper, when young people grow up, really willing to pay for the older generation of overlord meal to eat, the stove is a must, this is the historical mission of BSV, The logic of the financial system does not change, the human race will never get out of this deepening debt swamp.

任小重:
法币具有膨胀性,不膨胀解决不了经济问题
Fiat currency has expansibility, without expansion can not solve economic problems

不写代码的架构师:
那是央行忽悠你的,为他们的持续印钱找一个理论支持
That’s what central Banks do, looking for a theory to support their continued printing of money

hslayj:
凯恩斯主义最大的问题就是把政府放到了经济参与者之外,作为一种财政聚敛手段,央行的法币体系调控逻辑无疑是成功的,但是作为底层的社会经济运行逻辑,这就会出现大问题,永续通胀会使得货币的储值属性消失,催生永续债务逻辑和各种不必要的对抗通胀类投资,目前的很多债务从借款的第一天起就没打算还。永续债务规模超出了经济发展的平均速率后,这个体系就会自然崩溃,美国现在就是前车之鉴,泱泱全球第一经济、政治、军事大国,现在成了一个整天赖账、占小便宜的混混,这个教训已经够深刻了。
Keynesian’s biggest problem is putting the government in economic participants, as a kind of fiscal convergent method, the central bank’s legal tender system control logic is undoubtedly successful, but as the underlying social and economic operation of the logic, it would be a big problem, sustainable inflation makes money stored value attribute disappear, creating a sustainable debt logic and all unnecessary fight inflation investments, at present a lot of debt since the first day of the borrowing didn’t intend to return. When the scale of sustainable debt exceeds the average rate of economic development, the system will naturally collapse. The lesson is profound enough that the United States, the largest economic, political and military power in the world, is now a deadbeat and a miser.

不写代码的架构师:
看完了罗老师的语录,感觉醍醐灌顶
read the teacher’s sayings, feel inspired

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hslayj:
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不管任何行业,区块链项目只有真正上了BSV并赢得BSV生态位竞争后才能成为世界标准,否则不管做的再好最多也只能是鱼塘霸主,期待看到BSV生态的各种业态大爆发
No matter in any industry, the blockchain project can only become the world standard after it has truly entered the BSV and won the BSV niche competition. Otherwise, no matter how good it is, it can only be the overlord of the fish pond. We are looking forward to seeing the explosion of various forms of BSV ecology

不写代码的架构师:
bsv跟体育如何结合呢,想象不太出来😁
How to combine to sports BSV, imagine not too 😁

hslayj:
裁判资格和裁判报告的管理与公示,体育彩票链上发行,体育门票token化,兴奋剂药监流程的标准化和公示,体育荣誉的永久链上存证,体育赛事的申请和批准流程公示,只要想做,细节还是很多的。
The management and publicity of referee qualification and referee report, the issuance of sports lottery chain, the token of sports tickets, the standardization and publicity of doping control process, the permanent chain of sports honor, the application and approval process of sports events, as long as you want to do, there are still a lot of details.

不写代码的架构师:
👍👍👍感慨罗老师到底做过多少信息化项目
Feeling luo teacher in the end has done how many information projects

hslayj:
过奖了,术业有专攻吧,这些属于我的专业方向,见到的和经手的项目都不少,触类旁通并不难。
I’m flattered that the skill industry has specialized, these belong to my professional direction, see and handle a lot of projects, analogy is not difficult.

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任小重:
华为会被美帝狠狠打击的今年,芯片这块
Huawei will be hit hard by the United States this year, chip this

曹远铖:
不一直都在狠狠打击吗..
Don’t you blow it all the time..

任小重:
之前还没有往死里打,豁免了几个月,要是往死里打击华为  估计华为很难的,毕竟华为没有制造芯片的能力  只有设计的能力,射频芯片这块又严重依赖美国
It has not been done before, and it has been exempted for a few months. It will be hard for huawei to be hit hard. After all, huawei does not have the ability to make chips, only the ability to design them

hslayj:
华为的这套新IP体系,应该是由国家工信部推动的,华为是典型的实用主义企业文化,不鼓励过度盲目创新,这套体系应该是防止美中两国彻底对立后,美国从域名根服务器领域等底层基础设施上对中国断供,导致中国的互联网瘫痪,至于取代互联网这个事情,估计他们自己也没这么打算。
Huawei new IP system, should be driven by national ministry of industry, huawei is typical of pragmatism, corporate culture does not encourage excessive blind innovation, the system should be to prevent the two countries completely opposite, after the United States from the underlying infrastructure such as domain name root servers on foreclosures for China, in China’s Internet paralysis, as to replace the Internet, didn’t so intend to estimate their own.

hslayj:
中国本来就有个网络长城,和国际互联网是隔开的,现在如果技术成熟,底层换上一套新发动机,从国家安全角度上来讲是很划算的,而且普通人的感知也会比较平滑,以后对美国有不信任的国家或者政治上挺中国的国家,慢慢的就有了新的基于政治安全性的网络基础需求,如果按照这个逻辑,以后就有美国互联网和中国互联网之分了,这就是基于政治为先的国际形式对技术路线发展的反向影响,而如果从人类命运共同体的更高维角度考虑,这样的博弈无疑如同囚徒困境那样,是双输的,信息的互不往来会更加加深彼此的猜疑链和文化隔膜,这就是没有BSV参与的国际网络博弈的未来吧。
China already has a network of the Great Wall, and the Internet are separated, if now mature technology, the underlying change into a new engine, from the point of view of national security, it is cost-effective, but also ordinary people’s perception will be smooth, after the mistrust of the United States has a national or is China’s national political, slowly, there will be a new based on the network of political security requirements, if according to this logic, there is the United States after the Internet and the points of the Chinese Internet, which is based on political first international form reverse effects to the development of technical route, and if from human destiny community higher point of view, Such a game is no doubt like the prisoner’s dilemma. It is a lose-lose game, and the lack of exchange of information will deepen the chain of suspicion and cultural barriers between each other. This is the future of the international network game without BSV.

比特币协会BSV:
美国数字资产交易所Bittrex即将上架BSV-EUR交易对,这意味着BSV对欧元法币的交易市场即将大幅上升。
The imminent launch of the bsv-eur trading pair on Bittrex, a us digital asset exchange, means the market for BSV trading against euro fiat currencies is set to rise sharply.

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比特币经济学 : 首页
比特币经济学 1 : 开讲
比特币经济学 2 : 法律
比特币经济学 3 : CSW
比特币经济学 4 : 法币崩溃
比特币经济学 5 : 核心概念定调
比特币经济学 6 : 经济危机 HOT !!!
比特币经济学 7 : 路径 HOT !!!
比特币经济学 8 : 万链归一
比特币经济学 9 : 产业区块链
比特币经济学 10 : 去中心化
比特币经济学 11 : 代际剥削
比特币经济学 12 : 族群矛盾
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